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NADM Marketing
09-24-2009, 06:15 AM
Just testing the waters here (no pun intended:doh:), water injection in competition?

At what levels (classes)? Just water, methanol, propane how do we regulate and/or test for levels?

A lot of questions we need to find out more about? Any suggestions?

triton
09-24-2009, 06:50 AM
If this is to determine how to regulate in a class of racing....IMO Ron, I don't think water injection is a concern. There's several threads going back and forth about it and whether it's a power adder or just a method of cooling. I don't believe it does enough even with meth added to deliver extra hp to be unfair.

Your not going to be able to measure meth levels in the water without getting scientific but, if anyone is running too much they'll find out on their own it was a bad idea.

I don't know a lot about propane but, think it should be looked at as NOS, It's a gas and power adder. If it is used, it definitely needs to be hard installed as opposed to the way that guy in Reynolds did it LOL If you didn't see it.... the bottle was laying next to him in the cab and the truck ran away at the end of his run as he frantically tried to get it turned off :doh:

just my $.02

JerrodGlover
09-24-2009, 07:59 AM
The meth can be measured with a simple Specific Gravity Gauge.

triton
09-24-2009, 08:23 AM
The meth can be measured with a simple Specific Gravity Gauge.

I imagine it could but, who's got time in tech to do that. Also, even if you do measure it.... what are you finding ? I don't see a limit on percentage used of being a way to control anything.

zstroken
09-24-2009, 08:37 AM
3.0 level and higher. You will see alot of guys talking about needing it at lower levels, cause they are burning down, there are several who are keeping their engines together just fine without it.

Dockboy
09-24-2009, 08:40 AM
I don't believe it does enough even with meth added to deliver extra hp to be unfair.



Ty, meth can add 70+ hp :poke:

Regardless, this is my 2 cents:

Drag Racing-

If it's an index or bracket class, who cares what you are running? You either race to the index or your dial-in. :confused:

If it's a heads up class, who cares what you are running? first one to the line wins? :confused:


Sledpullers-

They cry about everything so it's a "no win" situation there:bang

JerrodGlover
09-24-2009, 09:22 AM
I would say no meth. It keeps things easy. This is of coarse in Pulling (What trucks are meant to do.) I could care less about that racing stuff.

Cummin-a-long
09-24-2009, 09:46 AM
I've run it on the dyno for comparison at a 20% / 80% solution of meth / water and I saw a grand total of 6 HP difference between runs.

No water/ meth made 736, 20% solution made 742.

6 HP could be attributed to someone sneezing in front of the intake.

It does a lot more for cooling than it does power adding.

Micheal Tomac
09-24-2009, 09:52 AM
If you're not going to test the water don't bother allowing it.

RAWdiesel
09-24-2009, 10:00 AM
I've run it on the dyno for comparison at a 20% / 80% solution of meth / water and I saw a grand total of 6 HP difference between runs.

No water/ meth made 736, 20% solution made 742.

6 HP could be attributed to someone sneezing in front of the intake.

It does a lot more for cooling than it does power adding.

Depends on the truck setup. Allow it in the 3.0 and up,
keep it out of workstock, 2.6

Cummin-a-long
09-24-2009, 10:03 AM
Depends on the truck setup.

Correct. If the truck isn't blowing any smoke, it'll benefit more from the meth, as it's a fuel.

If the truck is rollin' coal, he's already using all the air he has, so the meth won't have much effect other than cooling.

Same thing with the propane. It's all well and good, but it's just fuel. If the turbo has no more air to offer, the extra fuel isn't doing any good.

Bad-Duvall
09-24-2009, 11:20 AM
I say RUN IT! all compressed gasses stay out though

Soup Nazi
09-24-2009, 11:29 AM
Of course allow pure water. Supply the water for the event. That'll avoid testing of everyones mixture and the few that sneak in some meth, etc.

all that other stuff has no place in Diesel comp, IMO only.

2Tone12V
09-25-2009, 08:18 PM
3.0 level and higher. You will see alot of guys talking about needing it at lower levels, cause they are burning down, there are several who are keeping their engines together just fine without it.

That will teach em'! They need to either jump up a class and remove the bushing. Or do some de-tuning. Screw water. No necessary anywhere if you ask me.

AGtremely Hooked
09-25-2009, 09:00 PM
water in 3.0 in up! if someone you expect is cheating with an additive then you should be allowed to protest that ones truck by putting up money. if found illegal then there banned from pulling with NADM for one yr and a day! if found legal then they keep the money that the person put up for protesting (usually around 500$) meth, propane, alc, can all be tested after the run. thru there water jets, pistons or water tank. what ever you need to tear down to deem that person legal or illegal....

SmokinRamMike
09-25-2009, 09:09 PM
Why not supply the water and or water/meth that is set at a premixed % for racers or pullers wanting to use them in there class? If it is made legal to use, then you need a way to regulate it right?

zstroken
09-25-2009, 09:25 PM
Whos to say that the supplied water is the tank they are running from. There have been several guys this year that have been running water in non water classes. So if they cheat in those, why not cheat in something else?
For that matter why not just run the bottle, oh wait we have some of those too! Cheating is cheating.

SmokinRamMike
09-25-2009, 10:02 PM
Your right cheating is cheating, and cheaters will always cheat. Those competitors will get there's. What if you outlaw any tank brought in by the racer. Have certified NADM Tanks with quick connect fittings that hold the premixed H20/Meth. And I am sure someone has tamper proof lids for said tank setup. Also we still have tech inspections if I recall. You see a bottle or something that looks funny, CALL THEM OUT!

zstroken
09-25-2009, 10:12 PM
Your right cheating is cheating, and cheaters will always cheat. Those competitors will get there's. What if you outlaw any tank brought in by the racer. Have certified NADM Tanks with quick connect fittings that hold the premixed H20/Meth. And I am sure someone has tamper proof lids for said tank setup. Also we still have tech inspections if I recall. You see a bottle or something that looks funny, CALL THEM OUT!

Too much trouble for the tanks and all.

SmokinRamMike
09-25-2009, 10:22 PM
This is true. But I am just giving means of regulation. It is up to the masses if they want to allow H20/Meth or not. Just don't rule it out because you think someone is going to cheat.

97' CTD
09-26-2009, 09:25 AM
No 2.6", to much room for cheat.
Brandon

Bosshawg600
09-26-2009, 03:27 PM
I think it should be allowed in 3.0 and up and thats it!



Oh and if need be, I can get the water donated! Kinda like a sponsorship of sorts....

