500hp/1000lb/ft-Cost to reach on Big 3

[NPloysa]

So, who is right around 500 hp and 1000 lb/ft?

I am curious what the cost was to get there. I am not talking about clutches, VB's or other tranny work, gauges, etc. Just engine mods. Not nitrous either.

I know, I know, picky me!

So whoever owns what, Cummins, PSD, Duramax, etc. List your power at approx 500/1000 and the cost of what it took to get there on engine mods alone.

Sorry guys, stickers don't count this time, unless they are proven on the dyno!

I will start. I have (only) spent $1225 on a Smarty, straight piped stock exhaust, AFE Stage II. I will be dynoing for the first time next month. I know that does not put me at 500/1000.

Nick

[rush]

On a duramax cost is tranny $3000-$5000 depending on brand. a suncoast stage 3 would run about $3000-$3500 installed and would hold 500 hp. EFI Live is $750 and a lift pump $100-$500 depending what you want. So on a dmax you could do it for around $4000-$5000.

Kelly

[NPloysa]

Eh hemm!! :)

I am not talking about clutches, VB's or other tranny work, gauges, etc. Just engine mods. Not nitrous either.

List your power at approx 500/1000 and the cost of what it took to get there on engine mods alone.

So, EFI and a $500 pump would be around $1350?

Not bad, I figured the Dmax would be cheapest to mod.

Nick

[NPloysa]

By the way, I know the newer trucks are closer to 500 hp stock then older trucks were. So, it may cost more to get, say, a '99 24V Cummins to 500 from 235 stock hp than a 2007 Dmax because the DMax is already at 350 hp stock.

[rush]

Eh hemm!! :)



So, EFI and a $500 pump would be around $1350?

Not bad, I figured the Dmax would be cheapest to mod.

Nick


Guess i should read the entire post. you could do it as cheap as $850-$900.

[rush]

By the way, I know the newer trucks are closer to 500 hp stock then older trucks were. So, it may cost more to get, say, a '99 24V Cummins to 500 from 235 stock hp than a 2007 Dmax because the DMax is already at 350 hp stock.


With efi live it would be hard for any other truck to do it as cheap.

[McRat]

On a newer LBZ/LMM Duramax, you will need:

Converter and Transgo Jr ($1200-2000)

Tuning ($749-1000)

Yield will be over 500rwhp and 1000ftlb.

[McRat]

PSS - there is a difference between Brochure HP and RWHP of about 20-30%.

A new LBZ with 360 Brochure, will put 310 of it to the ground. So a "500HP" Duramax is actually 600+ HP at the crankshaft.

[turbomatt1]

95 Ram with 370 Marines $300 , Garmon Gov springs $250, & a bit of elbow greese, did 505hp & over 1200ftlbs to the wheels.
Hard to beat the old 12 valvers fo cheap HP!

[McRat]

95 Ram with 370 Marines $300 , Garmon Gov springs $250, & a bit of elbow greese, did 505hp & over 1200ftlbs to the wheels.
Hard to beat the old 12 valvers fo cheap HP!

It's simply amazing how much torque the bone stock clutch / automatic can take eh?

;)

[joefarmer]

It's simply amazing how much torque the bone stock clutch / automatic can take eh?

;)
I am curious what the cost was to get there. I am not talking about clutches, VB's or other tranny work, gauges, etc. Just engine mods. Not nitrous either.

He said no tranny mods. If I had to choose between the big three it would be a toss-up between a LLY or 3rd gen Dodge. Funny how the Fords never come into play. LOL

[turbomatt1]

It's simply amazing how much torque the bone stock clutch / automatic can take eh?

;)

Lol! you should see the stock flexplate I have on my wall!
Better yet, you should have heard the sound it made when it failed at WOT!! :aiwebs_016:

[JOHNBOY]

EFI Live $750
Macs Dual Disk Clucth $2200
Lift pump $300
4" Summit Racing Exhaust $400
Intake $275

507hp 1050tq at the rear tires on a Dynojet 248.:rockwoot:

Intake and Exhuast not needed.

[JOHNBOY]

95 Ram with 370 Marines $300 , Garmon Gov springs $250, & a bit of elbow greese, did 505hp & over 1200ftlbs to the wheels.
Hard to beat the old 12 valvers fo cheap HP!

No valve springs or retainers?

Man I need to find a 12V.:st:

[turbomatt1]

No valve springs or retainers?

Man I need to find a 12V.:st:

lol! Cool avitar !
Yup, stock valve springs.
Dynograph in this thread: http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7269

[JOHNBOY]

lol! Cool avitar ! Thanks Yup, stock valve springs.
Dynograph in this thread: http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7269

Man than that is pretty cheap to build plus you dont have to build the engine if you want more than 1100rwtq.

