DT466 build questions.

[RonA]

I would like to do a DT466 build. I have a lower output (750cc) 13mm CDS p7100 I would like to run on it along with a set of twins. Would it be foolish to start off with a stock short block(completely rebuilt and balanced), or is that just a disaster looking for a place to happen.

[BlackSkyRacing]

I would like to do a DT466 build. I have a lower output (750cc) 13mm CDS p7100 I would like to run on it along with a set of twins. Would it be foolish to start off with a stock short block(completely rebuilt and balanced), or is that just a disaster looking for a place to happen.

You would be suprised at how much the stock bottom end on these will handle... Not sure on the rods, which block do you have? Also, are you going to try and run the stock aluminum adapter plate for the IP???

Then the big question, what are you going to be doing with it?:poke:

[Distributor]

You'll need firerings, And the heavier dozer intake manifold, and maybe a good set of injector hold downs,your almost to the level of needing a girdle as well.

Depending on where you want to end up hp wise determines what you need, where do you want to be.

Eric

[RonA]

I was told once that 1200hp would not be unreasonable. No sledpulling, or drag racing. Max rpm around 3600. Just a nice delivery vehicle with an occasional trip to a dyno.

[Distributor]

1200 hp out of a DT is plenty do-able We have one that is well over 2x that.

[RonA]

1200 hp out of a DT is plenty do-able We have one that is well over 2x that.

I have heard that from a couple of people. The problem is that there isn't alot of information available about a high performance build. Hypermax makes alot of stuff for them, but I'd like to know if I can start out with a low mileage motor, do a complete rebuild with whatever parts and procedures are recommended, and end up with something that will make it to the dyno and back. If I need to start out with a custom cast block, head, crank, and $10k worth of rods, and sleeve kit, I will probably just have another 5.9 built.

[Distributor]

For only 1200 hp no need to get crazy with high dollar parts.

You'll need what I posted in my first post and I would get a set of Hyper's sleeves that have firerings in them, A set of rod bolts,a stock "+" head(the best casting),and maybe a "00" cam.
The rest of the stock parts will hold it.

[RonA]

Thank you for the information. I have a burned up motor to do the mock up, and have located a 1990 model engine with 123k mile on it. Do you happen to know what years might have the "+" head, or is it marked on the head casting somewhere? When they balance one of these engines, do they just balance the rod/piston assembly, or do they balance the crank also. I had a small block balanced once and they balanced everything from the harmonic balancer to the pressure plate.

[Distributor]

The plus can be found under the intake manifold its prolly a 1" or so "+" I'll see if I can find the years.
We balance everything. for only 3600 its not really needed, But its pretty cheap and then its already done if you want to turn the wick up some more.

Eric

[smokin binder]

I thought the NGD version was the one to get. The one that started in 93, with the intake & valve cover integral, and factory P-pump.
Ron, if you get it up to that kind of power, I wanna go for a spin!!! Is the drive train going to handle it? That's my fear of building a high hp work truck.

[RonA]

I thought the NGD version was the one to get. The one that started in 93, with the intake & valve cover integral, and factory P-pump.
Ron, if you get it up to that kind of power, I wanna go for a spin!!! Is the drive train going to handle it? That's my fear of building a high hp work truck.

You wouldn't like riding with me. I drive like a blind grandpa that's stoned. I sometimes go a month without seeing over 25lbs of boost.

[smokin binder]

Then I don't understand the quest for a 1200hp 466. I'm sure you could sneak past 30 pounds once or twice. It gets addictive.
Here's one of my work trucks:
YouTube - DT466 IH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbw7J3zXA4E)

[RonA]

I'm 54 years old. I don't go out cruising looking for people to race. My old first gen is so homely looking that only the young and foolish(usually jacked up, big tired Ford owners) ever pester me out on the road. Do I enjoy preying on them? You bet. It just doesn't happen very often. I built this last set of twins to see if I could tone down the torque a bit. It worked well and I think more cubic inches would be the next logical step.

[smokin binder]

So, you're putting a 466 in a pickup? I know what you mean about the homely truck. I have a 67 F100 that has 5 different colors on it, and powered by a hopped up 6.
I'm a 466 fan, so whatever you do with it will be golden in my eyes. I had started a 466 swap into a Super Duty...but that's another sad story.

[gwhammy]

Ron, if your going to build a dt why not put big sleeves in it and make it big to start. Lot of dt's around 600 inch in pulling tractors around here. Hart's diesel in Fayette,Mo. do alot of dt466 stuff in pulling tractors. They have there own dyno and make some real big horsepower out of the binders. You might get some info from them.