SmokinRamMike
09-26-2009, 05:23 PM
Oh and if need be, I can get the water donated! Kinda like a sponsorship of sorts....

I heard that stuff is hard to come by now a days!:hehe:

Bosshawg600
09-26-2009, 05:53 PM
Auctualy My Dad is a Instalation Specialist for a Large Non-Electric Water softener company, Im sure the could do some National Sponsorship!

07dodge
09-28-2009, 10:34 AM
Allow it! I have melted mine down twice this year, due to extreme EGTs

zstroken
09-28-2009, 10:36 AM
Allow it! I have melted mine down twice this year, due to extreme EGTs


Maybe you should turn down the wick some? I could melt mine down too, look at my avatar pic, those were 2100 degree EGT's. There are many guys with CR's that are burning them down, but there are some that are staying together just fine too.

1sik12v
09-28-2009, 10:41 AM
water/meth is an engine saver not neccesarily a power adder,yes a little but not enough to wine about!!!! so any class should be able to run it. you can buy it for your daily rig let it go. yes i know you can buy nitrous too but it is illegall on the street do there you go.

Charles
09-28-2009, 10:48 AM
Who cares about the methanol? If somebody wants to run combustibles across the intake valves on a compression ignition engine, let them be, lol.

Now what surprises me, is with people dissecting water/methanol percentages to this degree, why hasn't anyone mentioned pump lube? Are you going to screen the water to see what percentage of pump lube was added for the guys running a haldex/barnes hydraulic pump for the water after you screen for methanol, or nitromethane?

:D

Also, the effectiveness of water is determined by the charge air temps that exist without the water. If a truck is well intercooled then water isn't a big deal at all. If a truck is not well intercooled, or intercooled at all, then water becomes a much bigger deal altogether.

As for the ones running a bunch of methanol, just let natural selection run its course on that.

Joesixpack
09-28-2009, 11:47 AM
Who cares about the methanol? If somebody wants to run combustibles across the intake valves on a compression ignition engine, let them be, lol.

Now what surprises me, is with people dissecting water/methanol percentages to this degree, why hasn't anyone mentioned pump lube? Are you going to screen the water to see what percentage of pump lube was added for the guys running a haldex/barnes hydraulic pump for the water after you screen for methanol, or nitromethane?

:D

Also, the effectiveness of water is determined by the charge air temps that exist without the water. If a truck is well intercooled then water isn't a big deal at all. If a truck is not well intercooled, or intercooled at all, then water becomes a much bigger deal altogether.

As for the ones running a bunch of methanol, just let natural selection run its course on that.



X2
Maximum power will be netted by those who can aftercool to the lowest degree and run without water. Wet air is less dense than dry air.

However, there will always be a point were piston crown temps run away, and the only way to maintain that same power level is to cool with water.

I say let them run water or whatever they want to put in the tank on anything above work-stock.

Natural selection will weed out the meth.

RAWdiesel
09-28-2009, 12:04 PM
Allow it! I have melted mine down twice this year, due to extreme EGTs

I think you should look else where as to why your melting. What type of timing and pressures you running?

Micheal Tomac
09-28-2009, 12:36 PM
Water is a "crutch" like propane and nitrous.

Charles
09-28-2009, 03:13 PM
Water is a "crutch" like propane and nitrous.


Some people seem to limp themselves along rather nicely on crutches...

http://image.automotive.com/f/events/11177358+pheader/0811dp_01_z+2008_competition_diesel_drag_race+sche id_diesel_dragster.jpg

outlaw99
09-28-2009, 03:28 PM
wes, stock trucks are melting because of long hot egt's, there is no variable for a stock truck like timing or pressure, rather just the fact these cr trucks arent built as strong as a 12v or older 24v. allow it, hell everything else is aloowed besides nitrous I say keep that out thats fine but allow water.

RAWdiesel
09-29-2009, 04:42 AM
wes, stock trucks are melting because of long hot egt's, there is no variable for a stock truck like timing or pressure, rather just the fact these cr trucks arent built as strong as a 12v or older 24v. allow it, hell everything else is aloowed besides nitrous I say keep that out thats fine but allow water.

What are long hot egts? How hot and how long?

Ive got two years of hard pulling in on the same engine. Water is not needed in a 2.6 classes. Common Rails do not need it.

triton
09-29-2009, 06:42 AM
I think you should look else where as to why your melting. What type of timing and pressures you running?

I'd agree. Since my rebuild, I've not had an issue other than a cracked head 3yrs later which is inevitable anyway..... my truck has seen some heat !! There's been several times I've hot lapped up to 3 times ( not real wise though) Water might have helped a little in keeping the heat at bay but, IMO it's not necessary. Paying attention to programming variables makes a whole lot of difference.

I also drag race and apparently it's not as much as concern with others who drag as this thread is all sled pullers. If it's allowed for you guys, provisions need to be in place for water testing at the scales after your pulls. That or have classes that allow it and others that don't... the easier route

outlaw99
09-29-2009, 06:50 AM
I mean like 1600 deg. for a couple seconds... it seems the older 24v and 12v could hold 2000* for longer than we can 1600? maybe im wrong not sure, but I would love to be able to use water on my truck...lol it gets hot, maybe its my mp8?

triton
09-29-2009, 06:58 AM
My truck was typically at 1600* by the 1/8th so I could only imagine what the cylinder temps were. I always keep an eye on my water temp to try and gauge what's going on there.

Actually, I think CR's handle heat better than the older trucks do. They were built to run hotter. 1400* sustained on a stock truck is normal where on a 24v, that is pushing it. This is in a stock scenario though where defueling helps avoid issue

RAWdiesel
09-29-2009, 07:17 AM
Im pushing over 1800* during runs down the track. And thats 40-50 pulls on it last year, and nearing 40 for this year and counting, same motor. CRs take heat fairly well.

Like Triton said, you need to look at your programming, your rail pressure gauge and what level your running the timing at. Trucks are melting down due to something wrong.

outlaw99
09-29-2009, 07:48 AM
When you keep saying timing I imagine you are talking about the timing on the boxes correct? I have my timing setup as bob told me to run it. on 3 for large aftermarket injectors which is less timing than stock I believe. Now I havent melted this new motor down but I only have 2 hooks and maybe 500 miles on it. I did however have a blown headgaket. the way it looks the heat in the cylinder had to be hot* hot*... Idk. what boxes are you running wes, triton, should I ditch the mp8?