[JOHNBOY]

He said no tranny mods. If I had to choose between the big three it would be a toss-up between a LLY or 3rd gen Dodge. Funny how the Fords never come into play. LOL


What? LB7 :rockwoot:
LLY's can and do make good power but I like the LB7 better. Simple and the smaller LB7 charger is more responsive IMHO. If your looking to stay with the stock charger LB7 is the way to go.

[PSDPlayer]

6.0L diesel. $1700 for 190cc injectors. SCT $450 $1700 Played with a modified factory turbo that had GT4088 internals (GT4088 Compressor housing and wheel, GT40 shaft and bearings, GT4088 exhaust wheel and machined factory housing with trimmed vgt vanes to fit.) $250 AirAid. $500 4" turbo back exhaust. 500hp/903ft lbs. But if you let me hit the spray button. 669/1115ft lbs.

[joefarmer]

I like the SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH sound the LLY makes. :hehe: shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[NPloysa]

PSS - there is a difference between Brochure HP and RWHP of about 20-30%.

A new LBZ with 360 Brochure, will put 310 of it to the ground. So a "500HP" Duramax is actually 600+ HP at the crankshaft.

Yeah I know what you mean and it makes sense. When I said stock HP I meant advertised crank and the 500/1000 was meant as at the wheels, so yes, a 360 Dmax is making 300-310 at the wheels stock? So 500 would be approx 200 more HP.

[Cobra#3747]

Are we counting all the fuel I had to burn to figure out EFIlive to make around 500hp? Then there is the accelerated tire wear :doh:

I dont have dyno numbers to prove it, but ran a 13.1@104 in extended cab 4x4, no weight reduction, weighs in with 7200 race weight with me and fuel.

Anyway

EFIlive..............750
Edelbrock 1792...200
Summit Exhaust 400

So around 1350.00 total

[CumminAtYa]

With my 03 I got 525/996 on the following ENGINE modifications. (yes, I read your entire post)
PPE Xcelerator - 600
TST R49 (used) 560
Straight piped for 60
AEM intake overpaid 275
II Silver Bullet - ??? I traded wheels and tires I no longer wanted for it, but I figured for what I got and what I gave it was even, say 1500...
I paid close to $3000 for it.

[NPloysa]

The reason I started this is because it got me thinking...

Hold that thought, I saw only one PSD owner chime in, are they too embarassed they spent more than we did for 500 or even less HP?

Anyway, I read an article in the TDR magazine about an 04 CR Cummins that had a Predator, Power Puck, and Extreme tune of Snow Performance for $1495 and ran 500/1050.

Wait.... Isn't Snow Performance used like nitrous, "only when you need it"? Or can it be injected for long runs? Can it be considered a drug? If so, then I guess people can run a lesser HP truck and use nitrous to get to the 500, kind of like they did in the article with the Snow Performance on the dyno.

I don't know, thinking out loud here.

Nick

[PSDPlayer]

50/50 water meth was giving us about 50-60hp on the dyno on a 6 liter.

[CumminAtYa]

The reason I started this is because it got me thinking...

Hold that thought, I saw only one PSD owner chime in, are they too embarassed they spent more than we did for 500 or even less HP?

Anyway, I read an article in the TDR magazine about an 04 CR Cummins that had a Predator, Power Puck, and Extreme tune of Snow Performance for $1495 and ran 500/1050.

Wait.... Isn't Snow Performance used like nitrous, "only when you need it"? Or can it be injected for long runs? Can it be considered a drug? If so, then I guess people can run a lesser HP truck and use nitrous to get to the 500, kind of like they did in the article with the Snow Performance on the dyno.

I don't know, thinking out loud here.

Nick
To get 500 in a 7.3 is pretty expensive. In a 6.0 it is cheaper but still more than a Duramax, and more than the 3rd gens at least....not sure about the 12 & 24 valves.

I dn't know if I would use nitrous or not. I would rather not. I got my numbers on fuel only, no water, no water/meth, no nitrous, no pane. I think if someone wants a certain hp number and they can't get it on fuel only (which is not impossible IMO) it comes down to their budget. Seems like nitrous can be cheap power, but i'll stick to fuel for now.

[lubeowner]

Stock injectors on a 6.0 cannot supply enough fuel to get over 430 rwhp on stock turbo. You need to drop in injectors and that will cost you at least $2,000 and then alot of other small mods to support it. I know we are talking about without tranny mods, but, with a 6.0 you need to think about spending around $10,000 on the motor and tranny to get any longevity. To date nobody has put down over 500 rwhp on the stock turbo to the best of my knowledge without the help of juice.

[NPloysa]

50/50 water meth was giving us about 50-60hp on the dyno on a 6 liter.

I will double check the numbers when I get home and can re-read the article, but they were running 70/30.

I will edit this with the dyno numbers between all the mods.

Nick

[6point6]

Duramax is probably the easiest.....I wonder what my truck would put down like it sits....hmmmmmm

[McRat]

Duramax is probably the easiest.....I wonder what my truck would put down like it sits....hmmmmmm

The engine will hit 475-500hp with the PPE Hot+2 on Kill, but your trans will limp on the dyno.

Sidebar:

You can't separate the trans mods from the tuning mods with a straight face. I tune trucks all the time where the guy goes, "I'm on my way to get my trans done, so build me something HOT!". Then he calls back confused asking what SHIFT RANGE INHIBITED means.

If you are not ready to do your trans, get those 500RWHP dreams out of your head. No diesel pickup will currently support that power level on a stock transmission very long if at all.

[turbomatt1]

The engine will hit 475-500hp with the PPE Hot+2 on Kill, but your trans will limp on the dyno.

Sidebar:

You can't separate the trans mods from the tuning mods with a straight face. I tune trucks all the time where the guy goes, "I'm on my way to get my trans done, so build me something HOT!". Then he calls back confused asking what SHIFT RANGE INHIBITED means.

If you are not ready to do your trans, get those 500RWHP dreams out of your head. No diesel pickup will currently support that power level on a stock transmission very long if at all.

Yup. same with the 12 valve Dodges. you will need at least a converter & VB upgrade to live at 500 wheel.

[Dockboy]

I never understood the purpose or rational for this argument:bang

"my truck is better because I only spent $X and got Y hp":blahblah1: :doh:

I'm a diesel enthusiast. The challenge and the work is what is exciting and I enjoy, the money is secondary.

It takes a whole 2 brain cells to plug a box into the newer trucks and make 500 or close to it............BFD..............Does that make them better??:umno:


And I agree with Pat, leaving the tranny cost out of the equation makes it even more of a worthless argument:bang That's like saying "I have $1,000,000 in the bank............but I can't withdraw it because the miniute I do I will die":poke:

A Ford 4R100 can be made practically bulletproof for 500 hp+ for about $4000. To do the same thing with a Dodge or GMC would cost nearly $7000:pop:

[CumminAtYa]

Good points Greg.

[NPloysa]

I agree, good points Greg, but why are you so defensive? I appreciate what you've done to further the power of a PSD, and YES I know plug and play trucks are easy to get power out of nowadays.

So how much did it cost you to get to 500 HP?

What have you spent on your truck TOTAL to get it to its top numbers?

Bulletproof 4R100 for $4000 and the identical GM/Dodge tranny for $7000?

Putting that $3000 you save from the tranny upgrades can be spent on more PSD engine mods :) But like you said, money spent doesn't matter, so who cares if it costs $3000 more, right?

For some people money is an issue and want the most bang for their buck.

[Dockboy]

And to add to this......................

If I wanted to have a 500 hp truck, and that was all the further I was going to take it, that truck would be a Ford Superduty with a 7.3L PSD:clap:

Would it take more money compared to the rest to get the engine there? Absolutly!! But it would by far be the best overall performer of the group!!!!!

1- There is no comparison in the trucks themselves! The Ford is of better quality, strength, versitilty, etc. than the rest.

2- Same goes for the driveline.

3- A properly built 500 hp 7.3 PSD has a much broader power band than any of the others! It has the low end torque and power of a 12v and the upper end power of the newer common rails. And can be switched on the fly instantly anywhere in between

And before you go off......Yes I have driven all of them at 500 hp and the 7.3 wins hands down on performance!!!

All 500 hp engines are not the same. It's kind of like going to the grocery store. You can buy ACME Brand vanilla ice cream cheap or spend the money for Bryer's vanilla ice cream. You come out of the store with vanilla ice cream either way, but which would you rather eat?:pop:

Now I'm building a monster Cummins common rail for my truck.......not because it's cheaper, but because it's the best platform to use for the power level I'm shooting for! I will have many more dollars in the Cummins than I had in the 7.3 by the way.

[NPloysa]

Greg, which engine is the Acme and which is the Bryers? :) Or did you mean the truck/engine package?

Like I said, this thread was simply started because I read about a truck who's mods got it up to 500 RWHP from a stock 283 RWHP (217 RWHP gain) for $1495.

I wasn't trying to say it's better than a Ford because it costs less, or a Dmax is better because it's cheaper than a PSD and a CR Cummins.

Congrats on using a Cummins this time, what will you be shooting for?

[Dockboy]

Nick,

It was just an analogy buddy ;) Every one of the Brands/combo's has their pro's and con's. It's just frustrating sometimes when people get so blinded by brand loyalty, then throw out the $$ argument, that they can't see the forrest for the trees!! I'm not saying you did that!! It's just a comment. It's what keeps us all apart and stunts the growth of our sport.

Thanks. My new little project is challenging and exciting:woohoo: I'm shooting for 8-900 on fuel and 1200+ on nitrous:evil

[NPloysa]

Good! And I would be honored to take a ride with you in that old PSD :) Not to mention the new Cummins powered Ford :)

[JOHNBOY]

3- A properly built 500 hp 7.3 PSD has a much broader power band than any of the others!


Have you seen a dyno of a good running 500 Dmax? :poke: Mine was making over 400rwhp at 2200 rpm and still making over 400rwhp 4200rpm. Peak power of 507 at 2850rpm. That is a 2000rpm rev band with over 400rwhp. I have seen Mech2161 on the dyno. He makes 500rwhp and his power was droping off hard after peak.:poke:

[Dockboy]

Have you seen a dyno of a good running 500 Dmax? :poke: Mine was making over 400rwhp at 2200 rpm and still making over 400rwhp 4200rpm. Peak power of 507 at 2850rpm. That is a 2000rpm rev band with over 400rwhp. I have seen Mech2161 on the dyno. He makes 500rwhp and his power was droping off hard after peak.:poke:

Yes I have:poke: In fact, I have probably seen and personally dynoed more trucks than you can possibly imagine!! :Cheer: And you can ask Kevin (Mech2161) how my 500 hp PSD dynoed and performed as he has seen it personally ;)

My 500 hp peak dyno sheets are 450+ hp from 2300 rpm to red line (3700 rpm) and flat has a table top on a Dynojet. Peak hp at 2600 rpm puts it at about 200+ more ft/lbs of torque. But don't get confused comparing Superflow graphs with Dynojet graphs ;) They are not the same!

[getblown5.9]

150hp DDP injectors $900
Silver bullet turbo $1500
TST COMP fueling box $500
Smarty $650

so $3550 on a 02 24v vp44 truck...you can throw in intake and exhaust if you want, but they dont really make power, just help keep EGT's down

[NPloysa]

150hp DDP injectors $900
Silver bullet turbo $1500
TST COMP fueling box $500
Smarty $650

so $3550 on a 02 24v vp44 truck...you can throw in intake and exhaust if you want, but they dont really make power, just help keep EGT's down

Did that get you 500? Seems like it would get a bit more?

Nick

[JOHNBOY]

Yes I have:poke: In fact, I have probably seen and personally dynoed more trucks than you can possibly imagine!! :Cheer: And you can ask Kevin (Mech2161) how my 500 hp PSD dynoed and performed as he has seen it personally ;)

My 500 hp peak dyno sheets are 450+ hp from 2300 rpm to red line (3700 rpm) and flat has a table top on a Dynojet. Peak hp at 2600 rpm puts it at about 200+ more ft/lbs of torque. But don't get confused comparing Superflow graphs with Dynojet graphs ;) They are not the same!


Thats awesome! FWIW My results on a 248 and a Supeflow are really close.

Dynojet 248 507HP 1025TQ
Superflow 505 HP 1050TQ

Getting it over 500HP on Superflow was not to hard. Now on the 248 whole different ball game. I spent over a day messing around on the dyno. I will say that even though my peak power did not really change the tune from the DynoJet 248 is way more responsive. The Superflow can spool your turbo and hide bad tuning IMHO. For that badass it want to rip it shelf out from under feel the 248 is the way to go.:ft:

[Dockboy]

Thats awesome! FWIW My results on a 248 and a Supeflow are really close.

Dynojet 248 507HP 1025TQ
Superflow 505 HP 1050TQ

Getting it over 500HP on Superflow was not to hard. Now on the 248 whole different ball game. I spent over a day messing around on the dyno. I will say that even though my peak power did not really change the tune from the DynoJet 248 is way more responsive. The Superflow can spool your turbo and hide bad tuning IMHO. For that badass it want to rip it shelf out from under feel the 248 is the way to go.:ft:

Thanks and truer words haven't been spoken about the dyno's!!:Cheer:

[getblown5.9]

Did that get you 500? Seems like it would get a bit more?

Nick

i need to revise it, it was actually

150hp DDP injectors $900
B1 turbo $850
TST COMP fueling box $500
Smarty $650

did 500.52/1021tq...just barely got there

[Cobra#3747]

7000 to build a GM trans?

Granted I did my own trans, but the parts were 2500, that was sun coast clutches, valves and such for the valve body and ATS 5 star converter.

[JFlagg]

Guess we are leaving out the original cost of the truck....Lets see, 5K for a used 12V+10K in parts if I go hog wild OR 35-40K for a Duramax/Cummins CR, guess we can forget about any new parts, already 20K over the cost of the 12V:poke:

Not speaking from experience, just having alittle fun, my 24V isn't 500HP yet, just in the 400's. I'm also basing this on what I've read in this thread. I also agree you can't, not count tranny upgrades. No stock tranny will handle that power, so if your tranny won't hold on the dyno, how can you prove that you ACTUALLY have 500HP:rules:

[getblown5.9]

the only 12v's i have every found for 5k were salvage titles or so far beyond "worked hard" on a farm that it would require a frame off restoration to pass state inspection.

they are like gold nowadays, 98 12v's with 160k on the clock still sell for $15k

[TxDiesel007]

500 horses on a 12V?

Here is how ive done it..
Dragonfly injectors $960 dollars
Laser cut DVs $150 dollars
100 plate $000 dollars
Modded AFC $005 dollars
Valair Inc clutch $550 dollars
16.5 degrees tmg $000 dollars
Rips Twins $2000

grand total of $3640 with actual higher HP potential IMHO... that is high for a 12 V but i went overboard...

Rick

[CumminAtYa]

Perhaps the reason that he did not ask for prices on a trans is because he already knows how much it will costs to build a trans, or upgrade to a stronger clutch.....so let's give him a break?!

[malibu795]

7000 to build a GM trans?

Granted I did my own trans, but the parts were 2500, that was sun coast clutches, valves and such for the valve body and ATS 5 star converter.
agree 7k must be thinking about ats extreme......
i got a suncoast 4 installed out the door for 4400 minus billet input and out-put shafts from mike

efi live 550
banks bighead 200

total 5100 trap speed 100.75mph has been the fastest 6800 pound truck on number 2 sololy

[Dockboy]

total 5100 trap speed 100.75mph has been the fastest 6800 pound truck on number 2 sololy

That's good :)

But not quite 500 hp though:poke:

[malibu795]

That's good :)

But not quite 500 hp though:poke:
i put a lift pump (200 bucks) on it will be..... mind you that 100mph was with a 2.2X 60' as well :poke:

[joefarmer]

i put a lift pump (200 bucks) on it will be..... mind you that 100mph was with a 2.2X 60' as well :poke:


...and if my grandma wasn't dead, she'd be alive. :bang Sorry man, if you're gonna post you have 500hp, then later post you would have 500hp if you changed something; you won't garner much respect around here. Of course, you may always post your dyno sheet and prove me wrong.

[CumminAtYa]

...and if my grandma wasn't dead, she'd be alive. :bang Sorry man, if you're gonna post you have 500hp, then later post you would have 500hp if you changed something; you won't garner much respect around here. Of course, you may always post your dyno sheet and prove me wrong.
I fully agree

[Cobra#3747]

60' really has no impact on mph

6800 pounds, better look for about 5-6 mph gain. Thats alot to expect from a lift pump, whats your rail pressure at the end?

My truck is 7200# and runs 104.xx

[getblown5.9]

i did 519 and turned a best of 100.6mph last weekend, but thats with a 6spd and from what i gather i should be around 105-107 with an automatic (very similar truck that had almost same dyno numbers previously had run mid 12's at 107)

[JQmile]

the only 12v's i have every found for 5k were salvage titles or so far beyond "worked hard" on a farm that it would require a frame off restoration to pass state inspection.

they are like gold nowadays, 98 12v's with 160k on the clock still sell for $15k

I bought mine for 5K, but it was a salvaged titled, had been worked to death, had 250K, and the prevous owner was deported :bang it has run like a champ so far though :rockwoot:

[malibu795]

...and if my grandma wasn't dead, she'd be alive. :bang Sorry man, if you're gonna post you have 500hp, then later post you would have 500hp if you changed something; you won't garner much respect around here. Of course, you may always post your dyno sheet and prove me wrong.
true.... i believe i am doing 500 with out a lift pump and will be solidly in the 500s with a lift pump... and the fact the wheel speed is 4-7mph faster than ground speed vs time slip going across the white line.... mean to me i need to too save for some slicks...... to break 101+mph

first/last dyno sheet i have is from redding... back in june at 450 (rich maddog did not do torque for some reason for any of the trucks). every one was saying they were ~10-15% low on power.
i havent had a chance to dyno again yet.... so really all i got is time slips

a dyno is a tuning tool and all are different.... track is were it is at and the trap speed depics hp... NO?

btw my race weight vairy between 6800-7300 depending on how much fuel (up to 94gl) i have onboard..... and i have raced at 7300 pounds and done 100.XX trap speed with out a lift pump........ fault me is you want to i stand by my claim..... 500 with out a lift pump and over 500 with one

[malibu795]

60' really has no impact on mph

6800 pounds, better look for about 5-6 mph gain. Thats alot to expect from a lift pump, whats your rail pressure at the end?

