View Full Version : Turbocharging a 4020
RustyBolts
01-09-2012, 10:24 PM
Here within the next couple weeks or so I'll be making a trip up to Anderson Tractor to buy the turbo manifolds I'll need to 'charge the 4020.
Already got the turbo, here's a pic
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I'm gonna do this one a little differently than most others I've seen. Most either use an M&W kit, or rob the manifolds from a 4320.
With the number of 4320 Manifolds becoming more and more scarce as time goes on, and M&W kits go for a premium, I'll be using the manifolds from a 4430.
The reason for this is three-fold.
Firstly, as previously stated, the 4430 manifolds are much more common, and more affordable than 4320, or M&W manifolds.
Secondly, the forward location of the 4320 exhaust manifold causes the elbow to exit just slightly under the forward edge of the muffler opening in the hood. I don't want to hack up the hood, and I think the more central location of the 4430 exhaust manifold will help alleviate this problem.
Lastly, with the centralized turbo mount I feel as though the flow in and out of the engine will be more balanced than the forward mount of earlier designs.
This is somewhat unchatred territory when it comes to turbocharging a 4010/4020, so I'll do my best to document it all on here.
Updates to come. . .
DISTURBED
01-09-2012, 10:29 PM
I used a 4430 manifold when i turboed my 4010. 15 years ago.
RustyBolts
01-09-2012, 10:58 PM
If you don't mind me asking, how did it work out for you as far as fit and finish goes?
DISTURBED
01-09-2012, 11:03 PM
Had to put a lump on the hood to fit the charger under it
Jim Fulmer
01-09-2012, 11:17 PM
Intercooler Jeremy or not.....cut my teeth on a 4020, traded it in 79' and got like $6500 for it.
Jim
DISTURBED
01-09-2012, 11:21 PM
no it wasnt intercooled. It was a hotstock puller. Made around a whopping 300 hp
Jim Fulmer
01-09-2012, 11:46 PM
That's pretty good, it's rated at 90....1978 was the first pull I went to, the next day I was in the field plowing and doing puller take offs with a chisel in the ground.......13 year old stuff :)
Jim
cumminspuller
01-10-2012, 07:51 AM
That's pretty good, it's rated at 90....1978 was the first pull I went to, the next day I was in the field plowing and doing puller take offs with a chisel in the ground.......13 year old stuff :)
Jim
Nice to know I'm not the only one who did that when we were younger! LOL
RustyBolts
01-10-2012, 09:55 AM
no it wasnt intercooled. It was a hotstock puller. Made around a whopping 300 hp
What size of turbo were you using back then? Was it the TO4 AiResearch like what Deere used, or something bigger like a 3LM Schweitzer?
DISTURBED
01-10-2012, 10:49 AM
3LM after I blew my M&W up. 3LM wouldn't fit under the hood
4x4dually
01-10-2012, 10:54 AM
Sweet. I got a '68 4020. That would be so cool. :D
RustyBolts
01-10-2012, 10:58 AM
Ok, that makes sense now. Back in the late 70's-early 80's dad had a 4010 he pulled that he ran a 3LM and 4320 manifolds on, and he says that the turbo barely fit under the hood there, and burned the paint off(!). With how the hood tapers, it would make sense that with the turbo being farther back with 4430 exhaust the hood would need bulged out.
Did you strip the hydraulics off your tractor, or leave them intact?
4x4dually
01-10-2012, 11:02 AM
What year is your tractor, RustyBolts? If you decide to strip off any hydraulics....I'd be glad to have another set of connections on the back. :D
RustyBolts
01-10-2012, 11:07 AM
Mines a '65. I'm not wanting to strip the hydraulics off mine, I was just wondering about the clearance between the turbo, and remote control valves. The 4010's and early 4020's had dash mounted rockshaft and scv controls, and the valves were mounted under-hood. The late 4020's (aka Side Console) had the control valve and coupler as one unit.
Jim Fulmer
01-10-2012, 11:48 AM
Sweet. I got a '68 4020. That would be so cool. :D
That's what ours was a 68' How about that special reverse not listed, you know the one in the 4th/7th side then all the way past the stop, always wondered why they didn't label it.
Jim
Jim Fulmer
01-10-2012, 11:57 AM
Nice to know I'm not the only one who did that when we were younger! LOL
When I was 10 I rode the fender a whole summer learning from my granddad and watching his every move (whole new meaning to raw a$$ from the fender) the next summer I did the same for about a month with me plowing the straight ways and him doing the corners till he refused and made me take the corners, then one day he said stop up here and I did, he jumped off and said, go and see ya later and off I went at 11.......sure miss that old guy, great person and role model.