Rods
09-29-2009, 07:48 AM
With the wright combo of water/meth and the % its activated one gain make some HP local guy here with a 03 CR made an extra 90+ hp with the boost juice they played with the % on the controller this was on dumbars dyno at TS

outlaw99
09-29-2009, 07:53 AM
but I can make a extra 100hp with a parking brake on a dyno? I hate dyno's

triton
09-29-2009, 08:19 AM
When you keep saying timing I imagine you are talking about the timing on the boxes correct? I have my timing setup as bob told me to run it. on 3 for large aftermarket injectors which is less timing than stock I believe. Now I havent melted this new motor down but I only have 2 hooks and maybe 500 miles on it. I did however have a blown headgaket. the way it looks the heat in the cylinder had to be hot* hot*... Idk. what boxes are you running wes, triton, should I ditch the mp8?

what you set things on your programmers to totally depends on what you have mod wise. I run the TNT/R and never put the timing on anything other than #1 and only run the even numbered programs. The timing added from running larger injectors along with that setting was the sweet spot.... for my truck.

There could have been several reasons you blew the HG...i,e. head or block not true, too much timing, too much boost, not torqued correctly..etc.

It took me a long time at playing with different settings on the Smarty to find the sweet spot. I've found that does change from track to track but, not by much. I have the MP-8 and it's at 100% on the track.... otherwise, I don't use it. It and the Smarty have been my only boxes I've ever used. Tried the BD once and ran as fast as I could from it LOL

Back on subject....

Since sledders don't have the air flow draggers do..... I can see it working for them. I'm gonna start a poll on this to get a better idea of how many care for what.

RAWdiesel
09-29-2009, 08:21 AM
When you keep saying timing I imagine you are talking about the timing on the boxes correct? I have my timing setup as bob told me to run it. on 3 for large aftermarket injectors which is less timing than stock I believe. Now I havent melted this new motor down but I only have 2 hooks and maybe 500 miles on it. I did however have a blown headgaket. the way it looks the heat in the cylinder had to be hot* hot*... Idk. what boxes are you running wes, triton, should I ditch the mp8?

What injectors?
What are your Rail Pressures - Driving, if you daily drive it, WOT and when sled pulling
Youve got the mp8 stacked with a smarty? anything else? and what settings you normally run.
have the injectors been check since the melt down? if so by whom?

Ive seen pistons starting to melt in one truck that i am tuning, and i know exactly why it did it. Just need some more info.

outlaw99
09-29-2009, 08:56 AM
ddp150's, don m looked at them, rail pressure with smarty only is 22,500 or so and then with mp8 on about 28k. smarty is always on catcher 8 and timing is 3, mp8 about 75%. I think this headgasket blew because of the torque that I didnt do...

triton
09-29-2009, 09:08 AM
ddp150's, don m looked at them, rail pressure with smarty only is 22,500 or so and then with mp8 on about 28k. smarty is always on catcher 8 and timing is 3, mp8 about 75%. I think this headgasket blew because of the torque that I didnt do...

That's about what I see.... it's been to 29K. Yeah, I forgot about your HG ordeal... I'd guess that was the problem too.

outlaw99
09-29-2009, 09:17 AM
yeah I feel like a dumbass about it, I knew I shouldve done it and listened to someone else... Ive never had a cr head of or know anything about the mls gaskets... Im going to fire ring it this time and retorque it. 3 times...lol

outlaw99
09-29-2009, 12:58 PM
oh yeah the truck idles about 6500-7500 and then cruises at about 17k or so.. Also how do you guys run your rail pressure gauge with the mp-8 stack and dual cp3's.. i feel like im making a tower of connections.. on the rail sensor. lol could anything interupt the other's signal and cause something to go wrong.

07dodge
09-29-2009, 06:18 PM
Seen 1900* sat night, first run on the motor over the weekend with a few different parts inside, and they obviously didnt like the same tuning!

Kman9090
09-29-2009, 07:48 PM
Keep water out of the 2.6 class!

Bad-Duvall
09-29-2009, 08:40 PM
Keep water out of the 2.6 class!


Do you have a reason?

2Tone12V
09-29-2009, 08:51 PM
Do you have a reason?
Cause if its needed. Its time to move up to the class that allows it and run against the trucks it should run against.

Kman9090
09-29-2009, 09:26 PM
^^^ what he said ^^^ im not buying the "i want to save my motor bit!" Look at wesley wade!

And it gives guys another way to CHEAT!

outlaw99
09-30-2009, 07:07 AM
you cant compare one truck to another there setups might be totally diff... And you dont buy that save your motor ****... obviosly you havent spent serious money in your truck and can only see your side of the point.. dont compare wes's truck to ours. 1 truck vs the other 200 trucks on here that have melted down...

triton
09-30-2009, 07:27 AM
I know you don't want to hear this outlaw but...... this whole thing is a " you play you pay deal " You have to anticipate damage at some point if you take your truck any where beyond stock. Nothing is fail proof. Water can help lower egt's but, not to the point you can guarantee it not to melt down.

I have as much if not more into my motor than Wes and to date, I've blown a turbo, cracked a head and dropped a valve. This is after spending as much as a whole other car might cost. It was expected though because I abuse the truck. My point being, you may not melt a piston but, you are guaranteed to hurt something along the way.

Again, if you want to race or sled pull, you "have" to be ready for the consequences

01PPUMP
09-30-2009, 07:37 AM
No Water In 2.6!!!!

outlaw99
09-30-2009, 09:28 AM
right I more than understand thats why I keep putting mine back together, even though I know something else is bound to happen, but if it help keep the truck cool it can only help, your talking about a additive that can only make so much power on any truck we will say 100hp at the most... where as spray and propane its endless if you know what you are doing.

2Tone12V
09-30-2009, 06:11 PM
right I more than understand thats why I keep putting mine back together, even though I know something else is bound to happen, but if it help keep the truck cool it can only help, your talking about a additive that can only make so much power on any truck we will say 100hp at the most... where as spray and propane its endless if you know what you are doing.

That 100 hp leads to driveline breakage. Its never ending. Then what should be done?

