CAT engine application question

[4bt bowtie]

I am looking for any information regarding the CAT 4.4L 3506 4cyl engine and what it came in. I'm also looking for any turbo 4cyl cat engine that is similar in power rating to the 3506 and what those engines might be in. If anyone could help me out it would be much appreciated. Thanks for the help :bow:

[Feed Bunk]

Sometimes those smaller cat engines pop up on auction time. Also ritche brothers has a page on there website with specs for equipment. I really dont rember what those engines were put in.

[gbhtrd06]

backhoes had alot of the 4 cyl engines in them and were very dependable, i work for a cat dealer btw

[4bt bowtie]

Thanks for the help. Would you happen to know what medels came with the more powerful 173hp ACERT version?

[gbhtrd06]

No but tm at work I can look if you can wait

[smokenoise]

the older 3056 turned into a 4.4 common rail ACERT engine. most of the higher rated ones are in telehandlers i believe

[Backhoe man]

I think you are talking about the the 3054 which is a Perkins engine rebranded as a cat. A 3506 would be a big 6 cylinder, anyway the 3054 started as a 3.9 liter and now has been bumped to 4.4 acert. I liked the smaller version better very efficient and put out good power, i dont think you will find it rated much higher the 130 or so.

[smokenoise]

there is no such thing as a 3506

[DEZLFREK]

im sure he meant 3406

[gbhtrd06]

you guys are correct ive looked and the best i can find is int telehandlers and yes they do make a 3506.

[Mr.T]

Used Construction Equipment - Heavy Equipment for Sale – Buy Construction Machinery at MachineryZone Europe (http://m.machineryzone.eu/smd/used/engine/1833454/caterpillar-c4-4-3506-diesel-engine.html)
Looks like a 3506 to me

[4bt bowtie]

Thanks for the input; it will at least give me a good place to start looking. Now I need to find a salvage yard that sells machinery parts. How interchangeable are the parts, say between a 4.4L to a 6.6L since they are from the same family of engines according their website?

[1-5-3-6-2-4]

Quick breakdown of older CAT engine number system. First 2 digits are the engine series, next 2 are number of cylinders. You better double check and make sure you're not transposing numbers. 3054 and 3056 are tiny little Perkins Cats, 3500 series engines power mine equipment and are prime movers for 1-2megawatt generators. 3056 and 3506 would be opposite ends of the spectrum. And I don't believe a 3500 series Cat comes in a 6 cylinder. Smallest I've ever seen or heard of is 3508. and for your size perspective, A 3508 powers a CAT 777 100ton haul truck at about 1000hp. So are we talking the same scope?

Heres a couple CAT 3500 engines from work.

3524 from a 797B 400ton haul truck. 3500 series, v24, 4500hp.
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r193/demon_044/Work%20stuff/IMAG0583.jpg

this 777 has been converted to be our transporter. its a 3508. 3500 series, v8 , 1000 hp.

Work stuff :: VIDEO0069.mp4 video by demon_044 - Photobucket

[1-5-3-6-2-4]

I've worked on 3054s and 3056s as well, they're loving called Perkapillars. You know 100-200 horsepower jobbers. Not at all the same as 3500 Cat engines. Better verify the source of that info.

[Mr.T]

I wondered about that ad that says 3506.....it didn't sound right because in my mind a 3506 would be bigger than a 3406.....and a 3406 is a big engine. I used to work on those little perkapillar's in the cat backhoes but I couldn't remember what they were called.

[1-5-3-6-2-4]

Ya, I'm 100% sure someone typo'ed the model number. What ever engine you guys are thinking about, its not any 35xx Cat. And I'm nearly sure, its the small 4 and 6 cylinder perk cats 3054 3056, that you want.

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[4bt bowtie]

Thanks, that will be a big help. Do you have any info on the C 3114, 3204 or 3304 engine series? I've seen them listed on a dieselenginetrader.com but I can't find any specs on them on the CAT website. I know that they are obviously all four cylinders and, I am assuming that they go up in power rating as the the series numbers increase but I do not know more than that.

[1-5-3-6-2-4]

3304 is an archaic idi monstrosity. They weigh a ton and don't make much power. Sister to the 3306, they were in lots of machines decades ago. Pretty big though, the 3306 was a 12L ish range.

Can't say I've ever seen a 3204. 3208s were garbage on a good day.

3114. Not Terrible, have some issues with injector cups leaking. Huei injection. A friend put one in an off-road buggy. Hopped it up to about 200hp iirc. Got it out of a backhoe I think. I've got pictures of that beast somewhere.

