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AsTroSS
03-21-2010, 10:34 AM
We need more techincal infromation about your Holset VGT controller.

What signals is neede for Your VGT for operation?

I plan to build Twin VGT' using He431VGT and He551VGt , I have two options ether use your controller(s) or convert the chargers to mechanical VGT

I want to control bouth chargers .

Do I need 2 controllers?

:poke:

Brayden
03-22-2010, 10:52 PM
I would use only one VGT and use a large fixed geometry for the atmosphere charger.

We dynoed a 2009 6.7 last friday with 120 sticks, stock pump, airdog, DD SBC, and an HE451 at 648/1438 rwhp. With more fuel it would go higher. It makes around 50 psi and is clean as a pin.

The 12 valve controllers are in the works right now.

All model's from 1998.5-2005 are covered currently, and will control any HE series turbo, you just specify when ordering.

Keep the questions coming and we'll use this thread for tech.

Thanks,

Brayden

Brayden
03-22-2010, 10:53 PM
BTW .. Electronics are good :) keep them on the turbo(s).

EDIT: We have the ability to run them in parallel so if you want to go "Wide Open" you can run a triple setup.. Twin HE351's with an S480.

roachie
03-22-2010, 10:58 PM
What is the ETA on your 12v controllers?

turbomatt1
03-22-2010, 11:11 PM
What is the ETA on your 12v controllers?

^^^^^^^^ :pop: ^^^^^^^^^^

Phooker
03-22-2010, 11:26 PM
^^^^^^^^ :pop: ^^^^^^^^^^
Matt, I can hear the gears turning all the way down here....

roachie
03-22-2010, 11:28 PM
They are screaming here.

smoked05
03-22-2010, 11:30 PM
So if i understand it right you guys solved vgt issue without converting to a mechanical style? Just verifying from all the stuff i read and watched on youtube. If ya wouldn't mind can i get a pm on a price on a controller and what i would need to make a 6.7 vgt work on my 5.9.:thankyou2:

turbomatt1
03-23-2010, 12:22 AM
Matt, I can hear the gears turning all the way down here....

Lol... yup, I have a brand new 351VE & a 12V truck waiting (literally!) for the controlers release. (or a prototype )(hint;-)
I'm gonna dial it in as a single, then hang something special from Garrett under it soon after.

jacket106
03-23-2010, 01:01 AM
that's what I'm talkin about. I plan on using one for my tow rig. Can you imagine, 12 valve fuel with a Variable turbo. I'm ready man, put me on the list.

Brayden
03-23-2010, 10:34 AM
So if i understand it right you guys solved vgt issue without converting to a mechanical style? Just verifying from all the stuff i read and watched on youtube. If ya wouldn't mind can i get a pm on a price on a controller and what i would need to make a 6.7 vgt work on my 5.9.:thankyou2:

They're 495.00 for the 1998.5-2005 trucks. Yes we have them figured out with a calibratable boost map that you can tune realtime going down the road or on the dyno. You can program in a boost limit as well. If the boost get's to X amount, it opens the housing until the boost stabilizes.

Brayden
03-23-2010, 10:37 AM
The 12v controllers are coming along, they just need the ability to have multiple analog inputs which our current board doesn't have. You'll need a MAP sensor, tps input, and some sort of engine speed pickup.

smoked05
03-23-2010, 09:54 PM
sweet looks like i need to find me a turbo. Now will the controller still work if say i decided to put an s400 under it, or will i have issues then?

Brayden
03-23-2010, 10:42 PM
The controller will work with the HE turbo just fine.... If you twin it up with an S400 it would work just fine then too.

MiB
03-24-2010, 04:07 PM
They're 495.00 for the 1998.5-2005 trucks. Yes we have them figured out with a calibratable boost map that you can tune realtime going down the road or on the dyno. You can program in a boost limit as well. If the boost get's to X amount, it opens the housing until the boost stabilizes.

Do you have them ready for shipping? I have a 04.5

Signature600
03-24-2010, 07:13 PM
So the 6.7L controlled the HE451 just fine? So it would control a HE551VE as well...hmm...

Chris

apocalypse1812
03-24-2010, 07:21 PM
Double Hmm...

Johnyb59
03-24-2010, 08:16 PM
All model's from 1998.5-2005 are covered currently, and will control any HE series turbo, you just specify when ordering.



Brayden

I bet so:charger:

ride42
03-24-2010, 08:19 PM
Now I have another set of options to look into. Thanks a lot :hehe:

2141pete
03-24-2010, 08:24 PM
Damn I wish I would have known about this before I did my whole S471 single setup.

Signature600
03-24-2010, 09:48 PM
Double Hmm...


Yeah, I just happen to have a brand new one...

Chris

roachie
03-24-2010, 10:00 PM
Stop teasing me you bastard.

Signature600
03-24-2010, 10:06 PM
Stop teasing me you bastard.


:hehe: :hehe:...you know, I could be bribed...


Maybe...
Chris

BenE67
03-25-2010, 08:05 PM
They're 495.00 for the 1998.5-2005 trucks. Yes we have them figured out with a calibratable boost map that you can tune realtime going down the road or on the dyno. You can program in a boost limit as well. If the boost get's to X amount, it opens the housing until the boost stabilizes.

Hi Brayden;

I am planing to put a HE341Ve or HE351Ve into my Mercedes 1987 300D Turbo. Will this controller that you sell for 495.00 controll those? If so, can I order one now? If not, when should I be expecting to buy one?

Ben

smoked05
03-25-2010, 10:13 PM
Sweet sounds like ill have some money spending to do.

roachie
03-25-2010, 10:30 PM
Hi Brayden;

I am planing to put a HE341Ve or HE351Ve into my Mercedes 1987 300D Turbo. Will this controller that you sell for 495.00 controll those? If so, can I order one now? If not, when should I be expecting to buy one?

Ben

Since he is on here sporadically I try to answer this with what I know.

The controller will run that turbo, the problem is it uses the cummins data bus to get the info the adjust the turbine. So the current controllers wont work on your car. The one for a 12v will when they are released.

I hope that is right.

BenE67
03-25-2010, 11:38 PM
Since he is on here sporadically I try to answer this with what I know.

The controller will run that turbo, the problem is it uses the cummins data bus to get the info the adjust the turbine. So the current controllers wont work on your car. The one for a 12v will when they are released.

I hope that is right.

Thanks for your reply. Has he given any sort of time frame when the 12V will be ready to ship?

Ben

jrmoparin91
03-31-2010, 08:51 PM
we r still working on them at the moment! soon.......

cummins cowboy
03-31-2010, 10:20 PM
can it be made to work with a 12 valve tps?

roachie
04-01-2010, 11:34 PM
Hurry on this 12v controller!

Mr.T
04-02-2010, 12:23 AM
hmmm.......i may just dump the HTT in favor of a 551VGT.....HURRY WITH THAT CONTROLLER!!! :hehe:

cummins cowboy
04-02-2010, 09:35 AM
anyone know if you can tie a 12 valve tps into the 24v valve computer for us p-pump guys or would it give the wrong signal to it?

jrmoparin91
04-04-2010, 08:30 PM
umm.....that would b a question for brayden....he is the keyboard jockey....im just the mechanic....

Brayden
04-10-2010, 10:50 PM
anyone know if you can tie a 12 valve tps into the 24v valve computer for us p-pump guys or would it give the wrong signal to it?

The voltage ranges are different... I don't think it would work. You wouldn't have to feed it into the computer, you'd just use one of the standalone units that don't have to have a CAN input.

BenE67
04-10-2010, 10:54 PM
The voltage ranges are different... I don't think it would work. You wouldn't have to feed it into the computer, you'd just use one of the standalone units that don't have to have a CAN input.

Brayden;

I have my HE341Ve and 3" exhaust pipe ready to go into my 1987 Mercedes 300D ready. Hopefully your controller will be out soon.

nilsson
05-20-2010, 03:14 AM
Some news about the controller?
//Nilsson

Brayden
05-21-2010, 07:19 AM
The standalone controller's for non CAN based trucks will be out shortly. We have a Borg Warner turbo controller finished up as well so if you guys find any borg chargers around we can control them :D

seriousdiesel
05-21-2010, 09:11 AM
Waiting Paitently as I can. Im stoked. Will the controller be able to do exhaust brake function with an added throttle switch? Do the vp44 and commonrail controllers do exhaust brake functions?

MiB
05-21-2010, 04:12 PM
The standalone controller's for non CAN based trucks will be out shortly. We have a Borg Warner turbo controller finished up as well so if you guys find any borg chargers around we can control them :D

Can we controll the he351ve yet on our 3rd gen (03-07) or it's in the pipeline?

Brayden
05-25-2010, 12:33 AM
They're on the shelf. Third Gen Controllers are done, including exhaust brake feature. 2003-2005 only, unless you want to splice into the CAN wires and then the 2006 will work. 2007 should work since they brought back the 3 pin CAN harness near the ECM.

Brayden
05-25-2010, 12:37 AM
Waiting Paitently as I can. Im stoked. Will the controller be able to do exhaust brake function with an added throttle switch? Do the vp44 and commonrail controllers do exhaust brake functions?

Yes it does have an exhaust brake function, and you don't have to add a throttle switch, we read it off the CAN bus :bow: all you have to do is activate the exhaust brake via a switch and anytime TPS=0 your face hit's the windshield :) (Braking force is software adjustable).

Manual transmission owners need to ask about our billet aluminum shifter bracket for the EB switch and realtime boost control knob. It reminds me of a splitter but cooler :)

Thanks,

Brayden

Johnyb59
05-25-2010, 12:40 AM
Manual transmission owners need to ask about our billet aluminum shifter bracket for the EB switch and realtime boost control knob. It reminds me of a splitter but cooler :)

Thanks,

Brayden

Yes what about this bracket? :Cheer:

Brayden
05-25-2010, 12:42 AM
:) I'll whip one up for you.

Johnyb59
05-25-2010, 12:47 AM
Shweet! Hopefully I'll have my effin VP back on by Sat. so I can try it out.:charger:

seriousdiesel
05-25-2010, 07:48 PM
Im assuming the 12v controller will still do EB function with a switch since the can bus stuff does. Ill be calling you soon. thanks

not enoughsmoke
05-25-2010, 09:34 PM
i will be glad when the 12v controllers come out. It will change the 12v life cuz u can pick up a turbo cheap and one of these controllers and the u have a perfomance upgrade turbo&exhaust brake still cheaper than buyin a turbo and exhaust brake seperate

ForceFed
05-28-2010, 11:55 AM
Where can I find some feedback from people who have put a he351ve on a cr with your controller?

schaef_12
05-28-2010, 12:15 PM
Fleece stand-alone VNT is ON THE TRUCK! - Competition Diesel.Com - Bringing The BEST Together (http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67642)

da boss
06-03-2010, 09:44 PM
Any idea on when this 12v controller is actually going to come out?

BC_Coal_Roller
06-11-2010, 11:54 AM
Brayden,

would we just need the MAP sensor off a 3rd gen to make it work on a 12v? I like your idea of twin 351's over an s480... but what about other applications with the same model controller? techically if your controller just takes signals from TPS, MAP, and RPM and converts it into a CAN signal that the turbo sees.. could a guy adapt it to a gas application using the same sensors? I've been dreaming up a twin 351 6.0L vortec setup for my '72 chevy... would be a demon. Any way I could make it understand controls from a sandalone engine controller? Or am I just dreaming, and probably just going to cook up a spring setup for the collar.

thanks
Sean

Flubyux2
08-15-2010, 04:30 AM
+1

I'm with this guy. I'm in the planning stages of converting my Toyota supra from a 76/71/17 single turbo to a pair of 351ve's. Near as I can tell, a 12v controller would be my best bet since I've got rpm, map and tps signals I can tap into. They are all 5v sensors too. I'm curious if there is a possibility o using a speed sensor input to program boost level by "gear". That way, I can have less boost in tue lower gears and more boost in the higher gears.... Cuz two 351s on my car could push enough air to make 900-1000rwhp if I'm not careful.

Johnyb59
09-12-2010, 09:57 AM
.

Manual transmission owners need to ask about our billet aluminum shifter bracket for the EB switch and realtime boost control knob. It reminds me of a splitter but cooler :)

Thanks,

Brayden

Turned out pretty cool
http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo198/johnyb59/Mobile%20Uploads/downsized_0912001019.jpg

seriousdiesel
09-12-2010, 10:35 AM
is the 12v box ready yet? I have a set of twins waiting for one.

Peterson
09-27-2010, 01:22 PM
any update on the controller for the 12 valve?

not enoughsmoke
09-27-2010, 10:44 PM
my fummins will be done hopefully before christmas i need a 12v controller still Brayden

operator62
10-03-2010, 05:02 PM
So, let me get this right. The HE451 worked without any electronic changes made on a 6.7, or is one of your controllers needed for it?

danielsr20
10-03-2010, 05:59 PM
i'm looking at a he341ve on a gasser, would there be problems with heat in the controller if the existing cooling lines were retained?

jrmoparin91
10-06-2010, 08:25 PM
we have not finished the 12v controler at this time. as for heat....as long as its not sitting right over a header it will b fine....however; to my knowedge we do not have a "universal" controler..

seriousdiesel
10-08-2010, 02:20 PM
any idea how long the 12v controller will be? Im really itching for one.

MiB
10-08-2010, 03:08 PM
any idea how long the 12v controller will be? Im really itching for one.

about 80mm LOL

seriousdiesel
10-08-2010, 03:25 PM
about 80mm LOL

Had to do it didn't ya.

kuntryboy369
10-25-2010, 01:08 PM
we are changing he551's at work so fast its not even funny. egr cooler goes down, which pumps a bunch of coolant throught the hotside of the turbo, which (i think) cause the fins to lock up.

since i can get cores at cost. i have been thinking about buying one, and giving it a bath in crab cleaner to possabably get it to free up.

if i could get one to free up, get some electronics, and do some fab work. would it be worth my while to try it on a vp truck?? or am i asking too much from my vp (again)??

kuntryboy369
10-25-2010, 01:45 PM
yeah... nevermind. i answered my own question. comp: 71mm ind,x 108mm exd./ turb: 75mm ind x 86mm exd./ 16-36cm

2141pete
10-25-2010, 02:09 PM
we are changing he551's at work so fast its not even funny. egr cooler goes down, which pumps a bunch of coolant throught the hotside of the turbo, which (i think) cause the fins to lock up.

since i can get cores at cost. i have been thinking about buying one, and giving it a bath in crab cleaner to possabably get it to free up.

if i could get one to free up, get some electronics, and do some fab work. would it be worth my while to try it on a vp truck?? or am i asking too much from my vp (again)??

How much man, give me a call about one of these.

kuntryboy369
10-25-2010, 02:36 PM
ill ask today when i go in today.

Bubba88
10-29-2010, 03:40 PM
any word on the controllers??

what all would have to be done to the 12valve to install a he451??

i.e. parts, tools.

This would be great for my little project. haha

Countryboy07
11-02-2010, 10:46 AM
Update on the 12V controller and shifter bracket for the manual trans? I'm getting super excited:rockwoot: I've found a deal on an HE451VE 64/67, but am waiting to hear how long the wait will be on the controller.