Kman9090
09-30-2009, 06:18 PM
LOL yup i dont put no money in my truck! LOL


And your right i wont compare Wes's ytuck to yours his is a runner!

outlaw99
09-30-2009, 06:37 PM
yeah yours looked great at schied, I hope that long trip was worth it....boom, i bet that piece of **** boot you had cost alot in that budget truck of your's. you want to start a pissing match lets go, you and your sell out brother 2tone 12v can sure talk it up... 60k i think i would rather buy ragged out for 45k and mop the floor with your truck or hell maybe even wes's for 40k and prob still beat your truck..

outlaw99
09-30-2009, 06:40 PM
If you could read, I wasnt bashing your truck in my first comment about your truck, I was only stating that I had more money in my truck than yours, which isnt a good thing to say..lol but you mo boys get your chest pumped up for no reason, so shame on you

zstroken
09-30-2009, 06:43 PM
:pop:

2Tone12V
09-30-2009, 07:04 PM
yeah yours looked great at schied, I hope that long trip was worth it....boom, i bet that piece of **** boot you had cost alot in that budget truck of your's. you want to start a pissing match lets go, you and your sell out brother 2tone 12v can sure talk it up... 60k i think i would rather buy ragged out for 45k and mop the floor with your truck or hell maybe even wes's for 40k and prob still beat your truck..

Uh so how did I get into this? Go **** yourself outlaw. Nothing against ragged out but buy it. We will run em. I will lay a grand that says you won't beat my truck. Then you can continue to purchase driveline parts all the time while I put money in the bank chump.

2Tone12V
09-30-2009, 07:06 PM
but you mo boys get your chest pumped up for no reason, so shame on you

And what is it that your doing? I had no dog in this fight between you 2.

Bad-Duvall
09-30-2009, 07:29 PM
Its like this... I toatlly understand the WHY some dont want water in the 2.6 class. But I still want to run it anyway.. :lolly:

2Tone12V
09-30-2009, 07:34 PM
Its like this... I toatlly understand the WHY some dont want water in the 2.6 class. But I still want to run it anyway.. :lolly:

And I agree on the reasoning why to run it. But I just think its time to jump up a class if you have to have it. Ben your truck would run just fine against the 2.8 trucks anyhow.

Kman9090
09-30-2009, 08:41 PM
LOL! So since you know excatly how much money i have in my truck then why dont you tell me cause i have lost count!

Where was your truck at Scheid by the way??? Where is your video??? Any videos of it blowing up by chance??? Just cause we can keep my motor in one piece and you cant! LMAO!

Ill be at scheid next year also and will put some money on the line agaist your piston melting badass truck that YOU cant keep together!

outlaw99
10-01-2009, 07:06 AM
2 tone 12v I have a problem with you because it doesnt matter where someone post you argue with everyone, if this was a 2.6 poll for water injection you would argure. you pull ss it has nothing to do with you. why do you continue to argue with everyone on here... kman I will take that bet, maybe we can set something up to where we give the money to comp d and then one of the higher up guys can send the money to the winner, please br sure to bring a 7/16's deep socket for your boots, Ive only melted a motor once buy the way, and it had nothing to do with me only a faulty injector. oh yeah and the n after schied we can go to the race track and I will show you what a true 2.6 STREET truck can do.

2Tone12V
10-01-2009, 07:16 AM
2 tone 12v I have a problem with you because it doesnt matter where someone post you argue with everyone, if this was a 2.6 poll for water injection you would argure. you pull ss it has nothing to do with you. why do you continue to argue with everyone on here... kman I will take that bet, maybe we can set something up to where we give the money to comp d and then one of the higher up guys can send the money to the winner, please br sure to bring a 7/16's deep socket for your boots, Ive only melted a motor once buy the way, and it had nothing to do with me only a faulty injector. oh yeah and the n after schied we can go to the race track and I will show you what a true 2.6 STREET truck can do.

Alright dumba$$. Its a discussion. Nobody was argueing until you came in with the my daddy can beat your daddy up bull$hit. If you read it and you don't agree with it and maybe it gets under YOUR skin. Doesn't mean its an arguement. Everyone is discussing the matter. Remember your talking to a screen genius. That can't give you an expression.

outlaw99
10-01-2009, 07:19 AM
bull****, you were wanting a arrguement with your, where does it end post, your stupid if you think that water injection will lead to broken drivetrain....im a dumbass, I have nos......oh **** better get rockwells under that thing...lol

2Tone12V
10-01-2009, 08:03 AM
bull****, you were wanting a arrguement with your, where does it end post, your stupid if you think that water injection will lead to broken drivetrain....im a dumbass, I have nos......oh **** better get rockwells under that thing...lol

Your the dumb one that is pushing for super street rules with a 2.6 street class. Cause you don't have a clue what your doing on the truck and can't keep it together. But whatever. Take my post however you want it. I don't care. Nothing ignorant was meant by it. I'm sure you are stressed these days cause you can't keep a motor together and you needed to lash out at someone. I am just fine with that. I didn't lose any sleep over it trust me. But anyhow, get your truck together, buy ragged out, keep dreaming. Whatever you are gonna do. If you want to run them. Ill see you at the track. Not wasting my time "arguing" with you. Have a good one chump.

2Tone12V
10-01-2009, 08:07 AM
So back to my "arguement". Really just a question. Outlaw, what is your solution if you add water to the class and people start exploding drivelines week after week. And everyone is stuck at home not pulling cause they are out of money? Do you go back and remove water or do you allow stronger drivelines? You going to get a lot tougher on the safety side of things as well i hope correct? Shields, blankets, more loops, etc.... More to it than just letting them run water.

Kman9090
10-01-2009, 09:32 AM
LOL someones panties are in a wad LOL

Ok i will take that bet i will be at scheid and hopefully indy again next year so pick one!

Drag racing im going to have to go ahead and say you win, kinda hard to row a 6spd with a weighted clutch.

outlaw99
10-01-2009, 10:45 AM
indy or schied you pick it.. im down with indy for sure. Yes My truck has melted 2 pistons and blown a headgasket thats it.... so I would have to argue the fact that my truck is a piece of ****? 2 breaks out of 2 pulls 20 drag passes, 3 weeks of street racing and 5k miles of actual Street driving. I however do not think allowing water will gaurentee that we wont break driveline but thats a big statement to make saying that we add water everyones drivetrain will be destroyed.

2Tone12V
10-01-2009, 10:48 AM
indy or schied you pick it.. im down with indy for sure. Yes My truck has melted 2 pistons and blown a headgasket thats it.... so I would have to argue the fact that my truck is a piece of ****? 2 breaks out of 2 pulls 20 drag passes, 3 weeks of street racing and 5k miles of actual Street driving. I however do not think allowing water will gaurentee that we wont break driveline but thats a big statement to make saying that we add water everyones drivetrain will be destroyed.