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[4bt bowtie]

That would be something to see. I am toying with the idea putting the 4.4 ACERT in my S10 as opposed to a 4bt just to be different. The trick will be finding one. I just got hired on as a tech at a CAT dealership so maybe I'll get lucky. I know I can fairly easily get 300 hp from a P-pumped 4bt, how much power do you think I could reliably squeeze out of one of those 4.4's?

[Signature600]

That would be something to see. I am toying with the idea putting the 4.4 ACERT in my S10 as opposed to a 4bt just to be different. The trick will be finding one. I just got hired on as a tech at a CAT dealership so maybe I'll get lucky. I know I can fairly easily get 300 hp from a P-pumped 4bt, how much power do you think I could reliably squeeze out of one of those 4.4's?

You mean before the head gasket blew, or you dropped a valve?

Not a big fan of them since they went to the Tier 3 emissions standards. WAY too many top end problems, and they seem to eat injectors faster than our other engines. We don't have a ton out there, but what we have had, have been hit or miss.

BTW, mine were the real Perkins version in MF tractors;)

Stick with the 4BT, or if you want odd, go with a Deutz air cooled, or a Sisu Diesel. Those are odd engines that are worth looking at;) I think I have a Sisu 4.4L 105hp left around here...
Chris

[4bt bowtie]

Thanks for the info; I suppose the downside to unique is parts availability, or lack thereof. It looks like the 4bt might be my best option. I know where I can find all the parts for one of those. What are the specs on that susi engine?

[Signature600]

Sisu was bought out by AGCO in 2003, and is now replacing almost all other engine manufacturers used by them. It is an awesome engine, balanced like nothing I've ever seen from a mass producer of engines. Basically, just a well built engine....like most engines today.

What I like about them:
Mid Liner support...no cavitaion and a stronger cylinder
6 Head bolts per cylinder
Balance
TONS of torque

As far as detailed specs, let me dig them up off my server and I'll post up what I have!
Chris

[1-5-3-6-2-4]

If you want to see the 3114 cat buggy in action. Google "Diamond Dave Cat buggy" you'll get some hits. Hand built tube chassis, rockwells, 48" Michelins.

Ill spot you some pics from my laptop when I get back from the mine in the morning.

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[1-5-3-6-2-4]

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r193/demon_044/Offroad%204x4/Catbuggy01.jpg

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r193/demon_044/Offroad%204x4/Catbuggy03.jpg

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r193/demon_044/Offroad%204x4/Catbuggy02.jpg

[joefarmer]

You mean before the head gasket blew, or you dropped a valve?

Not a big fan of them since they went to the Tier 3 emissions standards. WAY too many top end problems, and they seem to eat injectors faster than our other engines. We don't have a ton out there, but what we have had, have been hit or miss.

BTW, mine were the real Perkins version in MF tractors;)

Stick with the 4BT, or if you want odd, go with a Deutz air cooled, or a Sisu Diesel. Those are odd engines that are worth looking at;) I think I have a Sisu 4.4L 105hp left around here...
Chris
You're holding out on a Sisu 4.4l??? GIMME!! I have a Jeep that needs it!!

[WUnderwood]

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r193/demon_044/Offroad%204x4/Catbuggy01.jpg


that looks like a bad mama right there

[1-5-3-6-2-4]

Ya its a Rocky mountain hill climb killer. I'll find you some vids of it at work. pretty awesome.

[4bt bowtie]

That is a sweet looking buggy. Chris, how much would you want for that susi?

[Signature600]

You're holding out on a Sisu 4.4l??? GIMME!! I have a Jeep that needs it!!

Not holding out....you never asked.

Chris

[4bt bowtie]

Chris, how much is that susi engine worth to you?

[joefarmer]

Not holding out....you never asked.

Chris
Chris, please bring it up to me tomorrow with the rest of the secret squirrel stuff you're dropping off.

[joefarmer]

Chris, please bring it up to me tomorrow with the rest of the secret squirrel stuff you're dropping off.
I forgot. PLEASE?

[Ben46a]

3524 from a 797B 400ton haul truck. 3500 series, v24, 4500hp.
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r193/demon_044/Work%20stuff/IMAG0583.jpg


UGH, Suncor, may I never need to go back to that hole...

[Ben46a]

BTW spec on TMI is 3650 hp on a 3524B in a JSM series 797B even though advertised is 3500 hp.

[1-5-3-6-2-4]

Ah 35, I though it said 45.

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[Signature600]

Chris, how much is that susi engine worth to you?

3cyl, 4cyl, or 6cyl??

Sisu, btw;)

Chris

[4bt bowtie]

Typo, my bad... I was thinking the 4 cylinder would work best.

[Signature600]

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