s510 a/r question

[jsf350]

looking at a S510/595 but questioning which a/r would be best
1.15 or 1.45?
this would be used under a htt 66/73/16

thanks

[SPEEDSHIFT]

I had a thread about the same set almost, but it didnt bring much info. My secondary would be a 66/73/14 though.

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92665

[morkable]

you street driving this?

[Scorpiont]

I think you would be find with the 1.15 housing.

[Tate]

I think the 1.15 housing would be adequate. Its a big turbine on that turbo.

[jsf350]

you street driving this?

every once and a while:rockwoot:

the 66/73/16 spools very fast (faster then i thought it would)

I think the 1.15 housing would be adequate. Its a big turbine on that turbo.

thats what i was thinking- the 1.15 might help spool the 510 turbo alittle faster

[jsf350]

found some high flow s510 (known as the s595) with either 1.15 or 1.45 ex housings for $2,251

edit new site..... $2k flat (whoo ho) wife said "you have a credit card"

[jsf350]

extreme prejudice (trent nell) s510 - $1900

[not enoughsmoke]

1:15 is jeplings size but he has a bigger secondary spools like 1600rpms

[DRTurbo]

I would suggest a GT55. Smaller packaged and will spool faster and make more power. Also you can get a .90A/R on the unit as well. Their is though a S500-94SX performance unit with the .85A/R available though.

[SPEEDSHIFT]

What would a GT55 cost compared to the 595?

[DRTurbo]

What would a GT55 cost compared to the 595?

GT55 is around 300-600 more depending on the options (billet wheels, housings...etc)

[SmokinCAT]

GT55 is around 300-600 more depending on the options (billet wheels, housings...etc)

Your talking new correct, I don't think you going to touch one for 2K right? Also don't all the newer GT55 come with the billet wheels or do they make one that is still cast?

[Scorpiont]

Your talking new correct, I don't think you going to touch one for 2K right? Also don't all the newer GT55 come with the billet wheels or do they make one that is still cast?

You can get them journal bearing and with cast wheels.

[DRTurbo]

You can get them journal bearing and with cast wheels.

Correct...we build all the GT55 models in cast or billet and DBB or Non-DBB

[DRTurbo]

Your talking new correct, I don't think you going to touch one for 2K right? Also don't all the newer GT55 come with the billet wheels or do they make one that is still cast?


Yes, they are usually in the 2300-2700 range depending on the parts used.

[dvst8r]

So GT55

or

S510 95mm ET-R wheel?

Seems to me they **Should** be about the same price point.

[DRTurbo]

So GT55

or

S510 95mm ET-R wheel?

Seems to me they **Should** be about the same price point.

The S510 with an ET-R 94mm wheel will be around the same price point indeed.

[zstroken]

The S510 with an ET-R 94mm wheel will be around the same price point indeed.


Which one will move more air?

[murphy41]

extreme prejudice (trent nell) s510 - $1900

Ask him about the turbo hes running now. Its called the PBK (Phat Bastard Killer) its a turbo a local shop here puts together. And Im gonna say its a nasty Son of a B!tch. 100/94/1.45 cant remember the turbine for sure, but id look into that turbo and its pretty affordable.

[SPEEDSHIFT]

Anymore info on the Phat Bastard Killer? Who builds it?

[dvst8r]

The S510 with an ET-R 94mm wheel will be around the same price point indeed.

Which would you recommend?

[DRTurbo]

Which one will move more air?

GT55....much better turbine side. The GT55 turbine is a piece of art work.

[DRTurbo]

Which would you recommend?


GT55, smaller to package by far, quicker spooling....easy to get parts. :Cheer:

[dvst8r]

Does the GT55 compressor side move as much air as the ET-R wheel, or should I be looking into a hybrid with the ET-R wheel on the GT55?

[trentnell]

Anymore info on the Phat Bastard Killer? Who builds it?

Gillett Diesel builds it , 100mm comp wheel , 108 mm exducer on the turbine side, clipped turbine wheel and tight A/R , 360 deg thrusts , and bigger main shaft than a GT55 . The best part about this turbo is its spools real good for the size , I can get 5psi out of it on the line while total boost is around 15-20 , probably spools 2-3 times faster than my S510 did . turbo paired with a S475 has made almost 1200 track proven hp on fuel at a DA of 7k on my truck and similar #'s on another truck up in canada , both trapping arounf 144-145 in the 1/4 mile .

