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Twoforme2
02-27-2009, 11:53 PM
I will first apologize as this is very long. However In an effort to prevent others from being ripped off by this guy, I feel it necessary to let the great guys at CompD know about the bad dealing of one Mr. Tom Nicholas aka rawdog

On December 9 of 2008 I sent Mr Nicholas a Money order in the amount of $1100 for a turbo he had for sale here in the classifieds http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41439

On December 18, 2008 the package was delivered by UPS with one of the corners smashed and a hole in the box. There was a crack in the Turbine Housing and the Wastegate actuator was bent over. Because of the condition of the box, I just jumped quickly to the conclusion that all the damage was caused by UPS.
I let Mr. Nicholas know about this, and then followed up with a phone call on December 19. He told me that he would contact UPS and file a claim. He also said more than once during the phone call that he would "make it right".
On January 8, 2009 I was informed by Mr. Nicholas that UPS denied the claim, and he had to file a dispute. He asked for pictures of the turbo so he could do so. Pictures were sent.
On January 16 I was getting a little frustrated because My goal was to have the truck put together how I wanted by March 1 and I was running out of time. I tried to get Mr. Nicholas to "make it right" like he said he was going to do.
Mr. Nicholas became very vulgar and offered to give me 500 dollars if I returned the turbo to him so I could "cut my losses".
He informed me that as soon as he got paid from UPS he would NEXT DAY a check to me.
On Feb 4 I contacted Mr. Nicholas again and he said we were still waiting, and he would send a check as soon as it was sent to him. I let him know that it could be repaired for about $500. As I was about ready to give up and just send it to be fixed. I held off, also not knowing if UPS was going to want the turbo back when/if they paid to prove it was destroyed.

So at this point I figured I had nothing to do but wait, and I was still trying to get my truck built, so I made arrangements to buy another turbo.

On February 7 Mr. Nicholas Contacted me and let me know he got a check from UPS and would send out the $500 to fix it. I told him I would rather just send him back the turbo and he can refund my $1100 and then he can do whatever he wished to do with the turbo.
He again got very Vulgar and on Feb 8 said he was just sending the $500 and would be done with this.
So Fine, I wait nothing shows up that week. I try to fine out when he sent it since he said before we would NEXT DAY a check to me. After Mr. Nicholas would not return my e-mails I called him and he said he sent the check by regular mail.
Feb 21, I informed Mr. Nicholas that I had still not recieved him money and if I did not have it by Feb 25 I was going to take further action. I then sent the Turbo off to be repaired. and did not take any action on the 25th as I figured I would wait until I knew for sure what the turbo repair costs were going to be.
I got called today and was informed by the Turbo Company that this turbo had problems, it had been rebuilt at some point because the compressor wheel had worn a groove in the housing, and there was a hole drilled and helicoiled in the housing. A crappy job was done as the helicoil protrudes into the housing. SO now not only does the turbine housing need replaced but also the compressor housing. They did say that the internals were all in brand new shape though. They also sent me pictures of the housing to prove this.
When I contacted Mr. Nicholas again about this today, stating that he sold me what was supposed to be a NEW turbo, and I now had questions as to wether the damage that was on the exhaust housing was there before it ever left his place. He again got very vulgar and accused ME of destroying the turbo.

Mr. Nicholas sold me a turbo that was bad to begin with, despite the damage that may or may not have been caused by UPS. Then Defrauded UPS for another $1100.

SO if you are considering ever doing business with RAWDOG, Mr. Tom Nicholas is someone you should seriously consider avoiding, unless you want to be ripped off and verbally abused!

GRotman
02-28-2009, 12:09 AM
Ouch. Never like seeing these threads.

diesel8128
02-28-2009, 12:53 AM
Sorry about the trouble man, 99.9% of comp-d members are not like this. There is always a bad apple in every bunch.

SwellMel
02-28-2009, 01:11 AM
bummer, I hate being ripped off, I hope that you get it worked out to your satisfaction.