Jim
DieselAddict1on
01-10-2012, 12:33 PM
I have a 68 and want to do this in the future. Keep us posted on the project.
4x4dually
01-10-2012, 12:35 PM
How about that special reverse not listed, you know the one in the 4th/7th side then all the way past the stop, always wondered why they didn't label it.
Jim
Going home to try this. :D
When I was 10 I rode the fender a whole summer learning from my granddad and watching his every move (whole new meaning to raw a$$ from the fender) the next summer I did the same for about a month with me plowing the straight ways and him doing the corners till he refused and made me take the corners, then one day he said stop up here and I did, he jumped off and said, go and see ya later and off I went at 11.......sure miss that old guy, great person and role model.
Jim
I think you have taken this story from my diary. LOL Wow. I miss his old 4020 Wheatland Edition. I tried to find it and buy it back. No luck. I miss the old man too. I don't miss the bare ass on the fender though. And every now and again, a slap in the head by the unbrella sticks.
RustyBolts
01-10-2012, 01:15 PM
That's what ours was a 68' How about that special reverse not listed, you know the one in the 4th/7th side then all the way past the stop, always wondered why they didn't label it.
Jim
My 4020's a Power Shift, but dad's 4520 is a synchro range. Once the Synchro Ranges get a little wear in the shift quadrant, it's real easy to slip em on down into 7R. 4010's actually had it, but 4020 and newer, technically no as it was deemed unsafe to cruise backward at 12 MPH :badidea: Howsumever, I'd be lying if I said I've never used it :evil
As far as I know though, a 4010 quadrant will swap right over to a later tractor, or you could get out your die grinder and hogg out the one notch.:Cheer:
4x4dually
01-10-2012, 01:19 PM
My synchro range linkages are so sloppy I might even be able to find a 6/8R. LOL
RustyBolts
01-10-2012, 01:19 PM
I have a 68 and want to do this in the future. Keep us posted on the project.
Sure will! When I actually get into the meat and taters of this project, I'll upload a YouTube video about it. In the meantime, if you want to see out '58 720 Diesel pulling, go check out my channel
http://www.youtube.com/RustyCarnahan
DISTURBED
01-10-2012, 03:24 PM
Ok, that makes sense now. Back in the late 70's-early 80's dad had a 4010 he pulled that he ran a 3LM and 4320 manifolds on, and he says that the turbo barely fit under the hood there, and burned the paint off(!). With how the hood tapers, it would make sense that with the turbo being farther back with 4430 exhaust the hood would need bulged out.
Did you strip the hydraulics off your tractor, or leave them intact?
No everything was still fully functional
DISTURBED
01-10-2012, 03:27 PM
That's what ours was a 68' How about that special reverse not listed, you know the one in the 4th/7th side then all the way past the stop, always wondered why they didn't label it.
Jim
The reason it wasnt listed is it was to fast and way to dangerous. It will go as fast backwards in 7th as it will forward in 7th. Most of the time you cant get the shifter into 7th reverse unless the linkage is wore or you file the shifter housing down
zstroken
01-10-2012, 03:32 PM
The reason it wasnt listed is it was to fast and way to dangerous. It will go as fast backwards in 7th as it will forward in 7th. Most of the time you cant get the shifter into 7th reverse unless the linkage is wore or you file the shifter housing down
As far as that reverse. On the 3020 that my dad had it would go into that reverse as long as I can remember, and I would guess it was probably around the 2000 hour mark. Tractor probably still reads less than 6000hr. To my knowledge it wasn't modified at all. Maybe the 3020 diesel were different than the 4020 diesels.
DISTURBED
01-10-2012, 05:31 PM
It worked on some and it didnt on others. We have all the 10 series and it only works on a few of them. We only have 1 20 series and its a 4020 powershift ans a 2510 which is actualy made while the 20 series were being made. It is a cross between a 3020 and a 2020 but is desinated a 2510 and it will go into that reverse
RustyBolts
01-10-2012, 07:55 PM
No everything was still fully functional
Was there enough space between the turbo inlet, and the Hyd. control valve block?