[morkable]

Trent can you send me a PM as to how much that unit is worth?

[rawdog]

i have heard the gt55 ball bearing is not serviceable and expect a wait if it does need to be repaired.whats the story.

[jepling]

I drive mine daily and tow 9000# 5 days a week with my 472/595 twins. i am running the 1.15 on my 95 and a .90 on the 72. drive pressure is 1 to 1 up to 95#. i have been running this setup for about a year now.

[$and$hark]

Gillett Diesel builds it , 100mm comp wheel , 108 mm exducer on the turbine side, clipped turbine wheel and tight A/R , 360 deg thrusts , and bigger main shaft than a GT55 . The best part about this turbo is its spools real good for the size , I can get 5psi out of it on the line while total boost is around 15-20 , probably spools 2-3 times faster than my S510 did . turbo paired with a S475 has made almost 1200 track proven hp on fuel at a DA of 7k on my truck and similar #'s on another truck up in canada , both trapping around 144-145 in the 1/4 mile .

They Make this turbo for anyone to buy if they want to run it in a twin set up? How do you guys think it would operate running a 66/73/16 HTT turbo as the small charger? it is not a daily driven truck. is just my drag racing vehicle. How would it handle having a little :nos: thrown in the mix if i ever felt the urge?

Any info is appreciated,thanks.

[murphy41]

Gillett Diesel builds it , 100mm comp wheel , 108 mm exducer on the turbine side, clipped turbine wheel and tight A/R , 360 deg thrusts , and bigger main shaft than a GT55 . The best part about this turbo is its spools real good for the size , I can get 5psi out of it on the line while total boost is around 15-20 , probably spools 2-3 times faster than my S510 did . turbo paired with a S475 has made almost 1200 track proven hp on fuel at a DA of 7k on my truck and similar #'s on another truck up in canada , both trapping arounf 144-145 in the 1/4 mile .

Thanks Trent, couldnt remember the specs for sure. :doh:

[DRTurbo]

Does the GT55 compressor side move as much air as the ET-R wheel, or should I be looking into a hybrid with the ET-R wheel on the GT55?


The ET-R wheel is compressor wheels made by us. I think your confusing them with ETT, which is BW's "extended Tip". The ET-R wheels move 10% more air then conventional design. BW 95 moves 154lbs/min. The ET-R moves 171lbs/min, or more then a larger 100mm conventional compressor wheel and a fraction of the weight :Cheer:. Which means the unit will spool ALOT faster.

[DRTurbo]

i have heard the gt55 ball bearing is not serviceable and expect a wait if it does need to be repaired.whats the story.

The GT55 DBB is not serviceable to a degree. The Ball bearings themselves can not be purchased nor serviced. BUT, that is why we build them also in a journal bearing design.

[jsf350]

Trent can you send me a PM as to how much that unit is worth?

X2! please Trent (heard about alittle carnage- sorry)

another place-
$1841
Total Performance and Service: Borg-Warner Turbos Price List (http://www.tpswestpalm.com/list.html)

[SPEEDSHIFT]

I drive mine daily and tow 9000# 5 days a week with my 472/595 twins. i am running the 1.15 on my 95 and a .90 on the 72. drive pressure is 1 to 1 up to 95#. i have been running this setup for about a year now.

Do you have any pics of that setup?

[Luken]

Jeplings twins.

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14109&d=1232842461

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14110&d=1232842461

[SPEEDSHIFT]

I just talked to Steve @ Gillett Diesel, here are the specs he gave me on the

Phat Bastard Killer: 98/141()108ex, 1.0 housing, based off a GT series turbo(larger than GT55) cast wheels. $2700

[DRTurbo]

I just talked to Steve @ Gillett Diesel, here are the specs he gave me on the

Phat Bastard Killer: 98/141()108ex, 1.0 housing, based off a GT series turbo(larger than GT55) cast wheels. $2700

That is a GT98 F-trim. We carry those as well.....good bit cheaper also. We build those units up to 115mm Billet wheeled compressors for the S/F tractors. Work awesome indeed...but they will spool a good bit slower then a GT55....alot more weight in the rotating mass.

[SPEEDSHIFT]

That is a GT98 F-trim. We carry those as well.....good bit cheaper also. We build those units up to 115mm Billet wheeled compressors for the S/F tractors. Work awesome indeed...but they will spool a good bit slower then a GT55....alot more weight in the rotating mass.