[bsmith]

I'm 54 years old. I don't go out cruising looking for people to race. My old first gen is so homely looking that only the young and foolish(usually jacked up, big tired Ford owners) ever pester me out on the road. Do I enjoy preying on them? You bet. It just doesn't happen very often. I built this last set of twins to see if I could tone down the torque a bit. It worked well and I think more cubic inches would be the next logical step.



I dont go out looking to race people either, but i do like going to secluded area and running it a little.

I dont know how you can resist using the power:poke:

[RonA]

Should be getting quotes back in the next week or so from 2 places about getting this built. I'll be sure to be sitting down when I read them.

[Spectre32]

IS this hypermax place the same as Hypermax -Ford Power Stroke Diesel Performance Ford Diesel Power, 5"exhaust, Mach 7, power chip, injectors, intercoolers, turbochargers
(http://www.gohypermax.com?) I see nothing on there about DT466's.

[SuperSonic]

Hypermax (http://hypermaxtractor.com)



http://hypermaxtractor.com/images/Products/97db1d6d-9404-4745-bcd8-3dfdbf8b4f4fRgsPs453x498.jpg

[Spectre32]

There website seems pretty Limited. Do they have more if you call them or something?

[SuperSonic]

IF you can get through the receptionist to one of the guys in back, they can probably give you more info.
There are other places you should call aswell. Like Gene's Machine Shop (http://www.genesmachineshop.com) Met's Machine Shop (http://www.metsmachineshop.com)

[JOHNBOY]

IF you can get through the receptionist to one of the guys in back, they can probably give you more info.
There are other places you should call aswell. Like Gene's Machine Shop (http://www.genesmachineshop.com) Met's Machine Shop (http://www.metsmachineshop.com)

You just need to sweet talk a little more Chris. :rules:
I never seem to have trouble getting a hold of Brent.:rockwoot:

[smokin binder]

You can also use the "contact us" on their page, and usually Max himself will answer your questions. That's where I got the "1000hp for $10k" and "600hp on stock injectors" from.
Ron, an in-frame kit for a 466 is one of the cheapest out there. I see cheap crap ones for around 1200, but OEM is the way to go, and those are at least 1400......depending on the dealer.

[RonA]

I'm not looking for the cheapest way to go. What I'd really like to do is buy a properly built long block. I'm sure that there are alot of little tricks these guys have learned over the years. Tricks that might make the difference between driving home and riding home.

[pwrstrokenstang]

i know they live at 4500rpm on stock bottom end....

[Extended Power]

What kind of power can be made with the stock cam?

Where can a fella look into buying a long block for a rebuild?

At what point do you need to beef up the bottom end?

[pwrstrokenstang]

i would get a cam ground, its only about 300 bucks.

[smokin binder]

What kind of power can be made with the stock cam?

Where can a fella look into buying a long block for a rebuild?

At what point do you need to beef up the bottom end?
From what Hypermax says, 600hp is the line to where the real money starts to spend. You could probably get 1000hp from a stock everything internal, but it's cheap insurance to make a good build out of it. The bottom end, as far as my comfort level would be anything past 4000rpm and/ or about 600hp. You can find core long blocks and "rebuilder" blocks at many truck bone yards across the country. I saw one for 1000, and it was a 95 with a P-pump too.

[RonA]

I got quotes from 2 places on the build. Out of my league for sure. Modest build, minus the injectors would run 25k or so. That's for a power level that my 5.9 could approach. For a more substantial level, around 45k without fuel system. By the time fuel, tranny, and new chargers were factored in, it would probably be in the 70k range.

[Extended Power]

I got quotes from 2 places on the build. Out of my league for sure. Modest build, minus the injectors would run 25k or so. That's for a power level that my 5.9 could approach. For a more substantial level, around 45k without fuel system. By the time fuel, tranny, and new chargers were factored in, it would probably be in the 70k range.

Well.......I'm out...:bang

[pwrstrokenstang]

700hp would prob only be 10k or so for everything.

[RonA]

700hp would prob only be 10k or so for everything.

But doing the swap for less than 1k hp is pointless. You can easily daily drive an 850hp 5.9.

[pwrstrokenstang]

o i agree. if you are not shootin for 1k-2500 hp then 5.9 might as well stay.

[smokin binder]

o i agree. if you are not shootin for 1k-2500 hp then 5.9 might as well stay.

Or, if you show off under the hood at shows. It would be quite a spectacle.:rockwoot: