Shredder Series 5.9L

[TTR 21]

Shredder Series 5.9L (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJDSuKzz2r4)

[WUnderwood]

what was the correction factor?

[Justappumped24v]

X2 on the infamous Industrial injection correction factor.

[TTR 21]

It's an SAE correction factor that constantly changes based off our in house weather station that is linked to the Dyno-Max Pro software. It cant be manipulated.

[J-Pipes]

Interesting choice in naming it after a "bad guy" character that looses. Seems kinda fitting really.

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[TTR 21]

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[BluegrassDiesel]

Soooo 2029 on the engine dyno? Fuel only im assuming?

[08cumminssmoke]

Good looking piece.


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[TTR 21]

Soooo 2029 on the engine dyno? Fuel only im assuming?

Fuel only at 1400 pulse. Ryan is flying in this week to turn up the wick in person as well.

[bigstacks95]

Soooo 2029 on the engine dyno? Fuel only im assuming?

So 1600 at the wheels?

[TTR 21]

So 1600 at the wheels?

At a 21% or so drive train loss then yeah, that's about what it made on that tune.

[WUnderwood]

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Asking for the correction factor is not hating. For a long time, the relatively ginormous, but unknown West Coast Correction Factor was not known to the public. When Randy/Baca does such a huge number anywhere else, please let me know.

[TTR 21]

Asking for the correction factor is not hating. For a long time, the relatively ginormous, but unknown West Coast Correction Factor was not known to the public. When Randy/Baca does such a huge number anywhere else, please let me know.

I wasn't referring to you directly but...

Randy ran a 9.6 @ 150 mph at 7640lbs

Baca made over 2k at Wagler's event among a few others but that one is on the eastern side if it helps.

[TTR 21]

I'll try my best to keep everyone updated with the numbers this setup makes over the next few days once Ryan shows up to work his magic.

[Justappumped24v]

Correct me if I'm wrong but it sure did look like randy sprayed the truck when he did the 9.6 pass which would put his horsepower at 1415 rwhp. Nitrous or not that is still 200hp short of what the engine dyno with powertrain loss is claiming.

[J-Pipes]

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Hahaha, not necessarily trying to "hate", I mean I have nothing to challenge it with. Just seems like a whole lot of theatrics for something that's already been done is all.

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[TTR 21]

Correct me if I'm wrong but it sure did look like randy sprayed the truck when he did the 9.6 pass which would put his horsepower at 1415 rwhp. Nitrous or not that is still 200hp short of what the engine dyno with powertrain loss is claiming.

This is a completely different engine, turbo setup, injector setup, pump setup and everything.

[YoungDiesel27]

I watch the videos on Instagram. Hopefully everyone has good luck at UCC and this Correction factor isssue can die away. I guess everyone forgets what Shawn dynoed at SDX.

[2Tone12V]

Guess I'll give the congrats first! Nice work guys you've proved on multiple dyno's and multiple areas of the country your hp numbers aren't a fluke. Good work.

[Highwayman]

Saw the truck on 1320(?).
Get those trans issues handled and make some passes!

[kleann]

Cool, so what is it exactly? One of the first pictures looks to be a deckplate(pushrod holes were cut out), then later pics had no deckplate and pistons were installed....

[YoungDiesel27]

And the thread name says 5.9" but can see steam holes of 6.7 in the engine SIM test.

[DieselheaD]

And the thread name says 5.9" but can see steam holes of 6.7 in the engine SIM test.

If you look closer you will notice the 6.7 block is sleeved, making
a shredder 5.9.

[YoungDiesel27]

If you look closer you will notice the 6.7 block is sleeved, making
a shredder 5.9.

I didn't figure they were sleeping that far back.

[Bodacious]

Easy now:wink:. That is very impressive.

[zfaylor]

Good lord people. I am not a massive fan of dyno racing and I was awfully critical of the 2000hp claims in the past but they have proven themselves MULTIPLE times. Does it matter whether or not it makes 1600 to the tires or 2000? Do you really have any plans of purchasing one?

[TTR 21]

If you look closer you will notice the 6.7 block is sleeved, making
a shredder 5.9.

You sir are correct!

[cquestad]

So when it asks for altitude input...and one puts 10,000 ft....that is not manipulating?

[2Tone12V]

Whats it matter when they've been to the midwest and put the same numbers on multiple respected dynos...?

[Rich dzl]

Guys are making 2000 plus In the Midwest with 6.7 deckplates and on all fuel and single turbo with far less resources than a multi million dollar diesel shop. Why pick II apart they should be making that much hp or more .