-French

jrmoparin91
11-02-2010, 08:57 PM
we havnt had any time to work on the 12v controler...we will post when we have the 12v ready...as far as the shifter monunt we have them in stock.....

Countryboy07
11-02-2010, 10:48 PM
How much for the shifter mount?

jjmachine
11-03-2010, 05:33 AM
You are better off calling the shop to get a price.

jrmoparin91
11-03-2010, 09:03 PM
You are better off calling the shop to get a price.

thanks justin

sleeperman
11-28-2010, 01:18 PM
Would one of these controllers work on a 91 ve truck?

jrmoparin91
12-10-2010, 08:18 AM
again a ve is a 12v with no electronics....there for ......NO

thebullet83
01-02-2011, 04:13 PM
are there issues with the turbos seizing up like i here they do on the 6.7? most of those are blamed on the egr system, which isn't on the older trucks.

Johnyb59
01-02-2011, 08:20 PM
I haven't had any problem with mine.

cumminsproud
01-10-2011, 05:06 AM
this would be great for my build but i would need that 12v controller

WYODodge
02-07-2011, 02:23 PM
The more I read about this the more I drool. Cant wait to get home from this deployment and put mine together. :doh:

Braden, will be calling to order a controler for '03, nv5600, he351ve, EB + gear shift bracket after I get back.

ztk7220
08-07-2011, 01:39 PM
the must have something for the 12v now but will it work on a manual b/c it says its controled by the tps sensor any info would be awsome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-WBVXwcwls

Johnyb59
08-07-2011, 02:22 PM
That's a Garrett. Different animal than a holset.

turbomatt1
08-10-2011, 12:20 PM
Please tell me the 12v controller is still in the works.....

tater_thrower76
08-10-2011, 01:49 PM
subscribed

jrmoparin91
08-25-2011, 07:53 AM
still have plans......just not right now. during the off season of is when we get to have fun and invent new things and make better old ones....

im_compensating
09-24-2011, 11:13 AM
Would it be worthwile to get either a 351ve or 451ve then go twins, not compound but either 2 351s or 2 451s? if so which would be the better setup if ur end goal was 1000hp?

Brayden
10-04-2011, 11:26 PM
Please tell me the 12v controller is still in the works.....

The completely standalone (12v, honda, briggs & stratton, etc) HE351VE controller should be available by the end of this month!

Brayden

tater_thrower76
10-05-2011, 03:46 AM
The completely standalone (12v, honda, briggs & stratton, etc) HE351VE controller should be available by the end of this month!

Brayden

I think this just changed my turbo plans

carpenca
10-05-2011, 05:06 PM
Video coming up shortly!

The controller will be based off of boost, and will require an additonal aftermarket boost sensor. Pre-Order a controller this week and we will sell the Controller for the same $625 price as the other controllers and throw the additional sensor in FREE!

Did I mention the controller is going to be 100% tuneable via USB, and will still offer the Exhaust Braking Feature!

Caleb

carpenca
10-05-2011, 05:47 PM
Short Video...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqygT-ne_zw)


Caleb

rotory26
10-06-2011, 04:13 AM
Video coming up shortly!

The controller will be based off of boost, and will require an additonal aftermarket boost sensor. Pre-Order a controller this week and we will sell the Controller for the same $625 price as the other controllers and throw the additional sensor in FREE!

Did I mention the controller is going to be 100% tuneable via USB, and will still offer the Exhaust Braking Feature!

Caleb

Nice work Fleece and Caleb. Arsome. Now we can just watch all the insane setups come out of the closet.:clap:

nilsson
10-17-2011, 12:21 PM
Video coming up shortly!

The controller will be based off of boost, and will require an additonal aftermarket boost sensor. Pre-Order a controller this week and we will sell the Controller for the same $625 price as the other controllers and throw the additional sensor in FREE!

Did I mention the controller is going to be 100% tuneable via USB, and will still offer the Exhaust Braking Feature!