Well I'm a big/fat guy. That happens alot. Sorry. As for the safety?

outlaw99
10-01-2009, 11:17 AM
It should be mandotory to have shields for driveline, by enforcing this, you are keeping the yayhoo on the street from dragging in his beat truck with nos and water and a bunch of other crap into the 2.6 class, these guys will not take the time to build loops

Micheal Tomac
10-01-2009, 12:10 PM
I don't see how allowing water in the 2.8 class will help when the top trucks are having problems keeping the drivetrain together w/o water.

I also don't think water should be allowed in the 2.6 class either.

2Tone12V
10-01-2009, 12:46 PM
I don't see how allowing water in the 2.8 class will help when the top trucks are having problems keeping the drivetrain together w/o water.

I also don't think water should be allowed in the 2.6 class either.

Ya but outlaw doesn't sled pull so he doesn't understand this I guess.:bang

outlaw99
10-01-2009, 01:26 PM
I didnt say anything about 2.8?

Kman9090
10-01-2009, 01:43 PM
But you did say that we should allow water meth in 2.6 that would put us pretty close to the HP of some 2.8 trucks, then we will start having drive train trouble.

2Tone12V
10-01-2009, 02:13 PM
But you did say that we should allow water meth in 2.6 that would put us pretty close to the HP of some 2.8 trucks, then we will start having drive train trouble.
Nuh uh!!

outlaw99
10-01-2009, 02:55 PM
I Would Have To Say You Are Still Wrong, You Put Your Top 2.6 Truck Up Against A Top 2.8, Give The 2.6 Truck Water And See What Happens, Also What 2.8 Trucks Are You Guys Reffering To That Are Destoying Drivelines? I Would Say A 3.0 Ss Truck Yes Driveline Is A Factor 2.8 No. If You Refer To Schied That Was The Track Not The Power The Truck Was Making.

zstroken
10-01-2009, 02:59 PM
I Would Have To Say You Are Still Wrong, You Put Your Top 2.6 Truck Up Against A Top 2.8, Give The 2.6 Truck Water And See What Happens, Also What 2.8 Trucks Are You Guys Reffering To That Are Destoying Drivelines? I Would Say A 3.0 Ss Truck Yes Driveline Is A Factor 2.8 No. If You Refer To Schied That Was The Track Not The Power The Truck Was Making.


LOL, asked the Ragged Out folks, I believe he has said they have been through 18+ ring and pinions this year.
I know several other 2.8 trucks that have ate ring and pinions this year also, not to the tune of 18.

outlaw99
10-01-2009, 03:17 PM
right and that ragged out truck is the top 2.8 truck making prob. damn near the most power obviously and is setup correct.... my point exactly so now you are comparing a 2.6 truck with water to ragged out? not hardly, we wouldnt touch the power he is making with water.... hence I keep saying water... you guys keep saying water/meth, i only want water I dont care about the benifit of meth. just wanna keep **** cool. not make more power i feel 700-800 whp is good enough in the 2.6 class to compete dont need more power.

zstroken
10-01-2009, 03:24 PM
right and that ragged out truck is the top 2.8 truck making prob. damn near the most power obviously and is setup correct.... my point exactly so now you are comparing a 2.6 truck with water to ragged out? not hardly, we wouldnt touch the power he is making with water.... hence I keep saying water... you guys keep saying water/meth, i only want water I dont care about the benifit of meth. just wanna keep **** cool. not make more power i feel 700-800 whp is good enough in the 2.6 class to compete dont need more power.


I know other 2.8 trucks that are breaking drivelines.

Why do you need 700-800 hp in the 2.6? If no one else runs water in the class it is still fair? The point being you start running water in the 2.6 people will find the next weak link, maybe over spinning the turbos? Maybe too much cylinder pressure and blowing headgaskets?

outlaw99
10-01-2009, 03:29 PM
I have already found both of those..lol or was that another jab....lol?

zstroken
10-01-2009, 03:35 PM
I have already found both of those..lol or was that another jab....lol?


No it wasn't a jab, if you want to think it is, then go ahead. I am sure Gene is laughing his head off about this. If you need water to keep it together, just step up to the 3.0 class I guess. Too many other folks are keeping their engines together without it.

outlaw99
10-01-2009, 04:09 PM
im not saying it is the sole answer to my needs...lol im stating that it will help cool these motor maybe then we would get more hooks/life out of themI didnt think it was a jab just thought it was funny how you said headgasket.

zstroken
10-01-2009, 04:15 PM
Who knows, I am on the 4th season on my engine.

Kman9090
10-01-2009, 07:01 PM
You must be running water! LOL

2Tone12V
10-01-2009, 10:29 PM
Outlaw you are just flat out a lost cause. I could go on all day but its like talking to a brick wall. You ask a question. Zstroken answers it exactly the way you wouldnt want it answered and you say exactly hahaha!!

2Tone12V
10-01-2009, 10:35 PM
Also What 2.8 Trucks Are You Guys Reffering To That Are Destoying Drivelines? I Would Say A 3.0 Ss Truck Yes Driveline Is A Factor 2.8 No.
QUESTION
LOL, asked the Ragged Out folks, I believe he has said they have been through 18+ ring and pinions this year.
I know several other 2.8 trucks that have ate ring and pinions this year also, not to the tune of 18.
ANSWER
my point exactly
AND THE RESPONSE!!


Dan you should be a sales guy or something man. You just changed this idiots mind with one reply. You the man!!

Outlaw if you think that is the only truck breaking drivelines in 2.8. You need to get out more or I guess not even bothering arguing your point. I really am starting to wonder if you have ever been to a sled pull. So when you gonna buy ragged out so we can run em?

Kman9090
10-01-2009, 11:10 PM
As soon as you think the dust is getting ready to settle here comes anythony and drops another bomb! LOL

Convicted1
10-01-2009, 11:13 PM
LOL.... Well at least I've "Seen the light" and let it drop!?

2Tone12V
10-01-2009, 11:19 PM
Ya well he started in on me for no apparent reason so....

Convicted1
10-01-2009, 11:28 PM
LMFAO...

"But Mommmmmmmyyyyy!!! HE started it!!!!"....

And you guys said that I whine alot!