[zfaylor]

Not to mention the ones picking them apart are consumers who have zero interest in actually purchasing the product.

Why is 1600 to the tire such an unbelievable number?

[J-Pipes]

I'm not doubting the numbers, or the fact that they're BIG, regardless which coast they're on. The only part that gets me is how they keep trying to push it as the first at that level. Which we all know isn't even close to true.

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[kleann]

You sir are correct!

Is it deckplated and sleeved or just sleeved?

[TTR 21]

Is it deckplated and sleeved or just sleeved?



Just sleeved. No deckplate


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[Ackerdiesel]

My question is to the general public what's the cost on this long block? No im not interested yes I guess it's irrelevant but I like everyone else want to know how it stacks up to the other guys


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[SledPuller21]

You sir are correct!

If you look closer you will notice the 6.7 block is sleeved, making
a shredder 5.9.

Not nessacarily. We sleeve a lot of blocks to 4.125. To be a 5.9, it would have to be sleeved back to ~4.020 and be running a 5.9 crank. If this is the case, I wish you guys luck chasing any high hp numbers when it's already been proven a deckplate 4.125-4.25 bore engine can take well over 3000hp.

[TTR 21]

I'm not doubting the numbers, or the fact that they're BIG, regardless which coast they're on. The only part that gets me is how they keep trying to push it as the first at that level. Which we all know isn't even close to true.

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No where in this post did anyone claim we were the first to make 2k hp. All I did was share a video of our Shredder Series Long Block and everyone's panties all of a sudden got bunched up and pinched off circulation to what obviously most people think with.

Now with that being said and I may be wrong because I don't follow sled pulling very close but 99% of the guys making 2k plus are done with mechanical injection pumps. This is a common rail injection system which is obviously 100 times different and to my knowledge has only been pushed to 2k by a select few people let alone 3k.


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[CorneliusRox]

Pretty sweet video, even sweeter longblock!
I'm looking forward to more details (crank, rods, pistons, CompRatio, cam, head work, valve size, etc...)

[TTR 21]

My question is to the general public what's the cost on this long block? No im not interested yes I guess it's irrelevant but I like everyone else want to know how it stacks up to the other guys


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The Shredder Series Long Block Runs $25,150 w/ a $2,500 core

Industrial Injection Performance Shredder Series Race Long Block consists of:

-Our Custom Flycut Coated & Chamfered HD Pistons
-14mm Gorilla Girdle installed
-HD Connecting Rod Bolts
-Carrillo Billet HD Connecting Rods
-Race Stage 2 Performance Cylinder Head (PDM-67RHC)
120lb Valve Springs, radius groove firering, Oversized stainless steel gas nitrited valves, diamond honed steel guides, Custom Seats, and Fully CNC Ported & Hand Blended.
-ARP 625 High Strength Head Studs
-Stage 3 Camshaft
-Ductile Iron Sleeves 6.7l Block
-Bore Hone torque plated
-Fully Balanced/Polished assembly
-New OEM Oil Pump
-New OEM Oil Cooler
-Billet bridges
-Custom Dlc Coated Trunions
-Stage 3 Billet PushRods
-Will Support Over 2000RWHP

[Bodacious]

Just sleeved. No deckplate


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Cool. I didn't pay enough attention. What does the head flow??

[TTR 21]

BIG Things Happening Today!

https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16298405_10207863535140435_8155209696510770958_n.j pg?oh=c58cd988e375012567ec89246bd355d3&oe=5918DAB5

[biggy238]

You learned how to apply filters to photos? 😁

I'm curious why your pumps are belt driven, given the profile of the build and the recent trend of custom housings and gear drive.

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[TTR 21]

You learned how to apply filters to photos? 😁

I'm curious why your pumps are belt driven, given the profile of the build and the recent trend of custom housings and gear drive.

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No this was copy and paste from someones iPhone smarter than me.

Beans Diesel built us a sweet setup to run triple CP3s so we are using it much like a few others out there.

[WUnderwood]

HC5(ish) chargers?

[TTR 21]

HX82s (102mm)

[TTR 21]

3000hp will have to happen another day! We split the sleeved 6.4L Cummins block at 2330hp, 1000 pulse and 28k rail was all we got to turn it up to!

https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16174959_1536603369698227_6481080064508845898_n.jp g?oh=028d80a34b739a0e7df16e3fdaea34cf&oe=591DDF3A

[CorneliusRox]

Any video's of when it failed, or did you guys just catch this on an inspection?

[TTR 21]

Any video's of when it failed, or did you guys just catch this on an inspection?