Twoforme2
02-28-2009, 09:32 AM
bummer, I hate being ripped off, I hope that you get it worked out to your satisfaction.

NOPE! He has made it clear he is not paying.

scottsjeeprolet
02-28-2009, 09:40 AM
Your next step is to file a complaint with UPS. See what they will do as you were the recipient and didn't get anything!
That's why i won't buy from anyone who won't use Paypal or credit card. At least you have a little protection. I still got burned for a set of $250 stacks, never got either, paypal found in my favor but there wasn't any funds in the sellers account.

Twoforme2
02-28-2009, 02:10 PM
Your next step is to file a complaint with UPS. See what they will do as you were the recipient and didn't get anything!
That's why i won't buy from anyone who won't use Paypal or credit card. At least you have a little protection. I still got burned for a set of $250 stacks, never got either, paypal found in my favor but there wasn't any funds in the sellers account.

The problem is I did receive the turbo, but it was trashed, Mr. Nicholas then in essence got paid twice for the turbo, and refuses to pay for the damages.

At one point I would have let it go at the $500 repair bill and although I would have been pissed about the compressor housing, but at least I would have got part of the repairs covered!
However Mr. Nicholas was determined from the very start to rip someone off. Regretfully it was me. The UPS issue just added another confusing step to the process, which turned out to benefit Mr. Nicholas for now.

chevydiesel
03-02-2009, 05:49 PM
Man, bad deal!

I'm coming to the conclusion that you can't buy a used turbo that's worth anything from anyone really. There is generally a reason why they're selling it.

I think experiences like this and experiences like mine (see post about twin turbo parts for sale) should dictate the true price of any used turbo, they're not worth much.

Sometimes a road trip and a baseball bat can help fix these problems, you do have a return address right? I'd use it!

BluegrassDiesel
03-02-2009, 05:51 PM
Is he from New York? If its the guy im thinking of I think i have done business with him before. I bought a SledPuller68 and a set of DDP4s. I was very happy with both and he was good to deal with. Sucks to hear about your bad experience though. Hope you get it worked out.

Signature600
03-02-2009, 05:57 PM
Man, bad deal!

I'm coming to the conclusion that you can't buy a used turbo that's worth anything from anyone really. There is generally a reason why they're selling it.

I think experiences like this and experiences like mine (see post about twin turbo parts for sale) should dictate the true price of any used turbo, they're not worth much.

Sometimes a road trip and a baseball bat can help fix these problems, you do have a return address right? I'd use it!


I've bought quite a few used chargers...only ever had a problem with one, and that was probably all my fault:evil

Seriously though, I'll bet I've had close to 25 different chargers on my trucks, over half of them used, and not one issue except the one I caused!

Chris

chevydiesel
03-02-2009, 07:45 PM
Hey, out of the 25 chargers, you got parts for an S300?

My luck ain't so grand.

zstroken
03-02-2009, 07:49 PM
Is he from New York? If its the guy im thinking of I think i have done business with him before. I bought a SledPuller68 and a set of DDP4s. I was very happy with both and he was good to deal with. Sucks to hear about your bad experience though. Hope you get it worked out.

Yea it is the same guy. He bought that sledpuller 68 from me.

rawdog
03-02-2009, 08:32 PM
heres the deal,i never told this guy that i was not going to pay him.i never thought this charger was a piece of ****.i bought it as new and i did not want to run it so i sold it.when this all went down,and ups wrecked it,i went up one side them and down the other.while all this was happening,this guy wanted me to refund his money.when i explained to him that i was not responsible for ups and damage(i would not expect this out of anyone),i felt as if i were being threatened by mike because he was already talking about trashing me.i let him know i was upset about his bull****.so some time passes and i am contacted by ups saying they are not going to cover it.so i tell him that this is what is going on and he fully expects me to pay him his money back.i let it go and in the mean time open a review of the claim.i wait for ups a while more and finally get something in the mail what i thought was a check.in the mean time i contacted mike and offered to buy the damaged turbo back for what the repairs were going to be so he would be out half,and i would be out half.i thought this to be fair.at the time i thought i had the check from ups,i asked him to get a price to get it fixed,he did and i told him to get it fixed(all based on me getting paid for the claim).when i told him this he told me he had made other arraingements.by this time i truely have not gotten a check.i am pissed now that i have gone through 2.5 months and all this bull**** and it now seems to me that he is backing out and is expecting me to foot the bill.i sit on it a while and finally get a check in the mail from ups.this whole time he is assuming the worst,telling me i have the money all ready and i am screwing him.i got the check last thursday.he does not know for how much or anything,so after going back and fourth by email,he threatenes me and gives me "my last chance".i dont take kindly to this,so i am pissed.he has no facts about what i was paid or not paid and he does not know when i was paid and after a couple of times of telling me he is going to "bring it public",**** him.and for the record,i would not sell anything i knew to be a piece of ****.i sold it as it was sold to me.anyone who i have done any transactions with on comp d knows this.i had on misunderstanding once whewe i thought a set of boots was complete and it turned out there was one missing.i offered to fix it and i was told that he was all set.other than that i have done thousands of dollars of buisness on this sight and have never had a problem.and yes after i was threatened by him many times,i told him he was on his own.i dont tollerate people like this any time any where.do i owe him the money for the repair,yes.anything else absolutely not.had he not acted like an asshole from the day after he recieved the damaged item,he would have paid already.so now that it is out in the open,i hope you guys see both sides.i dont think i blatenly said i was not paying .he needs to stop being a douche bag and he will have the money that i have sent on saturday.

chevydiesel
03-02-2009, 10:00 PM
Where are the uppercase letters at the beginning of the sentences?

Just curious, ha!

I still smell bull, you know what, in this because I have gotten good at smelling it when coming out of others.

Twoforme2
03-02-2009, 10:50 PM
heres the deal,i never told this guy that i was not going to pay him.i never thought this charger was a piece of ****.i bought it as new and i did not want to run it so i sold it.when this all went down,and ups wrecked it,i went up one side them and down the other.while all this was happening,this guy wanted me to refund his money.when i explained to him that i was not responsible for ups and damage(i would not expect this out of anyone),i felt as if i were being threatened by mike because he was already talking about trashing me.i let him know i was upset about his bull****.so some time passes and i am contacted by ups saying they are not going to cover it.so i tell him that this is what is going on and he fully expects me to pay him his money back.i let it go and in the mean time open a review of the claim.i wait for ups a while more and finally get something in the mail what i thought was a check.in the mean time i contacted mike and offered to buy the damaged turbo back for what the repairs were going to be so he would be out half,and i would be out half.i thought this to be fair.at the time i thought i had the check from ups,i asked him to get a price to get it fixed,he did and i told him to get it fixed(all based on me getting paid for the claim).when i told him this he told me he had made other arraingements.by this time i truely have not gotten a check.i am pissed now that i have gone through 2.5 months and all this bull**** and it now seems to me that he is backing out and is expecting me to foot the bill.i sit on it a while and finally get a check in the mail from ups.this whole time he is assuming the worst,telling me i have the money all ready and i am screwing him.i got the check last thursday.he does not know for how much or anything,so after going back and fourth by email,he threatenes me and gives me "my last chance".i dont take kindly to this,so i am pissed.he has no facts about what i was paid or not paid and he does not know when i was paid and after a couple of times of telling me he is going to "bring it public",**** him.and for the record,i would not sell anything i knew to be a piece of ****.i sold it as it was sold to me.anyone who i have done any transactions with on comp d knows this.i had on misunderstanding once whewe i thought a set of boots was complete and it turned out there was one missing.i offered to fix it and i was told that he was all set.other than that i have done thousands of dollars of buisness on this sight and have never had a problem.and yes after i was threatened by him many times,i told him he was on his own.i dont tollerate people like this any time any where.do i owe him the money for the repair,yes.anything else absolutely not.had he not acted like an asshole from the day after he recieved the damaged item,he would have paid already.so now that it is out in the open,i hope you guys see both sides.i dont think i blatenly said i was not paying .he needs to stop being a douche bag and he will have the money that i have sent on saturday.