RustyBolts
01-10-2012, 08:08 PM
It worked on some and it didnt on others. We have all the 10 series and it only works on a few of them. We only have 1 20 series and its a 4020 powershift ans a 2510 which is actualy made while the 20 series were being made. It is a cross between a 3020 and a 2020 but is desinated a 2510 and it will go into that reverse
Yup. The 4520 has 7300 hrs on it, and will do it. As far as I know, the 1010 and 2010, won't do it because their transmission is entirely different than the 30-4010. The 10 series Waterloos had the extra notch from the factory, but when reports came in about accidents happening due to the high speed of 7R, Deere changed it when they introduced the 20 series. (in the transmission anyway) there's just as many reverse gears as there are high range forward gears (3R, 5R, 7R, and actually 8R). Just to prove a point to me when I was a lil schaffer, dad took the cowl off the 4010 we had, disconnected the one shift linkage and slipped the trans into 8R. He only slipped the clutch, just to make it move a foot or so, he never let it fully engage. Then he shut off the engine, and put it back to normal. He then explained to me why the 4020's and anything newer with a Synchro-Range only had 3R and 5R. Another safety/convenience change that happened during the 10-20 series changeover was moving the PTO lever from the left to the right side to avoid getting caught on it when getting off the tractor.
zstroken
01-10-2012, 08:13 PM
Yup. The 4520 has 7300 hrs on it, and will do it. As far as I know, the 2010, wouldn't do it because it's transmission was entirely different than the 30-4010. The 10 series had the extra notch from the factory, but when reports came in about accidents happening due to the high speed of 7R, Deere changed it when they introduced the 20 series. (in the transmission anyway) there's just as many reverse gears as there are high range forward gears (3R, 5R, 7R, and actually 8R). Just to prove a point to me when I was a lil schaffer, dad took the cowl off the 4010 we had, disconnected the one shift linkage and slipped the trans into 8R. He only slipped the clutch, just to make it move a foot or so, he never let it fully engage. Then he shut off the engine, and put it back to normal. He then explained to me why the 4020's and anything newer with a Synchro-Range only had 3R and 5R. Another safety/convenience change that happened during the 10-20 series changeover was moving the PTO lever from the left to the right side to avoid getting caught on it when getting off the tractor.
LOL, I think you just missed the posting, we have a 3020 and it has the 3rd reverse.
RustyBolts
01-10-2012, 08:18 PM
At this point tonight, anything's possible. :hehe:
zstroken
01-10-2012, 08:27 PM
I always called it 1R, 2R, and 3R, pretty interesting that there is a 4R. I put lots of time on that tractor.
RustyBolts
01-10-2012, 08:31 PM
I always called it 1R, 2R, and 3R, pretty interesting that there is a 4R. I put lots of time on that tractor.
It seems like everybody does, and I'm the only ont that calls it 3R, 5R, and 7R. It's probably because that's the gear right above it in the shift pattern, and the same speed. Even Dad calls em 1,2, and 3R.
zstroken
01-10-2012, 08:37 PM
It seems like everybody does, and I'm the only ont that calls it 3R, 5R, and 7R. It's probably because that's the gear right above it in the shift pattern, and the same speed. Even Dad calls em 1,2, and 3R.
If you do a search on google for 3020 synchro mesh, I saw a site that had decals and it actually says
1
3 3
R
So I could see the 3R, 5R etc the R was under the rightmost 3.
cumminspuller
01-11-2012, 08:28 AM
When I was 10 I rode the fender a whole summer learning from my granddad and watching his every move (whole new meaning to raw a$$ from the fender) the next summer I did the same for about a month with me plowing the straight ways and him doing the corners till he refused and made me take the corners, then one day he said stop up here and I did, he jumped off and said, go and see ya later and off I went at 11.......sure miss that old guy, great person and role model.
Jim
I've got some memories like that myself. That may be one reason I like 2cylinder Deere tractors as much as I do.
My 4020's a Power Shift, but dad's 4520 is a synchro range. Once the Synchro Ranges get a little wear in the shift quadrant, it's real easy to slip em on down into 7R. 4010's actually had it, but 4020 and newer, technically no as it was deemed unsafe to cruise backward at 12 MPH :badidea: Howsumever, I'd be lying if I said I've never used it :evil
As far as I know though, a 4010 quadrant will swap right over to a later tractor, or you could get out your die grinder and hogg out the one notch.:Cheer:
I've heard some people say that all 4010/4020 had the higher gear reaverse but I've been on some that didn't. The shifter would go into the position where it was suppose to be but there was no gear there I guess. A lot of them that had that gear had one row cotton pickers mounted on them at one point in there life. I'd wouldve used it to if I'd worked with one that had it LOL
Jim Fulmer
01-13-2012, 10:36 PM
I love 2 cylinder JD's, our neighbor had a mint 730, love that old school stuff.