Price?:D

[DRTurbo]

Price?:D

They are $2199

[DRTurbo]

Sorry that should be $2099 not 2199. :Cheer:

[trentnell]

That is a GT98 F-trim. We carry those as well.....good bit cheaper also. We build those units up to 115mm Billet wheeled compressors for the S/F tractors. Work awesome indeed...but they will spool a good bit slower then a GT55....alot more weight in the rotating mass.

at 2099 is that a genuine Garrett piece or Chinese version ? 360 deg thrust upgrade ? clipped wheel ? if so that's a dang good price because i know what it cost to build one .

[SPEEDSHIFT]

Does anyone have a pic or size dem of a GT98 or PBK? I just need an idea of what kind of size we are talking here.

Jepling, is that the comp cover that came with it, or something you had to get extra? With the 90* going backwards towards the exhaust side of the turbo... Also I cant see your a/c dryer, did you have to remove it, or maybe I just cant see it in the pic?

[DRTurbo]

at 2099 is that a genuine Garrett piece or Chinese version ? 360 deg thrust upgrade ? clipped wheel ? if so that's a dang good price because i know what it cost to build one .

Garrett. We build/CNC only OE parts from castings. Clipped wheel is standard from Garrett. As for 360 thrust...it can be added though not necessary, as all GT's use 270 deg thrust (GT42, GT45, GT47, GT55...etc)

[DRTurbo]

Does anyone have a pic or size dem of a GT98 or PBK? I just need an idea of what kind of size we are talking here.

Jepling, is that the comp cover that came with it, or something you had to get extra? With the 90* going backwards towards the exhaust side of the turbo... Also I cant see your a/c dryer, did you have to remove it, or maybe I just cant see it in the pic?

GT98

http://www.forcedinductions.com/IMG00013.jpg

[dvst8r]

Ok so a GT5533 with the 94mm wheel, or the GT98?

I looks like I am giving up about 7lbs/min, but is the rest of the GT55 a better charger, After all it is about $600 more, both in journal bearing versions.

[jepling]

Does anyone have a pic or size dem of a GT98 or PBK? I just need an idea of what kind of size we are talking here.

Jepling, is that the comp cover that came with it, or something you had to get extra? With the 90* going backwards towards the exhaust side of the turbo... Also I cant see your a/c dryer, did you have to remove it, or maybe I just cant see it in the pic?

That is the cover that came on it , had the 90 tig d on it along with the 90 on the intake of the 400, that picture was taken before i got everything complete ,i had to move the dryer over a few inches to clear the down pipe.

[shiftycapone]

at 2099 is that a genuine Garrett piece or Chinese version ? 360 deg thrust upgrade ? clipped wheel ? if so that's a dang good price because i know what it cost to build one .

Doubt they would sell chinese knock offs man:bang

[Scorpiont]

Ok so a GT5533 with the 94mm wheel, or the GT98?

I looks like I am giving up about 7lbs/min, but is the rest of the GT55 a better charger, After all it is about $600 more, both in journal bearing versions.

Theres quite a difference in spool between the GT98 F-trim and the GT5533. For most diesel guys, the GT55 is plenty.

[DRTurbo]

Theres quite a difference in spool between the GT98 F-trim and the GT5533. For most diesel guys, the GT55 is plenty.

Agreed. Only our wild customers order the big thumpers. We have a few twin guys though running the GT106's .....so they are out there. :Cheer:

[DRTurbo]

Ok so a GT5533 with the 94mm wheel, or the GT98?

I looks like I am giving up about 7lbs/min, but is the rest of the GT55 a better charger, After all it is about $600 more, both in journal bearing versions.

GT55 spools faster, much better throttle response with it, and very few people can exceed what a GT55-94 can put out.

[trentnell]

Does anyone have a pic or size dem of a GT98 or PBK? I just need an idea of what kind of size we are talking here.

Jepling, is that the comp cover that came with it, or something you had to get extra? With the 90* going backwards towards the exhaust side of the turbo... Also I cant see your a/c dryer, did you have to remove it, or maybe I just cant see it in the pic?

http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo80/trentnell/DSCF3292.jpg

http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo80/trentnell/DSCF2779.jpg


Doubt they would sell chinese knock offs man:bang

Its was not a dig towards them , i have a great deal of respect for Forced Inductions , and have heard alot of good things about them , just an honest question .