Like I said before YOU told me how much it was insured for in a phone call. Secondly on Feb 7 YOU said you had a check from UPS.

I did not act like an asshole from the day I got the turbo. In fact if you would like we can publicize the e-mail string since the first day. I was extremely patient, and level headed, I only got pissed when you did not do what you said you were going to do, REPEATEDLY!

Then even more pissed when I got a call saying that not only was the exhaust housing cracked, but the compressor housing was trashed as well. There is no way in the world this was a NEW turbo, like you had advertised.

SO, now as of right now I have a repair bill over $750 bucks to pay and that is if there is nothing wrong with the internals. At first glance they said they were OK, but I asked them to please double check the whole thing based upon the condition of the rest of the turbo. I will know for sure the entire bill in the next day or two.

As for sending the money, feel free to do so, You have my address. If you send enough to cover the repairs I will send you the broken parts for a souvenier if you would like.

partsguy662
03-02-2009, 10:54 PM
The emails stay between the two parties.....Post them, this thread disappears..

Twoforme2
03-02-2009, 11:14 PM
The emails stay between the two parties.....Post them, this thread disappears..

That's cool, I was not going to post any e-mails without permission from him, for legal reasons.
HOWEVER now that I know CompD's position I wont post any e-mails.
Thanks for the heads up! It is greatly appreciated.

BigPapa
03-02-2009, 11:31 PM
...how much it was insured for...

I'm not trying to take sides, I don't have a dog in this hunt, but UPS doesn't necessarily pay what it's insured for. I've had 2 problems with UPS that I've had to file a claim for in my 30+ years of dealing with them in my business. Both times I had sold some parts that had to be shipped out. The packages were insured for what the customer paid (retail) for the parts but UPS wouldn't pay retail, they would only pay my cost. Basically from their point of view, they're paying for replacing the parts for me to ship to my customer. I made money on the sale, I'm not supposed to make money on the claim. Makes sense.

Now for the real kicker, and yes, I have my firesuit on........the receiver, the person who paid for the parts, is not responsible at all for shipping damage. That's why he cannot make a claim, or even initiate a tracer for a lost shipment, the shipper has to. UPS will only pay the shipper on a claim, not the receiver. In this situation, the shipper should either replace what was damaged or refund the money for the sale and file a claim with UPS to get their money back. UPS says they won't pay, appeal, climb the chain of command. Both times I made a claim it was initially denied but after I went to the next level and produced a damaged box it was paid.

Like I said, I don't have a dog in this hunt, I don't know either one of these fellas, and I'm not trying to take sides, just giving my $.02 worth from my experiences as a shipper.

Scott

rawdog
03-03-2009, 07:46 AM
i am not saying that they didnt pay,i am saying that this whole problem stemmed from mike jumping the gun on me,calling me out from the get go and being an asshole about the whole thing.the problem was not my fault at all and his inpatience is what brought it to this point.

chevydiesel
03-03-2009, 09:25 AM
Hmm Dec 18th - Feb 25th, hardly an example of impatience... ~70 days or so...

-Someone has to point out the obvious.

diesel8128
03-03-2009, 11:06 AM
Just make it right

rawdog
03-03-2009, 07:44 PM
as i stated that the impatience was from day one.also as i stated,money was sent before all this posted for the amount i had from the insurance.

Twoforme2
03-03-2009, 09:39 PM
Impatience? String me out for 2 and a half months and I am impatient? Had you done what you said from the start, this would not even be an issue.

As for sending the money already...well, I will believe it when I see it, because that has been said more than once as well.

BTW the bill is $800 to get it back to the condition it should have been in to begin with.

Twoforme2
03-08-2009, 12:48 PM
Still no money!!!!