Obviously just playin' and returnin' some of the crap that was dealt my way! :hehe:

outlaw99
10-02-2009, 07:07 AM
anthony, you are truly a dumbass, if you couldnt tell my EXACTLY answer is reffering to you chappy's comparing 2.6 trucks with water to a 1000+ hp 2.8 truck. please read it again closely, make sure you read what after my exactly comment that way you understand it was a sentence. I was reffering to the comparison that you guys are actually making saying that these 2.6 trucks with water would be liked ragged out. thats all, im done arguing with you about it. if theres no water then thats fine.

right and that ragged out truck is the top 2.8 truck making prob. damn near the most power obviously and is setup correct....MY POINT EXACTLY SO NOW YOU ARE COMPARING A 2.6 TRUCK WITH WATER TO RAGGED OUT? not hardly, we wouldnt touch the power he is making with water.... hence I keep saying water... you guys keep saying water/meth, i only want water I dont care about the benifit of meth. just wanna keep **** cool. not make more power i feel 700-800 whp is good enough in the 2.6 class to compete dont need more power.

2Tone12V
10-02-2009, 02:26 PM
And again. If you think that is the only 2.8 breaking drivelines over and over. You need to get out more or shut up I guess.

01PPUMP
10-02-2009, 03:08 PM
:pop::pop:

2Tone12V
10-07-2009, 07:10 AM
Highest HP VP44 Single Turbo- Fuel Only - Competition Diesel.Com - Bringing The BEST Together (http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60261&page=)
You tell me outlaw. Does water add power? Sure seems to on a little vp44 truck.

outlaw99
10-07-2009, 07:31 AM
you are a tard, nowhere in that post does it say anything about a big hp diff. with water, a guy made like 15 more hp with water on his truck in that thread? jackass

2Tone12V
10-07-2009, 10:49 AM
you are a tard, nowhere in that post does it say anything about a big hp diff. with water, a guy made like 15 more hp with water on his truck in that thread? jackass

On a little 2.6 vp truck. What do you think it will do to help some big fueling trucks bone head. I guess none right? Cause there is only 1 2.8 truck in the nation that breaks drivelines. :hehe: Oh ya, did you buy ragged out yet??

Charles
10-07-2009, 11:40 AM
On a little 2.6 vp truck. What do you think it will do to help some big fueling trucks bone head. I guess none right? Cause there is only 1 2.8 truck in the nation that breaks drivelines. :hehe: Oh ya, did you buy ragged out yet??

Also....

What % gain does everyone expect between an intercooled truck that is running water in addition to the air:air cooler, vs one running water as the sole form of charge air cooling?

I rarely see mention of this, as most people just lump the two together. However, power derived from the additional density gained from supplemental water injection is a far cry from the power gained when it is used as the sole charge air cooling method.

For instance, my truck is cooled interstage, and has no cooling whatsoever after the second stage where boost jumps from 20-25 right up to 60-70lbs. If I drive with the truck on the ragged edge of losing traction, I have noticed that the tires will usually begin spinning when the water comes on without any change in throttle. Smoke goes away at the same time.

I think it's most often the case that most people view intercooling only in terms of temperature, and forget that while a turbocharger is a mechanical compressor, intercooling is a thermal compressor...

Intercooling is in many ways the same as a turbocharger. CFM flow into the first stage compressor will go up when an appropriate level of water injection is in place. Especially so on a non-intercooled setup.

outlaw99
10-07-2009, 11:42 AM
wtf, dude you need to get a life, your post have nothing to do with each another, do you re-read your post after your done. your a ****ing idiot, oh yeah the columbus blue jackets won last night 5-3.

outlaw99
10-07-2009, 11:43 AM
oh yeah and these little 2.6 trucks you speak of are the ones you ****ing cry about like its your job. your in a bigger class.....with your truck not your mouth obviously.

2Tone12V
10-07-2009, 01:53 PM
oh yeah and these little 2.6 trucks you speak of are the ones you ****ing cry about like its your job. your in a bigger class.....with your truck not your mouth obviously.
Water Injection???? - Competition Diesel.Com - Bringing The BEST Together (http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67500)

So here is what the thread is about. I was talking about water injection in the 2.6 Whats the thread about? Water Injection... Maybe your still off in dream land thinking about how many events your going to win when you buy ragged out. That is of course after you get your folks to get a loan for your sorry non pullin a$$. :kick:

outlaw99
10-07-2009, 02:14 PM
to get a loan.... sorry some of us actually work for our trucks and pay for them with our own money, not a sponsor, while I wouldnt turn one down you have no idea how I get my money so why say anything? I really hope I see you at a pull. done.

2Tone12V
10-07-2009, 02:22 PM
to get a loan.... sorry some of us actually work for our trucks and pay for them with our own money, not a sponsor, while I wouldnt turn one down you have no idea how I get my money so why say anything? I really hope I see you at a pull. done.

Do explain how I was out in left field with my water injection comment? You ready to do some wagering on a hook? Or do you even sled pull?

Papuller86
10-29-2009, 08:23 PM
i say run it in all classes its a cheap way to help cool the engne, i ran it when i could cant for sure say it added power but i can say it deffently helped the cooling i only ran a 25% meth and 75% water,

maybe instead of sitting arguing, set up a poll on it

2Tone12V
10-30-2009, 08:36 AM
Did already.

Papuller86
11-24-2009, 11:06 PM
o ok!! sorry not on here that much what was the out come,

now over the idea of does it add power i personaly seen it add 50hp on a dodge on a dyno with a few basic mods, it was a stage 2 snow performance kit

Charles---Smoke goes away at the same time.

now i know our truck are alot different but mine smokes like a PIG with the water turned on, thats just a fyi,


Anyways not taking side with anyone, but i would say allow it, what would be the harm in atleast tring it

Kman9090
12-02-2009, 01:18 AM
I'm gonna have to vote to allow it! I mean there's all ready 2.6 trucks running Air to Water might as well let the CR trucks run water to keep them cool.

jordanjames81
12-02-2009, 02:02 AM
Im with Wes Wade and Triton on this if your tuning is correct in your Cr you dont need it. Keep it out of the 2.6 for sure. I say 3.0 and up. Tuning is correct, injectors are good you wont be melting down your Cr. I've got several pulls on my motor and several drag races and three dyno pulls and i have yet to melt a piston.

SnowTech.4
12-02-2009, 03:22 PM
^There is no substitute for good tuning, that is for sure.

Having said that, the injection gives you a bit more freedom with the tuning. More cooling means you can run a bit more fuel safely for more power out of more or less the same package. So maybe it's not needed, but it sure can be useful.

Kman9090
12-02-2009, 04:39 PM
I haven't melted a motor either and have over 50+ pulls and 60,000 miles on motor. Just saying if guys are running air to water why not run water injection?

jordanjames81
12-02-2009, 05:47 PM
I dont think eighter one should be allowed in the 2.6 class. Learn to tune the truck and do a better job of up keep on it.