My truck is 7200# and runs 104.xx
i got that in the logs via efi live.... 21-22k across the line

once the tires are spinning it hard to get them hooked again while accelerating

[Cobra#3747]

21-22K is good pressure, I maintian about 21k (when it wants 26k) with the edelbrock 1792 pump.

[joefarmer]

I'm not arguing track times and I totally agree- use the dyno for tuning your truck only and use times run on the same track for truck by truck comparisons.

However, the original poster wanted proven 500hp combos. Given that criteria, it seems a bit odd to post track times and claim they equate to dyno'd HP. Don't believe me? Use my truck for an example- it ran 11.41@120 at 6180 race weight this year at Indy. It was on the dyno about 4 weeks before that and put down 596HP. Does the track lie? Nope. Does the dyno lie? I doubt it. Does the HP/weight correlate the time? Not at all. That's my point, it's not an ideal correlation and should not be used for comparison.

[malibu795]

I'm not arguing track times and I totally agree- use the dyno for tuning your truck only and use times run on the same track for truck by truck comparisons.

However, the original poster wanted proven 500hp combos. Given that criteria, it seems a bit odd to post track times and claim they equate to dyno'd HP. Don't believe me? Use my truck for an example- it ran 11.41@120 at 6180 race weight this year at Indy. It was on the dyno about 4 weeks before that and put down 596HP. Does the track lie? Nope. Does the dyno lie? I doubt it. Does the HP/weight correlate the time? Not at all. That's my point, it's not an ideal correlation and should not be used for comparison.
quoted from the thread started "So whoever owns what, Cummins, PSD, Duramax, etc. List your power at approx 500/1000 and the cost of what it took to get there on engine mods alone"

joe... i would say that you have 600hp truck.... even if the dyno pull 49Xhp on mine... it is still a comparable figure and well within what the person was asking...

[Dockboy]

true.... i believe i am doing 500 with out a lift pump and will be solidly in the 500s with a lift pump... and the fact the wheel speed is 4-7mph faster than ground speed vs time slip going across the white line.... mean to me i need to too save for some slicks...... to break 101+mph

first/last dyno sheet i have is from redding... back in june at 450 (rich maddog did not do torque for some reason for any of the trucks). every one was saying they were ~10-15% low on power.
i havent had a chance to dyno again yet.... so really all i got is time slips

a dyno is a tuning tool and all are different.... track is were it is at and the trap speed depics hp... NO?

btw my race weight vairy between 6800-7300 depending on how much fuel (up to 94gl) i have onboard..... and i have raced at 7300 pounds and done 100.XX trap speed with out a lift pump........ fault me is you want to i stand by my claim..... 500 with out a lift pump and over 500 with one

Malibu,

Track trap speeds never lie and properly run dynos rarely do ;)

Smokemup.com's HP calculator from trap speed is the most accurate HP calculator out there. Although it tends to read 5-10% high with our trucks.

6800 lbs. at 100.75 calculats 472 hp. Subtract the 5-10% and you are right at the 450 you dyno'd.

As was stated before, 60' times have nearly zero effect on 1/4 trap speed. Also it has been proven many, many times that 500+ hp shows trap speeds of 104-106 mph in a 7000 lb. truck.

And if you think that few mph increase is easy, you got another thing coming to you!!

Every truck on the road COULD do X if you added Y parts!! COULD and actually DOING are two different things ;)

[joefarmer]

I'm not saying I have a 500hp truck, the point was that track times should not be correlated to dyno numbers.

Can you post your latest dyno sheet?

Thanks Greg- "Every truck on the road COULD do X if you added Y parts!! COULD and actually DOING are two different things ;)" is what I'm trying to say.

[malibu795]

Malibu,

Track trap speeds never lie and properly run dynos rarely do ;)

Smokemup.com's HP calculator from trap speed is the most accurate HP calculator out there. Although it tends to read 5-10% high with our trucks.

6800 lbs. at 100.75 calculats 472 hp. Subtract the 5-10% and you are right at the 450 you dyno'd.

As was stated before, 60' times have nearly zero effect on 1/4 trap speed. Also it has been proven many, many times that 500+ hp shows trap speeds of 104-106 mph in a 7000 lb. truck.

And if you think that few mph increase is easy, you got another thing coming to you!!