The high gear 4/7/reverse was good when backing up with a 3 point chisel but I can see the dangers, still don't know what made me try that, sick teen I'd guess or bored!
Jim
RustyBolts
01-20-2012, 01:02 PM
Back from Anderson's with my wares
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cumminspuller
01-20-2012, 03:25 PM
Looks good! You'll have to post a video of it when you get it put on.
RustyBolts
01-20-2012, 08:33 PM
You can count on it!
RustyBolts
01-20-2012, 08:37 PM
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Another shot of the manifolds.
Gonna treat it to a new head gasket too, which I'm goin to order in tomorrow.
RustyBolts
02-01-2012, 10:04 PM
Had a couple setbacks, one more serious than the other.
1: The turbo has a T4 mounting foot, and manifold is T3. Luckily, the mounting foot on the charger is about 1/2" shorter than a TO4, so that situation will be remedied by a 1/2" thick T3 to T4 adapter (Anyone got one layin around they'd be willing to part with?).
2: The 4430 elbow is a bit too long and would be so far ahead I'd have to hack up the hood (something I'm NOT going to do if it can be avoided). I'm gonna try a 4320 elbow, which is shorter, so hopefully we'll be back on track soon.
There is good news though; the head gasket set came UPS yesterday.
More updates to come.
duramax3388
02-03-2012, 07:58 PM
Quick question about the 720 is that a factory electric start or something you put togather. Nice tractor by the way
RustyBolts
02-04-2012, 12:06 AM
Both of them were factory pony start, but we changed "Spare Parts" over to electric start to save weight. It's completely homemade-and-handy put of 1/2" plate and an old starter we had laying around off of a 7.3L idi. The gear pitch of the starter doesn't match the pitch of the flywheel, and doesn't have enough torque to spin the diesel over full compression. It's a pretty involved process to get it running because you have to give it just enough compression to get the fuel burning, but you can't give it the full amount because it'll stall out the starter. It was enough to get us through last pulling season, but we've got an actual JD starter in the works for this coming season.
The compression release is also our safety kill device, so now it's spring-loaded to the rear instead of the front, with a pin to hold it in the running position, connected to a cable that runs to the rear of the tractor.
This pic shows the setup fairly well (you'll have to click on it to see it well)
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duramax3388
02-07-2012, 06:47 PM
Good deal. Thanks I know someone that may use this info. What kinda Deere starter are you going to?
RustyBolts
02-07-2012, 08:49 PM
No prob'm! Just DON'T use a 7.3L IDI Starter lol. I've got the JD part # somewhere for a 12V starter that'll work, but can't find it for the life of me right now.
Question: Anyone have clearance issues between the turbo compressor and the factory 'water manifold'??? Asking for my father in law so limited knowlege til i look at it
RustyBolts
02-08-2012, 09:48 AM
Question: Anyone have clearance issues between the turbo compressor and the factory 'water manifold'??? Asking for my father in law so limited knowlege til i look at it
I was wondering the same thing, so I asked my Dad who did this to a 4010 back in the 80's. He said he doesn't remember it being an issue with the TO4 AiResearch, but it turned into one when he put the 3LM Schweitzer on it. To alleviate the clearance issue, he took the mounting "feet" (offset cast iron pieces that go between the head and the thermostats) off, and turned them around to move the water manifold out of the way. I'm pretty sure he was able to use the stock upper radiator hose too.
RustyBolts
02-13-2012, 10:13 PM
Well, no updates or pics from this weekend. The plan was to finish up the overhaul on the 720 (the farm tractor, not the puller) and get the 4020 in the shop to start working on it. But then I got a phone call, and long story short, I ended up under an F-SUPERDUTY and then elbow deep into a ZF-5. Wouldn't stay in reverse, so it got a full rebuild. New blocker rings, bearings, and reverse gear. Oughta last another 300K now, providing I put everything back together right. Doesn't make any weird noises, and shifts GREAT in all 6 gears.
cumminspuller
02-14-2012, 09:00 AM
Rusty Bolts that sounds like how my days weekends usually go. I may have missed this but was the 720 Overhaul a have to or you just wanted to? Are you doing a complete overhaul?