Camotanker
03-08-2009, 01:33 PM
the buyer being an asshole or not, this thread is crap. pay that man his money you owe him.

if the turbo would have been packaged correctly, this wouldn't have been a problem. i've purchased 4 turbos in my time and they all come armored in foam and stuffing to protect them in a solid think cardboard box.

this sounds like a bad case of the shipping party throwing a turbo into a box loose, in a thin walled box and calling it good. i bet that turbo was insured for $1000 too.

refund this guy his money and do the standup thing. this is total BS and takes away the trust alot of us have for each other in the diesel world and the purchases we make.

take him to small claims bro if he doesn't refund your money; ALL OF IT! i believe the law would be on your side with this. call UPS yourself and see how much they paid out.

CrashCade
03-08-2009, 02:19 PM
the buyer being an asshole or not, this thread is crap. pay that man his money you owe him.

if the turbo would have been packaged correctly, this wouldn't have been a problem. i've purchased 4 turbos in my time and they all come armored in foam and stuffing to protect them in a solid think cardboard box.

this sounds like a bad case of the shipping party throwing a turbo into a box loose, in a thin walled box and calling it good. i bet that turbo was insured for $1000 too.

refund this guy his money and do the standup thing. this is total BS and takes away the trust alot of us have for each other in the diesel world and the purchases we make.

take him to small claims bro if he doesn't refund your money; ALL OF IT! i believe the law would be on your side with this. call UPS yourself and see how much they paid out.


X2 here. Man, this is nonsense. As soon as you knew it was damaged, you should have arranged to have it returned to you and returned the money to him. Period end of story.

Put yourself in his shoes and see how patient you would have been with this situation. Stop calling him an asshole and be a stand up guy and FIX IT.

It is the SELLERS responsibility NO MATTER WHAT. He paid you $1100 for a NEW turbo and he got a box of worthless trash! FIX IT!

BC06PSD
03-09-2009, 11:09 AM
The way I see it. Lets say I bought a TV from Walmart, took it out of the box and found it to be damaged. Then I took it back to Walmart and asked for a refund, would they repay me only half of my money "to make it fair to everyone?" Hell no, if its damaged in shipping its 100% sellers responsibility. I would only accept a 100% refund on this one.

Twoforme2
03-09-2009, 08:52 PM
Well guys, I did get a money order today, for $500. It does not cover the complete repairs of this turbo, but at least it was something.

As for Mr. Nicholas, to further prove his character and intentions:
He stated here on March 2
"do i owe him the money for the repair,yes.anything else absolutely not."
"he needs to stop being a douche bag and he will have the money that i have sent on saturday. "

The money order and postdate on the envelope was March 3rd, quite coincidentally, the day after he noticed this thread. Also after I had already stated what the cost of the repairs were up to that point.

FWIW this turbo WAS NOT damaged in shipping, I have a letter from HTT stating that the damages to the turbine housing were from OVERHEATING, the damages to the Compressor housing were also evidence it was not a NEW turbo.

So now the question remains whether I pursue this in the court system for the rest of the cost of repairs as well as report his fraud to UPS or do I drop it?
I guess I have a few things to think about.


THANK YOU to everyone that read this and I hope my experience will help prevent this from happening to someone else.

jackblack99
03-09-2009, 11:22 PM
take this dude through the ringer.. tell ups about the fraud.. call a lawyer and see what you can do.. but i wouldnt cash that money order yet. this jackass deserves it. i hate dishonest ppl. i just got ripped on a trans i bought... the kid i bought it from had bought it from a "friend" and was gonna try and make a lil $$. no problem with that.. so he sells me a trans that is supposed to to be a completely rebuilt trans with a BD converter and trans go shift kit.. well lemme tell ya its not.. its a stock slush box and the kid i got it from doesnt have the $$ any more cause he only made $50 after paying the kid he got the trans from. and the kid he got it from said it worked fine when it was in his truck and there was no guaruntee or warranty so he doesnt have to do anything. it wasnt even in my truck a week and went out agian. and was never right from go. so screw this dude.. take him for everything you deserve.

chevydiesel
03-11-2009, 01:15 AM
this turbo WAS NOT damaged in shipping, I have a letter from HTT stating that the damages to the turbine housing were from OVERHEATING, the damages to the Compressor housing were also evidence it was not a NEW turbo

Geez this sounds all too familiar, 4THEFUN sells stuff like this too, and it's amazing how they don't have the money when you find this out too...