ILLINOISRAM
12-02-2009, 06:00 PM
I still dont think it should be allowed for any reason other than this is 2.6 street. We are not pro pullers winning money or sponserships. IT IS ALL FOR FUN. People are competitve yes so if you want to spend another 500 to 1500 dollars then go to a class that allows it. Its not about saving motors thats a bunch of bs. I know tons of tuck and tractor pullers that dont run it. Schieds 3.0 trucks run it because that is how they set them up to run. Bill heyen (lethal injection) dont run it on there trucks and they get along just fine. Somebody else said it right with the "fact is that water is a crutch". Furthermore air to water should not be allowed in 2.6 street either because they do no good on the street when they are in the cab plus you would need a ice truck to follow you around to keep it working. Im sure nobody cares about my opinion though .LOL. Tim

Kman9090
12-02-2009, 06:09 PM
I dont think eighter one should be allowed in the 2.6 class. Learn to tune the truck and do a better job of up keep on it.

What does up keep have to do with Water Injection? Hell i probably won't even run it but if Air to Water's legal then might as well let the guys that still drive thier trucks on the street run water injection. In case you all aren't keeping up with the times the 2.6 class got away from streetable about 2 years ago.

outlaw99
12-02-2009, 06:17 PM
Im with kman if your going to allow water to air what the diff. not much you will gain 50hp with water to air over a spearco yet alone a stock intercooler but water isnt allowed. Im not saying it will sove melting problems but it def. helps the engine live longer.

jordanjames81
12-02-2009, 06:42 PM
most Cr melt cause of injectors, keep your fuel system clean. Up keeps was ment by keep your filters clean, fuel and air. Stay on top of servie etc.

outlaw99
12-02-2009, 06:45 PM
Ive tried I think our fuel in ohio is ****ty...lol jk, I think I got water in my latest truck tradgady and cost me new injectors again.

Kman9090
12-03-2009, 02:23 AM
most Cr melt cause of injectors, keep your fuel system clean. Up keeps was ment by keep your filters clean, fuel and air. Stay on top of servie etc.

Yeah but it's obvious air to water is here to stay so us guys that can drive our trucks on the street can't go to air to water. So meet in the middle with water injection.

RAWdiesel
12-03-2009, 06:53 AM
No water injection.

2Tone12V
12-03-2009, 07:17 AM
I'm gonna have to vote to allow it! I mean there's all ready 2.6 trucks running Air to Water might as well let the CR trucks run water to keep them cool.

Well you said last year those weren't near as good as water injection? Why are you comparing the 2 now?

Kman9090
12-03-2009, 02:48 PM
What do you mean? I think Air to Water works but not nearly as good as you and Dane think it does expecially on a 2.6 truck. Tyrel Beat Dane at just about every pull this year without it... Just making a point if you allow air to water in the 2.6 class might as well let the guys run water injection. Also as i stated before I run neither and don't plan on running either one.

2Tone12V
12-03-2009, 05:28 PM
What do you mean? I think Air to Water works but not nearly as good as you and Dane think it does expecially on a 2.6 truck. Tyrel Beat Dane at just about every pull this year without it... Just making a point if you allow air to water in the 2.6 class might as well let the guys run water injection. Also as i stated before I run neither and don't plan on running either one.

Well I think its safe to say Tyrels truck is a MUCH better running truck. Water/Air or water injection gonna take you from worst to first by any means. You can't compare a truck with it and without it when the 2 trucks have TOTALLY different set ups. Especially when the one with the biggest turbo is spinning out at the end and the guy with the little turbo snuffs it out each time. There are quite a few reasons why Dane doesn't beat Tyrel.

2Tone12V
12-03-2009, 05:29 PM
Do explain why you think it won't make a big difference on a 2.6 truck? Whats your reasoning behind that?

Kman9090
12-04-2009, 03:04 AM
Anthony I'm not gonna argue with you but Tyrel and Dane's truck are very similar setups. Different pumps, different turbo, and a few nick nacks but they are very close. Hodler's 2.6 truck is very close as well and he hands it to both of them but Tyrel is close. Dane had a blown head gasket at St. Charles and didn't even know it. If Air to Water makes that big a difference then why is it allowed in the 2.6 class and water injection is not?

01PPUMP
12-04-2009, 12:06 PM
:pop:

2Tone12V
12-04-2009, 03:02 PM
Anthony I'm not gonna argue with you but Tyrel and Dane's truck are very similar setups. Different pumps, different turbo, and a few nick nacks but they are very close. Hodler's 2.6 truck is very close as well and he hands it to both of them but Tyrel is close. Dane had a blown head gasket at St. Charles and didn't even know it. If Air to Water makes that big a difference then why is it allowed in the 2.6 class and water injection is not?

They have different pumps, different turbos, different cams, one runs duals one doesn't, one runs water air the other doesn't, ones a short bed ones a long bed. Ya they are pretty much the same after all.:bang Bout the only thing they have in common is they are still chasing p pumps.:kick:

Kman9090
12-04-2009, 03:21 PM
What your saying is Dane's got more advantages and still lost? Chasing P pumps? Only one we pulled with all year anyone was chasing and that was kevin? Seems like in the 2.8 class most guys are chasing this one CR Duramax? This aint gonna turn into the P Pump blah blah blah is it?

I'm just stating a point people are saying the 2.6 is a street class and water injection YOU CAN run on the street and it isn't allowed but air to water is fine? It's like wiping before you poop it just don't make sense!

outlaw99
12-04-2009, 03:24 PM
Im just happy they allow it in out pulling circuit around here and I will run it.

2Tone12V
12-04-2009, 03:26 PM
What your saying is Dane's got more advantages and still lost? Chasing P pumps? Only one we pulled with all year anyone was chasing and that was kevin? Seems like in the 2.8 class most guys are chasing this one CR Duramax? This aint gonna turn into the P Pump blah blah blah is it?

I'm just stating a point people are saying the 2.6 is a street class and water injection YOU CAN run on the street and it isn't allowed but air to water is fine? It's like wiping before you poop it just don't make sense!

LOLI thought everyone was chasing Matt Williams in Ragged out in the 2.8 class.:owned: Also you didn't pull against Whalen did you? Hes got that vp beat as well. Anyhow, neither of them should be legal.