[jsf350]

so s595 is good($1800) but gt98f is better($2100) but the gt 55 tops them all (but whats the price)

[DRTurbo]

so s595 is good($1800) but gt98f is better($2100) but the gt 55 tops them all (but whats the price)



GT55 is the best mix of spool and power....period. As for pricing...send us a PM. We can get you taken care of, but there are several options for the GT55's we now CNC and offer.

[shiftycapone]

http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo80/trentnell/DSCF3292.jpg






Its was not a dig towards them , i have a great deal of respect for Forced Inductions , and have heard alot of good things about them , just an honest question .

My bad man:Cheer:

[bigbaddodge9088]

My bad man:Cheer:

Hopefully this worked, because if it did, this will show you trent nells work on my dodge with a 72mm and the PBK, its ones of the best custom kits i have ever seen and should be pretty insane once its dialed in.

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=15&pictureid=20

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=15&pictureid=16

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=15&pictureid=55

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=15&pictureid=54

[longhorn859]

subscribed. looking to put something under my s468 in the future.

[jsf350]

well i went with a 84mm on the bottom- (for now ..... until $$$$ gets built up)
specs-
Comp in ~ 84mm
comp ex ~ 117mm
turbine ex ~ 97mm
turbine in ~ 108mm
t6 nondivided free float 1.23a/r

http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/lawnstripes/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG00068-20101003-1834.jpg

now a question about the GT55.......which is better? Ball Bearing vs Journal...... i would think the bb would spool faster/ takes less oil feed/ the bb are stronger- takes more of a load
BUT is it worth $1400 more (roughly)

[DRTurbo]

well i went with a 84mm on the bottom- (for now ..... until $$$$ gets built up)
specs-
Comp in ~ 84mm
comp ex ~ 117mm
turbine ex ~ 97mm
turbine in ~ 108mm
t6 nondivided free float 1.23a/r

http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/lawnstripes/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG00068-20101003-1834.jpg

now a question about the GT55.......which is better? Ball Bearing vs Journal...... i would think the bb would spool faster/ takes less oil feed/ the bb are stronger- takes more of a load
BUT is it worth $1400 more (roughly)

99.9% of the time......no, the journal bearing version can and will take almost anything you can throw at it. Most of our GT55 customers running the 94mm and even larger 98mm version are all journal bearing. :charger:

[Big Blue24]

well i went with a 84mm on the bottom- (for now ..... until $$$$ gets built up)
specs-
Comp in ~ 84mm
comp ex ~ 117mm
turbine ex ~ 97mm
turbine in ~ 108mm
t6 nondivided free float 1.23a/r





Your current bottom turbo specs sound awfully close to an HT4B. I noticed your bottom turbo spins the traditional direction so it's definitely not an HT4B. How well do you like the setup?

[DRTurbo]

Your current bottom turbo specs sound awfully close to an HT4B. I noticed your bottom turbo spins the traditional direction so it's definitely not an HT4B. How well do you like the setup?

Its a TV series unit. Some of our customer use those units still.....great piece and usually a little more compact.

[jsf350]

99.9% of the time......no, the journal bearing version can and will take almost anything you can throw at it. Most of our GT55 customers running the 94mm and even larger 98mm version are all journal bearing. :charger:

thanks for the info...... less money needed to save now:rockwoot:

How much do you sell the tv's for? (i think there is an 88mm as well as the 84 i have)

any idea how much psi the TV turbos can be pushed to and still be reliable(ish)?

big blue24- i like it so far- i havent seen over 30 psi total (10psi bottom) and the rear end was sliding all over the place :hehe:
(not sure on all psi numbers as to many gauges to to look at and trying to keep the truck on the road)

[Scorpiont]

thanks for the info...... less money needed to save now:rockwoot:

How much do you sell the tv's for? (i think there is an 88mm as well as the 84 i have)

any idea how much psi the TV turbos can be pushed to and still be reliable(ish)?

big blue24- i like it so far- i havent seen over 30 psi total (10psi bottom) and the rear end was sliding all over the place :hehe:
(not sure on all psi numbers as to many gauges to to look at and trying to keep the truck on the road)

I think you would be happier spending a little more money and buying a newer unit. Sure, the TV series works, but its not as good as units that have been updated.

[murphy41]

Hopefully this worked, because if it did, this will show you trent nells work on my dodge with a 72mm and the PBK, its ones of the best custom kits i have ever seen and should be pretty insane once its dialed in.

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=15&pictureid=20

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=15&pictureid=16

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=15&pictureid=55

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=15&pictureid=54

Looks good Jhonny, any luck getting it dialed in yet??