Every truck on the road COULD do X if you added Y parts!! COULD and actually DOING are two different things ;)

ok.... back up I got ahead of my self :bang
the 100.75mph was with a stock tranny @ 6800lb = limped tranny or the ~ 450 the greg is saying BTW is impersive to say the least that the stocker held that much.....

the time in my sig june 2nd I did 100.11, 100.13 and on august 11 100.06 @ 7200 pound

joe
the dyno was done with a sc4 tranny installed and my first dyno pull... couldnt figure out how to lock the tranny in gear
it goes 4th TCC unlock to 4th+ TCC lock then 5th

i still have a hard time believing that im only doing ~450

[Dockboy]

ok.... back up I got ahead of my self :bang
the 100.75mph was with a stock tranny @ 6800lb = limped tranny or the ~ 450 the greg is saying BTW is impersive to say the least that the stocker held that much.....

the time in my sig june 2nd I did 100.11, 100.13 and on august 11 100.06 @ 7200 pound

joe
the dyno was done with a sc4 tranny installed and my first dyno pull... couldnt figure out how to lock the tranny in gear
it goes 4th TCC unlock to 4th+ TCC lock then 5th

i still have a hard time believing that im only doing ~450

Actually the 450 on that graph is a shift spike!!:doh: Without it it is about a 425 pull which is about right for just EFI live. The most I've ever seen a Dmax with just EFI Live put down is 440.

Also, 7200 @ 100.1 still only shows 480 on Smokemup and again, it's always 5-10% high.


When you can run at least 104 mph, claim 500, untill then.......you just don't have it ;)

[malibu795]

any ways ......thanks for reading my dyno sheet:Cheer:

[joefarmer]

Sorry- sounding like an know-it-all now, but I just have to post this one. :hehe:

Greg: We tuned Kevin's truck w/EFILive + AFE + exhaust (and tranny) to 480hp over a period of a 1 hour dyno session last winter. Here's the dyno sheet, Run #1 is a reference TTS tune run. I'm close to replicating the power of a TTS tune, but I don't want to push his con rods too far. ;)

[Dockboy]

Sorry- sounding like an know-it-all now, but I just have to post this one. :hehe:

Greg: We tuned Kevin's truck w/EFILive + AFE + exhaust (and tranny) to 480hp over a period of a 1 hour dyno session last winter. Here's the dyno sheet, Run #1 is a reference TTS tune run. I'm close to replicating the power of a TTS tune, but I don't want to push his con rods too far. ;)

Cool Brandon!!!:rockwoot:


But as I said also, the "typical" EFI Live only Dmax is in the 425-450 range. ;)

[RCCX]

To answer the threads original question,when I first started in 04 with my truck I installed the following for the motor power only:

Mbrp exhaust-$450.00
Edge EZ-$500.00
TST-$850.00
FASS-$600.00
DD Jammer Turbo-$1400.00

Total:$3800.003

This netted me 514 hp and 1080 torque, mind you this was all useable fairly low egt power.This combo netted me a 13.49@101 mph,but I also had a pretty expensive transmission.Truck weighed 7450 with me in it when I ran those times.

[malibu795]

Cool Brandon!!!:rockwoot:


But as I said also, the "typical" EFI Live only Dmax is in the 425-450 range. ;)
typical as in stock turbo, with or with out lift pump.................

i know of several the dyno 49X with stock turbo and lift pump ...

[Noreaster]

But as I said also, the "typical" EFI Live only Dmax is in the 425-450 range. ;)
with last years tunes & no lift pump

[moneymaker44]

95 Ram with 370 Marines $300 , Garmon Gov springs $250, & a bit of elbow greese, did 505hp & over 1200ftlbs to the wheels.
Hard to beat the old 12 valvers fo cheap HP!


oh i got to get me some of those :rockwoot:
looks like i might turn better #'s than i thought when i hit the dyno after completion :clap:

[moneymaker44]

The 12 is the cheapest to get extra HP out of ! how ever in the new higher HP factory models out now (dodge ,ford,chevy) they have a big advantage of plug and play and show bigger numbers with less trouble.

[JohhnyFoxtrot]

Stock injectors on a 6.0 cannot supply enough fuel to get over 430 rwhp on stock turbo. You need to drop in injectors and that will cost you at least $2,000 and then alot of other small mods to support it. I know we are talking about without tranny mods, but, with a 6.0 you need to think about spending around $10,000 on the motor and tranny to get any longevity. To date nobody has put down over 500 rwhp on the stock turbo to the best of my knowledge without the help of juice.

With what said above I do not have a dyno sheet for my friend but his '04 6.0 was at 472hp and 1006 with intake exhaust and a custom sct tune. That is all it had but after pulling this summer his tranny is fried.

As for my #'s I had at dyno time:
Edge j w/ Attitude Hot program- $750
Muffler delete- $50
Ts Performance Mp-8- $360 used
II 62/14- $900 used

Here is the dyno sheet and you can plainly see where the edge defueled itself.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f19/dcorey79/dynosheet.jpg

[NPloysa]

An '04 6.0 at what stock RWHP, 275 (15% loss) put out 200 more HP with a custom tune? Plus whatever the intake made, if any.