RustyBolts
02-14-2012, 10:12 AM
The 720 had been using oil for the last few years, and last summer it got warm on us a few times. Not ever hot enough to peg the 230* gauge, but warmer than we like to see it. About the same time it started using water, but not enough to really concern us. There was a two-week lull in haymaking last august, and when dad went out to start it, it shot water out the stack. At that point we knew it was either a cracked head, blown head gasket, or leaking injector sleeve. We finally got around to tearing it down between Thanksgiving and Christmas, where we found a blown head gasket. While we had it that far down, we figured we might as well pull the pistons, hone the cylinders, re-ring it, put in new rod bearings, and have the pumps and injectors refreshed by Roger Marlin. I wouldn't call it a complete overhaul because we're not going to do mains (imagine trying to get those out), or bore the block, so I'd call it a minor O/H I guess.
Jim Fulmer
02-14-2012, 11:33 AM
Would love to see pics of the 720's tear down if you have them.
Jim
cumminspuller
02-21-2012, 07:46 AM
Would love to see pics of the 720's tear down if you have them.
Jim
Me to!
RustyBolts
02-26-2012, 10:43 PM
Went to Anderson's friday and exchanged the elbows. Now all I really need is the T3-T4 spacer, and I'll be ready to get the ball rolling on this project.
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As far as the 720 goes, it's been torn down the rest of the way, and the cylinders have been honed. Waiting on a head gasket set from Mother Deere.
Still haven't sent the pumps and nozzles off to Marlin's yet either. Dad's also contemplating whether or not to do anything to the pony engine while it's off the tractor.
cumminspuller
02-28-2012, 10:16 AM
RustyBolts that is the an elbow for a 4320 correct?
RustyBolts
02-28-2012, 10:45 AM
Yessir. The 4430 elbow is too long, and too tall to fit under the hood of the 4020.
Meyers Farms
03-04-2012, 05:57 PM
Subscribed...just picked up a 4010 today and this may be in its future!
RustyBolts
03-07-2012, 06:38 PM
Subscribed...just picked up a 4010 today and this may be in its future!
If you end up deciding to do this to your 4010, shoot me a pm, I'll be glad to point you in the right direction.
RustyBolts
03-07-2012, 06:39 PM
Also too, While I was home I bolted the elbow up to the mounting pad on the manifold, and it looks like that was just what the doctor ordered. Near as I can figure, it's gonna come out right in the center ot the muffler hole in the hood.
Meyers Farms
03-08-2012, 06:15 AM
If you end up deciding to do this to your 4010, shoot me a pm, I'll be glad to point you in the right direction.
Thanks for the offer!
cumminspuller
03-09-2012, 11:25 AM
Also too, While I was home I bolted the elbow up to the mounting pad on the manifold, and it looks like that was just what the doctor ordered. Near as I can figure, it's gonna come out right in the center ot the muffler hole in the hood.
Good deal! Now you just need to get it going so we can see a video of it! LOL
RustyBolts
03-13-2012, 09:23 AM
Good deal! Now you just need to get it going so we can see a video of it! LOL
Boy! Don't I know it! LOL School's really been in the way of getting this one up and running. :bang
cumminspuller
03-13-2012, 10:01 AM
Boy! Don't I know it! LOL School's really been in the way of getting this one up and running. :bang
I understand. I said the same theing when I was in college rebuilding the motor in a 4520 I had at the time. I really didn't care what else was going to on I wanted to be in the shop working on it! LOL
RustyBolts
03-13-2012, 10:13 AM
Yup. My only problem is "the shop" is 200 miles away...
cumminspuller
03-22-2012, 07:56 AM
Yea that is a little bit of a problem then.
RustyBolts
04-30-2012, 01:12 PM
Ya know, it's irritating how much school, work, and life in general get in the way of projects. The 720 has sat neglected since the last update on it, and we haven't even gotten started on the 4020. What makes things worse is hay season is right around the corner. It sounds like the 720's gonna get new rod bearings, rings, and head gasket and go back to the field. The pumps & injectors are gonna have to wait another year I guess.
The 4020, well, it may have to go this hay season naturally aspirated. I've got everything I need to turbo it, minus the time and shop space. On the other hand though, it NEEDS a new head gasket the worst way in the world. Rear right side of the block is black form the oil that runs down it from the leaky head, and valve cover gaskets. On top of that, the Power Shift VB needs gone through and cleaned/honed because I've got a valve sticking, causing some really funky shifting! (Forward and reverse neutral is 7th, 1st is actually 3rd and 2nd is actually 4th. The valve that controls pressure to the C1 and C2 clutch packs is stuck in the C2 apply position.)