It started sputtering on the last pull from the water entering the cylinder and we cut the run short.

[TTR 21]

In case people were wondering whats next...

65623

[DDually]

Hamilton block?

[biggy238]

This means the next iteration will not be a shredder long block?

Just to be clear, I'm not poking the bear, just curious.

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[shortbusdriver]

I have one of those

http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv221/partyshortbusdriver/DSCF3142_zpsq1gvjakd.jpg

[Bodacious]

In case people were wondering whats next...

65623

Beautiful. ...but, not near shiny enough. lol I need to catch up on this thing. 2230 common rail; Nice.

I'd like to know the difference in drive power figures (X HP) between pushing enough fuel in common rail injection V/S mechanical to achieve these numbers?

[Bodacious]

I have one of those

http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv221/partyshortbusdriver/DSCF3142_zpsq1gvjakd.jpg

That's not a Trump block!!!

[TTR 21]

Well we are back and just made our first pull at 1300us

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[cottondoc]

Well we are back and just made our first pull at 1300us

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Fuel only or spraying it?


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[TTR 21]

Fuel only.


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[Ram12vcummins]

Zoomed in too much I don't see any cf on screen?

[BIGRPOWR]

that's a lot of power ! what is max pw for that setup ?

[Bodacious]

May I ask what the bore size is? I understand if you don't want to reveal.

[TTR 21]

May I ask what the bore size is? I understand if you don't want to reveal.

6.7 bore. Solid filled block.

[TTR 21]

For those who don't have social media we cracked the 3k mark a few days ago. Super stoked with how far we have come in such a short time and how much we have learned and taken away from trying to reach this goal. Lots of carnage along the way but it finally paid off.

http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/attachments/industrial-injection-diesel-performance/636721d1491915780-shredder-series-5-9l-17523672_10208376067393421_1097801103667739700_n.j pg

[Justappumped24v]

Is that an engine or chassis dyno?

[TTR 21]

Is that an engine or chassis dyno?

Engine Dyno

[takedown95]

Congratulations.

Can you post the whole graph and give details on the set-up?

Fuel only?

Spray,water...etc?

Turbo set up

Correction factor if any?

[TTR 21]

Congratulations.

Can you post the whole graph and give details on the set-up?

Fuel only?

Spray,water...etc?

Turbo set up

Correction factor if any?

That basically is the whole graph. On the engine dyno we run the test from 4500-5500rpm. This is when the load comes on and the recording starts and stops for the graph.

Fuel only with water injection. (small 1600us tune)
GT55 106 on the manifold w/ two HX82s (This is smaller than our UCC setup)

Correction factor is irrelevant. It is automatically calculated off our in house weather station that came with the dyno and software to make it 100% the same no matter where it would be ran in the world.

[Bodacious]

Congrats!!!!! How much could you make if you had a good billet aluminum block in that thing???

[cumminsman315]

That basically is the whole graph. On the engine dyno we run the test from 4500-5500rpm. This is when the load comes on and the recording starts and stops for the graph.

Fuel only with water injection. (small 1600us tune)
GT55 106 on the manifold w/ two HX82s (This is smaller than our UCC setup)

Correction factor is irrelevant. It is automatically calculated off our in house weather station that came with the dyno and software to make it 100% the same no matter where it would be ran in the world.

25% of the screen is a good bit from basically the whole graph

[takedown95]

That basically is the whole graph. On the engine dyno we run the test from 4500-5500rpm. This is when the load comes on and the recording starts and stops for the graph.

Fuel only with water injection. (small 1600us tune)
GT55 106 on the manifold w/ two HX82s (This is smaller than our UCC setup)

Correction factor is irrelevant. It is automatically calculated off our in house weather station that came with the dyno and software to make it 100% the same no matter where it would be ran in the world.

I'm surprised you didn't do a sweep down to 3500 or so. I was curious because most engine dynos for diesels are starting to make peak power from 3500-4500 rpms and then drops off before and after that.

What was the BHP number?

[TTR 21]

I'm surprised you didn't do a sweep down to 3500 or so. I was curious because most engine dynos for diesels are starting to make peak power from 3500-4500 rpms and then drops off before and after that.

What was the BHP number?

With our new "Jolly Monster" injectors and engine setup with Hardway tuning we are able to push the peak power out further in the RPM range to make the power where it will be used on the race and sled pull track.

[kleann]

If your dyno is reading your power and torque correctly, y'all have come a long way since last year. WAY ahead of anyone else's progress with the cummins. Can't wait to watch the UCC dyno feed.