Wow?

Nick

[John Anderson]

My 99 7.3 is right at 500 hp and 910 lbs. It is running out of air at 3000, so bigger charger is needed, but it's still there. List:

DIY Injectors - $1200

DIY Big oil - $1000

Stock S300 Turbo - $800

Headstuds - $700

Custom DP chip - $400

Exhaust and misc - $500


Total = $4600

[rhcdiesel]

I am under the impression that any powerstroke with the same hp as the other 2 is faster. the stock tranny for the 6.0 can hold more hp and tq than the other 2 b4 haveing to mod, a CC 4x4 weighing in at 8000 lbs truck with just a 450$ tune will run 13.7 if tuned correctly, Now the 6litre is not proven itself to be the boss hogs like the Dodge and Chevy, but its time will come and it will be here sooner than most expect it!My prediction is that the fastest street truck will be a 6.0 within 1 year......
Let the **** talking begin:blahblah1: :shake:

[Dockboy]

I am under the impression that any powerstroke with the same hp as the other 2 is faster. the stock tranny for the 6.0 can hold more hp and tq than the other 2 b4 haveing to mod, a CC 4x4 weighing in at 8000 lbs truck with just a 450$ tune will run 13.7 if tuned correctly, Now the 6litre is not proven itself to be the boss hogs like the Dodge and Chevy, but its time will come and it will be here sooner than most expect it!My prediction is that the fastest street truck will be a 6.0 within 1 year......
Let the **** talking begin:blahblah1: :shake:

:hehe: :hehe: LOL LOL

[dzlfarmboy]

X 2 ^ :hehe:

[JacktheBear3]

I'm not saying I have a 500hp truck, the point was that track times should not be correlated to dyno numbers.

Can you post your latest dyno sheet?

Thanks Greg- "Every truck on the road COULD do X if you added Y parts!! COULD and actually DOING are two different things ;)" is what I'm trying to say.

And as your avatar says....................

FIND X :hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:

Get busy

[rhcdiesel]

Im glad i could give everyone a laugh, "alchol is a hell of a drug" (Best rick james voice)

[thewished]

Well my diesel shop loves fords but he blew his 6.0 and would not put another ford motor in it... That alone says a lot to me, he put a 05 5.9 in it with twins and thats that.

[turbomatt1]

I am under the impression that any powerstroke with the same hp as the other 2 is faster. the stock tranny for the 6.0 can hold more hp and tq than the other 2 b4 haveing to mod, a CC 4x4 weighing in at 8000 lbs truck with just a 450$ tune will run 13.7 if tuned correctly, Now the 6litre is not proven itself to be the boss hogs like the Dodge and Chevy, but its time will come and it will be here sooner than most expect it!My prediction is that the fastest street truck will be a 6.0 within 1 year......
Let the **** talking begin:blahblah1: :shake:


Now right there... Is a man with a sense of humor! LOL :hehe: :rules:


BUT>>>>> heres the deal.... The last event I was at... My baddazz 12V Dodge was 11.8 @ 114mph >>>> & there was a Ford 6.0 ....QUICKER THAN ME!
(yes, I was Absofukkinglutely impressed)

[revolutiondsl]

How come nobody lists headstuds or anything of that nature because a 12 valve or vp truck wont last long at 500 hp without them. I know some people get away without them but i know i wouldnt want to drive one without them because my experience they blow at the worst time.

[dzlfarmboy]

How come nobody lists headstuds or anything of that nature because a 12 valve or vp truck wont last long at 500 hp without them. I know some people get away without them but i know i wouldnt want to drive one without them because my experience they blow at the worst time.

Their almost like a given must have, at that point for reliability, Unless their a newbie and dont know any better it should be stated.

[Big Swole]

530/1050


I got there late!!! As usual...

But including all my mods, tranny and Labor.....I'm sitting right around $12K...

Yeah, I know....seems like a Lot......I met the Right people WAY too Late!! :doh:

Either Way, I happy Now!!

[turbomatt1]

How come nobody lists headstuds or anything of that nature because a 12 valve or vp truck wont last long at 500 hp without them. I know some people get away without them but i know i wouldnt want to drive one without them because my experience they blow at the worst time.

You can do 500 on a 12V without O rings, but I think thats pushing your luck.

If your tune is right, though, you can go WAY over 500 on stock headbolts.

[Scooter's Roofing]

how did I miss this thread the first time? I really don't see how you can leave tranny/clutch out of the equation :confused:

12v truck with a manual tranny... on my last 98 I did 535/1196 with:

DDP4 injectors - $650 used
sps62 turbo - $1200 used
old style ARP studs - $200 used
single disk clutch - $600
4k GSK - $100
valve springs - $100