At this point, I'm pretty much just waitin' on Lane (or rather Dad) to get the rod bearings, and the rest of the gaskets for the 720 ordered, delivered, and installed so that we at least have one big tractor to use for first-cutting.
Here we go again!
cumminspuller
05-02-2012, 02:49 PM
Ya know, it's irritating how much school, work, and life in general get in the way of projects. The 720 has sat neglected since the last update on it, and we haven't even gotten started on the 4020. What makes things worse is hay season is right around the corner. It sounds like the 720's gonna get new rod bearings, rings, and head gasket and go back to the field. The pumps & injectors are gonna have to wait another year I guess.
The 4020, well, it may have to go this hay season naturally aspirated. I've got everything I need to turbo it, minus the time and shop space. On the other hand though, it NEEDS a new head gasket the worst way in the world. Rear right side of the block is black form the oil that runs down it from the leaky head, and valve cover gaskets. On top of that, the Power Shift VB needs gone through and cleaned/honed because I've got a valve sticking, causing some really funky shifting! (Forward and reverse neutral is 7th, 1st is actually 3rd and 2nd is actually 4th. The valve that controls pressure to the C1 and C2 clutch packs is stuck in the C2 apply position.)
At this point, I'm pretty much just waitin' on Lane (or rather Dad) to get the rod bearings, and the rest of the gaskets for the 720 ordered, delivered, and installed so that we at least have one big tractor to use for first-cutting.
Here we go again!
That sounds like my luck. Sunday i went and hooked up the disc mower to my 720 to check it out before I cut some wheat hay. Hooked it up and drove up to the barn. Went to fold it up and about the time the cutter bar got folded up it blew a small plug out of the lift cylinder(only leaked when folding up the cutter bar). I check the oil in everything and let the cutter bar back down and turn it on and get a gear raddling somewhere. Sounds like 2 gears without the correct amount of backlash between them. To boot the wheat is ready now and I don't have the time to fix the disc mower. Oh well.
RustyBolts
05-09-2012, 02:56 PM
That sounds like my luck. Sunday i went and hooked up the disc mower to my 720 to check it out before I cut some wheat hay. Hooked it up and drove up to the barn. Went to fold it up and about the time the cutter bar got folded up it blew a small plug out of the lift cylinder(only leaked when folding up the cutter bar). I check the oil in everything and let the cutter bar back down and turn it on and get a gear raddling somewhere. Sounds like 2 gears without the correct amount of backlash between them. To boot the wheat is ready now and I don't have the time to fix the disc mower. Oh well.
If I were you, I'd check and make sure the u joints on the disc mower were phased correctly. There's one on our #12 Massey Square baler that was welded in out-of-phase by the previous owner. It's not bad as long as we're going in a straight line, but it makes a hellacious amount of racket whenever you turn it the least little bit.
RustyBolts
05-09-2012, 03:11 PM
Update for everybody.
Sunday dad and I brought the 4020 to the shop. First thing he wanted to do was turn the fuel up on it, and so we did. All we got out of the screw was 1/2 turn, which was enough to make it MUCH snappier on the throttle response, and put out a light/moderate haze of smoke lugging it uphill.
Brought it back to the shop, and decided we better take the VB out to clean it, and un-stick the C1/C2 shuttle valve. That (obviously) meant draining the hydraulic oil, which led to changing out the filters and sump screen as well. Took the VB in on the bench, tore it apart, cleaned/honed the shuttle valves, dump valve and bores, and manual valves.
At that point, we stopped for a glass of tea, and decided that while we have it here, we might as well go ahead and pull the sheet metal, take out the Radiator and Oil Cooler, flush & clean them, and get ready to pull the head.
Monday on my way back to Lima (I'm on evenings this session...) I stopped at JD Equipment in Lancaster and picked up the T3 Turbo gasket I ordered the thursday before. While I was there, dad had me go ahead and order the gasket set and rod bearings we need for the 720. I'll pick them up friday morning on my way back through. Sounds like we'll be busy mechanic'n this weekend...
On top of that, we gotta get Spare Parts ready for her first pull of the year this coming Saturday...
No rest for the wicked
Pics to come when my computer decides to pull its head out of its ass.
RustyBolts
05-10-2012, 12:34 PM
I promised pics, here they are.