Kman9090
12-04-2009, 03:29 PM
Pretty sure Matt and Troy went back and fourth and I've always been told no CR can keep up with a P-pump? Whalen yeah we put over 40ft on him at Warren County. He's also a 3.0 truck and after he got it tuned well he was in your class not mine.

mech2161
12-04-2009, 03:30 PM
As most people are saying "it's a street class". Let there be water. No direct drive pumps, no starter motor driven pumps. Let them have what a street driven truck would have like an off the shelf Snow system. One pump and as many nozzles as they feel the pump will run.

SnowTech.4
12-04-2009, 05:30 PM
The only reason I can see not to allow it is to keep cost down. If thats the idea, then I can understand that totaly. I really hate it when guys without big budgets cant compete because all the classes require X dollars worth of stuff to be competitive.

The thing is, a decent system is pretty cheap compared to the other things we are talking about, and it is a big help to the trucks.

So (VERY respectfully since I am not competing in the class myself) I think it ought to be allowed. It doesnt keep people from competing, it does help keep the engines together. Win win.

Papuller86
12-04-2009, 07:55 PM
thats just dumb in my opinion if thay allow a air to water system, but not a simple off the shelf water injection system,

2Tone12V
12-04-2009, 08:00 PM
Pretty sure Matt and Troy went back and fourth and I've always been told no CR can keep up with a P-pump? Whalen yeah we put over 40ft on him at Warren County. He's also a 3.0 truck and after he got it tuned well he was in your class not mine.

Where do I begin. Warren county. The pull the clutch NEVER engaged and looked like a grinder down the track. Good comparision goof. How do you figure its a 3.0 truck? Its a 2.8 compressor wheel. Your brothers charger is a 3.0 charger but you call that a 2.6 cause it has a "cover". He runs a bushing. No difference and an overall smaller charger. He was only in our class because bushings weren't allowed. Show-Me Smokers MADE him pull super street for the one and only reason. Anyhow useless to argue with you if you don't have a clue what your talking about. Back to the water. I vote not water.

dieselman47
12-04-2009, 08:39 PM
:pop:

Kman9090
12-05-2009, 03:18 AM
Where do I begin. Warren county. The pull the clutch NEVER engaged and looked like a grinder down the track. Good comparision goof. How do you figure its a 3.0 truck? Its a 2.8 compressor wheel. Your brothers charger is a 3.0 charger but you call that a 2.6 cause it has a "cover". He runs a bushing. No difference and an overall smaller charger. He was only in our class because bushings weren't allowed. Show-Me Smokers MADE him pull super street for the one and only reason. Anyhow useless to argue with you if you don't have a clue what your talking about. Back to the water. I vote not water.

John even said himself the truck runs like crap with a 2.6 cover? Don't ask me thats what he said. Clutch never did engage thats one of them awesome southbends you were always so proud of. John did get his truck running extremly well before the season and next year he'll probably come out stronger just bought Danes duallies from him. Remember last year you kept telling Matt and me that Southbend was so wonderful. How'd that end up? You say Air to Water works so awesome but air to water is meant for a purpose built puller exactly why Tyrel DID NOT want to put it on his truck. Then you say you don't want water injection so you can keep the PURPOSE BUILT puller trucks out of the 2.6 class? That makes no sense? Either allow both or allow neither. I'll state time and time again I don't run neither and I made a fuss about Ben Duvall running it but now you have guys running Air to Water but no water injection come on.

2Tone12V
12-05-2009, 09:47 AM
John even said himself the truck runs like crap with a 2.6 cover? Don't ask me thats what he said. Clutch never did engage thats one of them awesome southbends you were always so proud of. John did get his truck running extremly well before the season and next year he'll probably come out stronger just bought Danes duallies from him. Remember last year you kept telling Matt and me that Southbend was so wonderful. How'd that end up? You say Air to Water works so awesome but air to water is meant for a purpose built puller exactly why Tyrel DID NOT want to put it on his truck. Then you say you don't want water injection so you can keep the PURPOSE BUILT puller trucks out of the 2.6 class? That makes no sense? Either allow both or allow neither. I'll state time and time again I don't run neither and I made a fuss about Ben Duvall running it but now you have guys running Air to Water but no water injection come on.
Kind of getting away from the point here aren't ya. You picking out random things. And again, you don't have a clue what your talking about. The clutch he had was one of Keiths not a southbend. And my clutch worked great all year. After I got the spacing figured out before it was ever hooked. It was in there all year with no problems at all. Insert foot in mouth. BOTH OF THEM clown!! You really don't have a clue what your talking about.

DISTURBED
12-05-2009, 09:47 AM
Actually you can run Air to Water intercoolers on the street but the water comes from the radiator. They have them on the 5.9 in buses, but they are set on top of the intake. It wouldnt be hard to plum a aluminium one that is used in pulling to work that way and it would cool the intake charge but not as well as a icebox setup. But still dont think they need it and water injection either

2Tone12V
12-05-2009, 09:50 AM
Its also a shame he thinks he has to have duals to run 2.6. I don't know where these people are getting their set up info from. But thats NOT the ticket unless you have LOTS of extra power. Dane went from a SRW and snuffing the turbo out to DRW. Makes no sense at all. Tory tory tory....

Kman9090
12-05-2009, 02:25 PM
Trying to remember almost positive John did not have a Kenny's he may have one now but I think he said he was running the same setup he did in his Black 04 (Snakes). I've also told Dane he doesn't need duals no arguement there. So your still on the SOuthbend ship your little 2.6 truck went through 3 clutches in one year with maybe 10 hooks on that truck, this year you spent half the season just to get the clutch sized right? Then you couldn't get it out of gear at St. Charles County and I remember you saying some pretty harsh things about Southbend? I just don't see the reasoning why no water injection other then what you stated about keep designated pullers out of the 2.6 class but they are all ready here. I'll name people that drive thier trucks on the street with water injection, if you could name some people that drive thier trucks on the street with thier air to water. Dane also ran Duals because someone gave him the dually wheels. He's back to singles now.

97power ram
01-02-2010, 01:14 AM
well due to the fact the i have a NON INTERCOOLED first gen and dont honeslty think a intercooler is gonna make a difference as far as pulling goes im gonna haft to vote for an allowance of the water injection due to the fact the some of us who have almost 30 year old technology cant just plug and play and honeslty would water meth help me win points considering i may only compete at 1 competition.....didnt think so

and when is the guy from nadm gonna let us know on this anywho

Sledpuller
01-02-2010, 05:27 AM
When you see a post from NADM Marketing, it means hes asking for information only, to use in his marketing campaign.

He has nothing to do with rules. Especially when you see him ask about watermeth or propane.

You will never see drugs allowed in pulling. And no water in 2.6 for 2010.