Caleb
Will it be based of boost only? Will not that give the same problem with high drive pressure (bad mileage) when cruise with light load?
I will be very interested in this stuff, already have a 351 vgt on the self.
//nilsson

nilsson
10-20-2011, 12:54 AM
Will it be based of boost only? Will not that give the same problem with high drive pressure (bad mileage) when cruise with light load?
I will be very interested in this stuff, already have a 351 vgt on the self.
//nilsson

Anyone that knows?
//nilsson

manny31
10-30-2011, 11:16 PM
PM me info I want one

wagoneer
11-17-2011, 02:21 AM
I like to get one of this controller for my 12V. How can I order it? In your webpage dont have 12V controller yet.

dzljon
11-17-2011, 05:41 AM
Short Video...
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqygT-ne_zw)


Caleb



:rockwoot:

Johnyb59
11-17-2011, 05:59 AM
I like to get one of this controller for my 12V. How can I order it? In your webpage dont have 12V controller yet.

Call the shop and talk to Caleb 765-676-5063. Or you can email them at info@fleeceperformance.com

rcarro001
11-19-2011, 11:06 PM
do you have the software to work with your other controlers if so I would like to be able to change mine some the exhaust brake doesn't work very well. It is a great turbo though. I have seen 57 psi out of it & my truck runs clean. Not real hard fueling due to clutch can't hold.

turbowolf
01-17-2012, 10:39 AM
hello everybody just joined the forum seeking info for a vgt upgrade I'll be undertaking soon*nx*

wideopen
11-30-2012, 01:34 PM
Reopened

AsTroSS
11-30-2012, 01:41 PM
Thanks

Now when my friend Wagoneer got his ride running with 351VGT-S472 , the motivation hit me today.

Now I am back at this topic first post, He431VGT (I have two one with 57mm inpeller and second 60mm) and HE551VGT (71mm impeller)

To good street truck the 57mm+ 71mm should be ideal, at least in my head.

Also both turbos will stay VGT, controlled with air cylinders

So let's see how they act with stock motor for beginning



If Fleece will start selling the elcetronic VGT controllers, I am still interested ,because one new He351VT waiting to start using ... and I have lots of projects where to use it

Strokin_power
04-03-2013, 12:07 PM
Anyone that knows?
//nilsson

Curious as well

AsTroSS
04-03-2013, 01:21 PM
Curious as well

They canceled prodution idea,they even do not want to build few as special order

BramanteCummins
04-03-2013, 01:27 PM
Thanks

Now when my friend Wagoneer got his ride running with 351VGT-S472 , the motivation hit me today.

Now I am back at this topic first post, He431VGT (I have two one with 57mm inpeller and second 60mm) and HE551VGT (71mm impeller)

To good street truck the 57mm+ 71mm should be ideal, at least in my head.

Also both turbos will stay VGT, controlled with air cylinders

So let's see how they act with stock motor for beginning



If Fleece will start selling the elcetronic VGT controllers, I am still interested ,because one new He351VT waiting to start using ... and I have lots of projects where to use it

Did you ever run the two? I'm doing this only with 66-80 Vgts.

AsTroSS
04-03-2013, 01:40 PM
No , I sold the engine before, but I still have those turbos + few more , maybe with next engine ... 4 cylinder :evil

BramanteCummins
04-03-2013, 01:41 PM
I may have interest on my 4bt project....

d_lperformance
04-03-2013, 01:44 PM
have fleece's vgt controller on 3 trucks 98 00 03 and like the control now looking for a he451 vgt any leads would be apprieciated

BramanteCummins
04-03-2013, 01:51 PM
have fleece's vgt controller on 3 trucks 98 00 03 and like the control now looking for a he451 vgt any leads would be apprieciated

What size? You can go with an he400 that's a 66/67 from a guy on eBay. The seller is "go.cat.go". Thing is pretty much brand new.

What's the 98 you have it on? 12 or 24v?