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Farmtwin
05-10-2012, 01:58 PM
Sounds like a busy weekend or weekends in the near future!
waldershrek
05-10-2012, 09:01 PM
That's a nice looking tractor. I was expecting worse for some reason.
cumminspuller
05-16-2012, 09:52 AM
If I were you, I'd check and make sure the u joints on the disc mower were phased correctly. There's one on our #12 Massey Square baler that was welded in out-of-phase by the previous owner. It's not bad as long as we're going in a straight line, but it makes a hellacious amount of racket whenever you turn it the least little bit.
I checked everything that I coudl think of. Went back and looked at the joints as well and everything is good. I stil haven't gotten a chance to sut wheat or hay with it. My other 2 jobs have kept me busy.
Sounds like you do have some late nights ahead of you. I've been helpl a buddy of mine a little bit on a Styled A at night (another reason for being slow on my own stuff LOL). He is restoring it to use in his wedding next month. Makes me want to restore some more of mine but i don't have any more time to so o well! LOL
RustyBolts
05-22-2012, 03:58 PM
Ok, some updates on the tractors. The 720 has it's pistons back in the cylinders with a fresh set of rings, and rod bearings. I think dad wants to rebuild the PS pump for it, too, but idk. The 4020 is in the field temporarily, until the 720 is back in commission. We need to take the VB back off the 4020, fully disassemble it this time and hope the C1-C2 shuttle valve doesn't stick again. Put it on there, went up through the gears, and it never missed a lick the first time. The second time, it was back to it's same old tricks (1 was 3, 2 was 4 etc. etc.). I'm pretty sure dad and I have figured out what the problem is, which entails another gasket set, and another teardown of the VB. I also finished up the turbo flange adapter this past weekend, so when it comes back to the shop, it's also getting its head gasket and windmill installed. We also put in a cheap trans temp gauge with numbers on it so we could monitor it more accurately. So far, after several miles on the road, baling 130 square bales, and 15 round bales, it hasn't gone over 165* thus telling us there isn't any excessive drag in the clutches and brakes.
More to come as it does.
cumminspuller
06-18-2012, 12:46 PM
Anything new happened?
RustyBolts
06-26-2012, 07:02 PM
Updates? Oh yes I have updates, but I still don't have a turbo'd 4020...
I'm sure you guys are getting tired of hearing all my excuses as to why I don't have done yet, but it is what it is, and it goes a little something like this:
A couple weeks ago,(wednesday the 13th) the PTO went out on the 4520, which is our mowing tractor. We haven't torn into it yet, but dad and I have a hunch as to what locked it up. Won't know til we get there, which will be another thread in and of itself come wintertime. At that point, the 720 was still apart, so the 4020 started pulling double-duty mowing and round baling. We got all of the 90 acre custom job done, at 1:30pm on saturday the 16th so then we had a bit of time to work on stuff, and have a lil fun with Spare Parts at the June BBFAC Antique pull. The corn was starting to get green between the rows, so dad and I put the Roll-o-matic tricycle under the 4020, and a set of 4-row cultivators (yes, we still cultivate, but we only have enough out to feed our own, which is about 6 acres) . Looked pretty good if I do say so myself, but then again, I'm partial to tricycle-front tractors. At sort of the same time, we was working on gettting the 720 back into commission, since the 4520 went down. Got it all back together and running a week ago yesterday (monday june 18th). I have a video of the first fire-up which I'll post a link to as soon as I get it uploaded. We spent the next couple of days tying up all the loose ends, and getting it ready to go back into the field. Last wednesday (June 20) it got to seat in its new rings while cutting, and later square baling somewhere around 12-15 acres of hay. Once we were done with the corn, the cultivators came off, and the 4020's been mostly moving round bales. We still have A LOT of first cut hay yet to get baled , but I'm hoping that we'll have enough time to do the head gasket and turbo here within the next couple weeks. Be real damn cool to have it done in time for the 4th of July parades, but for some reason, i don't see that happening. Pics to come in the next post.
More to come as it does.
RustyBolts
06-26-2012, 07:10 PM
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Naked 720 gettin a bath
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Half an hour before being put back in the field
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Cutting the backswath
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4020 with Roll-o-matic, and 4-row cultivators with the 4520 behind the wall
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More 4020
Jim Fulmer
06-26-2012, 07:32 PM
36067
Naked 720 gettin a bath
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Half an hour before being put back in the field
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Cutting the backswath
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4020 with Roll-o-matic, and 4-row cultivators with the 4520 behind the wall
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More 4020
Classics to the end, granddad's neighbor had a mint 720 when I was a early teen, love listening to it run....about like a Radial plane engine now. That front end cultivator is sweet, think we still have ours at the farm.