Kman9090
03-11-2009, 01:56 AM
Sorry to say but by the time you get threw with all the court crap its proably going to cost you more then just replacing the turbo.

jackblack99
03-11-2009, 05:47 PM
Sorry to say but by the time you get threw with all the court crap its proably going to cost you more then just replacing the turbo.

im sure it would.. but.. if they find in twoforme2's favor then the defendant has to pay the court cost as well as the $$ that was owed to the plaintiff. so maybe that would make him think twice the next time he wants to rip someone off.

coon smile
03-11-2009, 05:53 PM
take this dude through the ringer.. tell ups about the fraud.. call a lawyer and see what you can do.. but i wouldnt cash that money order yet. this jackass deserves it. i hate dishonest ppl. i just got ripped on a trans i bought... the kid i bought it from had bought it from a "friend" and was gonna try and make a lil $$. no problem with that.. so he sells me a trans that is supposed to to be a completely rebuilt trans with a BD converter and trans go shift kit.. well lemme tell ya its not.. its a stock slush box and the kid i got it from doesnt have the $$ any more cause he only made $50 after paying the kid he got the trans from. and the kid he got it from said it worked fine when it was in his truck and there was no guaruntee or warranty so he doesnt have to do anything. it wasnt even in my truck a week and went out agian. and was never right from go. so screw this dude.. take him for everything you deserve.

dont blame the middle man...talk to the guy who originally had the transmission

jackblack99
03-12-2009, 10:45 PM
dont blame the middle man...talk to the guy who originally had the transmission

i didnt blame him. ive talked to him many times about it. i know its whoever he got it from. and i cant talk to the original owner.. he wont give me his #. he told me the guy he got the trans from said it was fine when it was in his truck and there wasnt a warranty or guaruntee.. im not blaming anyone but the original owner.. he's the one that screwed me and the middle man.


i cant even remember the real name of the guy i bought it from... not gonna post his screen name cause he wasnt at fault here...

Camotanker
03-12-2009, 11:14 PM
Well guys, I did get a money order today, for $500. It does not cover the complete repairs of this turbo, but at least it was something.

As for Mr. Nicholas, to further prove his character and intentions:
He stated here on March 2
"do i owe him the money for the repair,yes.anything else absolutely not."
"he needs to stop being a douche bag and he will have the money that i have sent on saturday. "

The money order and postdate on the envelope was March 3rd, quite coincidentally, the day after he noticed this thread. Also after I had already stated what the cost of the repairs were up to that point.

FWIW this turbo WAS NOT damaged in shipping, I have a letter from HTT stating that the damages to the turbine housing were from OVERHEATING, the damages to the Compressor housing were also evidence it was not a NEW turbo.

So now the question remains whether I pursue this in the court system for the rest of the cost of repairs as well as report his fraud to UPS or do I drop it?
I guess I have a few things to think about.


THANK YOU to everyone that read this and I hope my experience will help prevent this from happening to someone else.

DUDE... please post the letter on here. i want to see this! proof is in the pudding. nail it home for me.

9 LIVES
03-14-2009, 03:56 PM
Personally wouldn't ***** over a couple hundred bucks. You've lost to much sleep over spilled milk here.

"buyer beware" buying anything over the internet can be dangerous. No contract signed no agreements no nothing to make it hold up in court. I've gotten burned over thousands of dollars worth of crap from buying over the net. I do most of my buying hands on whenever I can if not I buy from a reputable large dealer that can handle situations like this without missing a beat.