[oldestof11]

With our new "Jolly Monster" injectors and engine setup with Hardway tuning we are able to push the peak power out further in the RPM range to make the power where it will be used on the race and sled pull track.
What happened to the Cobras?

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[TTR 21]

What happened to the Cobras?

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Cobras are good to about 2500hp.

We needed something more so after a lot of testing a designing we came out with these JollyMonsters. They are nutty!!!


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[J-Pipes]

If your dyno is reading your power and torque correctly, y'all have come a long way since last year. WAY ahead of anyone else's progress with the cummins. Can't wait to watch the UCC dyno feed.
Could you elaborate how they're "way ahead of anyone else" I'm not trying to bash these guys, they're making crazy power. But it's been done before, SS pullers have been over 3k for years. Now it is on the front edge for a common rail, but firepunk/D&J are also over 3k. Don't know who made more, but we'll find out soon enough, and I have a hunch they won't be the only ones in that realm of power.

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[kleann]

Could you elaborate how they're "way ahead of anyone else" I'm not trying to bash these guys, they're making crazy power. But it's been done before, SS pullers have been over 3k for years. Now it is on the front edge for a common rail, but firepunk/D&J are also over 3k. Don't know who made more, but we'll find out soon enough, and I have a hunch they won't be the only ones in that realm of power.

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Referring to common rail cummins. If there were more that were doing it, trust and believe they'd be on social media posting about it.

[J-Pipes]

Well, the firepunk guys did post it on Facebook, not exact number, but that the went past the 3k mark. I could definitely understand people not posting what they're making going into arguably the biggest competition of the yr.

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[TTR 21]

Could you elaborate how they're "way ahead of anyone else" I'm not trying to bash these guys, they're making crazy power. But it's been done before, SS pullers have been over 3k for years. Now it is on the front edge for a common rail, but firepunk/D&J are also over 3k. Don't know who made more, but we'll find out soon enough, and I have a hunch they won't be the only ones in that realm of power.

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Firepunk/D&J have an animal on their hands for sure. They went through a lot of destruction like we did to get to the levels we are at now and Its expensive but its also awesome for our industry in the Common Rail world.

Not knowing what "us" or "mpa" Firepunk/D&J is running its hard to tell but our smaller "JollyMonsters" flow over 700cc of fuel at 1600us and 160mpa and are capable of over 3000hp. Our big ones are over 1000cc on the Bosch stand. These injectors are also almost within Bosch specs for return rates and idle 100% clean.

[TTR 21]

If you have social media check this out.

https://www.facebook.com/IndustrialInjection/videos/1642583112433585/

[Pudge]

I've never been a big fan of industrial, but there's no way around it, that's impressive. And clean idle, kinda makes me wish I had a cr, but not really. Haha. I hope all these big hp motors hold together to make some laps. Pullers found out a factory block is not happy at these levels, like, head out the hood not happy. Best of luck guys

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[J-Pipes]

That's my only concern with this motor, it's been the accepted rule of thumb to do a full deckplate when going for big numbers, and they didn't. Just makes me wonder about the durability of it. Hopefully it holds together, or at least the event staff has enough safety barriers in place to keep someone from getting badly hurt. Firepunk's turbine went through a lot of material on it's exit!

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[jones95runner]

That's my only concern with this motor, it's been the accepted rule of thumb to do a full deckplate when going for big numbers, and they didn't. Just makes me wonder about the durability of it. Hopefully it holds together, or at least the event staff has enough safety barriers in place to keep someone from getting badly hurt. Firepunk's turbine went through a lot of material on it's exit!

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The motor in baccas truck is a deck plate hamilton block.

[J-Pipes]

The motor in baccas truck is a deck plate hamilton block.
I thought it had been stated that the engine in this thread, they're new shredder series, was a sleeved, non deck-plate engine? I could be wrong though.

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[jones95runner]

I thought it had been stated that the engine in this thread, they're new shredder series, was a sleeved, non deck-plate engine? I could be wrong though.

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It's was in the beginning but it didn't last to long lol. Somewhere in the lower mid 2ks it had enough.

[J-Pipes]

It's was in the beginning but it didn't last to long lol. Somewhere in the lower mid 2ks it had enough.
Ok, so they did go deck-plate after the failure. I missed that somehow.

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[Pudge]

A very small number of people will ever need one, but it will be interesting to see if the solid cast blocks are stronger. I imagine they have to be some, but the block splitting at the cam tunnel would need some sort of structural help. It's an exciting time to be alive and interested in diesel motorsports seeing new parts being developed almost daily.

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