Jim
RustyBolts
06-26-2012, 11:09 PM
When we run the cultivators through for the second time, I'll be sure to take some video of it, so y'all can see it too. It's pretty cool the questioning looks you get from folks around my age, and the ear-to-ear grins the older folks get when you have to pull over so they can get their cars around the 12' wide rig coming down the road. :)
cumminspuller
06-27-2012, 07:44 AM
When we run the cultivators through for the second time, I'll be sure to take some video of it, so y'all can see it too. It's pretty cool the questioning looks you get from folks around my age, and the ear-to-ear grins the older folks get when you have to pull over so they can get their cars around the 12' wide rig coming down the road. :)
The looks from other people is one of the funniest things! I love it. Another one is when people ask what do you do with your old tractors? I say I still use them. They have the weirdest look on their face after that.
How does the 720 handle the haybine? We cut with disc mowers. I would like to get a haybine one day for cutting wheat though. The 4020 and the 4520 look great!!!
RustyBolts
06-27-2012, 11:47 AM
You oughta see the looks I get from the folks up here in NW OH when I tell them that we still make over 200 acres of hay and do 2-3 cuttings with a '56 720D, '61 1010, '65 4020, '69 4520, a 488 NH Haybine, 258 NH Rake, #12 Massey Square Baler, and a NH 847 chain Round Baler. What really gets 'em goin is when I tell them the most that 720 has ever used was 2 gal/hr fuel.
The 720 handles that 9' haybine really well. Chug-a-lug right along in 3rd or 4th gear all day long, barely knows it's back there.
Back in '09 dad and I repainted the 4520, the 4020 was repainted probably 10 years ago, and the 720 was repainted back in '89. The reason the hood on it looks worse, is because we put its hood over on Spare Parts. Reason being, the 720's hood had the airstack knockout removed, and Spare Parts' hadn't, so we just swapped hoods around. Both of those are going to get repainted (again) somewhere here in the next couple years too.
cumminspuller
07-10-2012, 08:08 AM
The 4020 and 4520 are some good looking tractors. You're going to have to throw a coat of paint on those cultivators before they go back on the 4020. LOL I started cleaning on my granddads 730 yesterday evening getting ready for a little local show this weekend. It is going to need some new paint in the next year or so. Its faded out a lot seems like this year since it was waxed last year.
RustyBolts
07-23-2012, 09:10 PM
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RustyBolts
07-23-2012, 09:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0XFLxaBrnI&feature=channel&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnuaWxBR_h8&feature=channel&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhJWAbwuY54&feature=plcp
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fONb4yNVTE&feature=channel&list=UL
cumminspuller
07-30-2012, 03:50 PM
Looks good!!!! What model cultivators are that on the 4020?
Meyers Farms
11-18-2012, 09:19 PM
any updates on the 4020? Looking to order parts for my 4010 and wondering if you had any tips?
RustyBolts
11-23-2012, 10:24 PM
No real updates on the 4020 to speak of. Graduated college in july, and been workin since then. WOrkin on other peoples junk doesn't leave a bunch of time for me to work on mine. Just finished picking corn with the 4020, and got the loader put back on it. Back in september dad and I bought a 4010 that had been through a fire, purely for the JD front axle, and 34" cast rear centers. Two weeks after that, we found what was left of my Paw paw Jimmy's pulling tractor called "Ole John" Ole John was the JD 4010 that won the OSTPA points championship in 1975. After that, we decided we'd do our damnedest to rebuild Ole John, like a Pheonix rising from the ashes. Got a lot of work ahead of us.
Meyers Farms
11-26-2012, 10:39 AM
No real updates on the 4020 to speak of. Graduated college in july, and been workin since then. WOrkin on other peoples junk doesn't leave a bunch of time for me to work on mine. Just finished picking corn with the 4020, and got the loader put back on it. Back in september dad and I bought a 4010 that had been through a fire, purely for the JD front axle, and 34" cast rear centers. Two weeks after that, we found what was left of my Paw paw Jimmy's pulling tractor called "Ole John" Ole John was the JD 4010 that won the OSTPA points championship in 1975. After that, we decided we'd do our damnedest to rebuild Ole John, like a Pheonix rising from the ashes. Got a lot of work ahead of us.
Get some pics up and a build thread going! I'm very interested in seeing this and getting some details if you don't mind sharing them. Thanks!
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