[DRTurbo]

thanks for the info...... less money needed to save now:rockwoot:

How much do you sell the tv's for? (i think there is an 88mm as well as the 84 i have)

any idea how much psi the TV turbos can be pushed to and still be reliable(ish)?

big blue24- i like it so far- i havent seen over 30 psi total (10psi bottom) and the rear end was sliding all over the place :hehe:
(not sure on all psi numbers as to many gauges to to look at and trying to keep the truck on the road)

We can upgrade them up to 91mm :evil

[bigbaddodge9088]

Looks good Jhonny, any luck getting it dialed in yet??

I havent talked to trent yet, but it should be close. He needed to dial in the wastegate, put straps on the battery bracket that he built and put in some gauges, other then that it ran good when i drove it... its going to be an animal, im hoping to pick it up next week sometime.

[jsf350]

I think you would be happier spending a little more money and buying a newer unit. Sure, the TV series works, but its not as good as units that have been updated.


yes there are plenty of other turbos ......... but on the cheap the tv series seem to be pretty good (mine was $550 BRAND NEW!!!!!!) for those without a huge amount of $$$


We can upgrade them up to 91mm :evil

hmmmm. can u post the upgrade cost? thanks

[DRTurbo]

yes there are plenty of other turbos ......... but on the cheap the tv series seem to be pretty good (mine was $550 BRAND NEW!!!!!!) for those without a huge amount of $$$




hmmmm. can u post the upgrade cost? thanks

Depending on the unit....upgrade for that should be around 399.

You can later upgrade to one of these....lol GT55-94 ET-R...that should break 1000hp..:hehe:

http://www.forcedinductions.com/images/turbopics/GT55-94ETR.jpg

[ben@npd]

Depending on the unit....upgrade for that should be around 399.

You can later upgrade to one of these....lol GT55-94 ET-R...that should break 1000hp..:hehe:

http://www.forcedinductions.com/images/turbopics/GT55-94ETR.jpg

MAYBE!!!!!:hehe:

whats the size difference (outside dimentions) between the tv84 and gt 55?

*Jf350 posting from npd*

[DRTurbo]

MAYBE!!!!!:hehe:

whats the size difference (outside dimentions) between the tv84 and gt 55?

*Jf350 posting from npd*

TV84 is about the same size. Here are the external dims. of the GT55...

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/images/catalog/Turbochargers/gt55_pdfs/Garrett%20GT5533R%20769115-1,2,3,4,5.pdf

[joefarmer]

The ET-R wheel is compressor wheels made by us. I think your confusing them with ETT, which is BW's "extended Tip". The ET-R wheels move 10% more air then conventional design. BW 95 moves 154lbs/min. The ET-R moves 171lbs/min, or more then a larger 100mm conventional compressor wheel and a fraction of the weight :Cheer:. Which means the unit will spool ALOT faster.
How many more lbs/min would the biggest ETR wheel on a GT55 move than my current s491? How about in comparison to a 96mm cast HC5A?

I'm also curious how the turbine on a GT55 is improved over a typical HC5A Holset that CDS would produce? Why is it better other than it looks better?

[Mike Holmen]

TV84 is about the same size. Here are the external dims. of the GT55...

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/images/catalog/Turbochargers/gt55_pdfs/Garrett%20GT5533R%20769115-1,2,3,4,5.pdf

How does the S510 compare to the TV94? You can get a tighter turbine A/R on the TV94, than the S510. Both have similar sized compressor inducers.

[DRTurbo]

How many more lbs/min would the biggest ETR wheel on a GT55 move than my current s491? How about in comparison to a 96mm cast HC5A?

I'm also curious how the turbine on a GT55 is improved over a typical HC5A Holset that CDS would produce? Why is it better other than it looks better?

A 91 flows 154lbs/min. The ET-R 91 flows 170lbs/min. A 96mm cast HC5A wheel was at best 150-155 as the older HC5A/HX82 were never high HP wheels....but they worked and that is what mattered. For the app they were used for they were primo wheels. As for the turbine on the GT55, its much more improved on the aerodynamics, but you still can not beat the shear size of the HC5A/HX82 turbine wheels. But, if you are running a turbo that size I would suggest the GT thumper series from Garrett. Equal size turbine wheel as the HC5A, but around 7-10lbs/min more of turbine flow. The G-trim turbine flows dang near 100lbs/min on the exhaust side. That is massive flow :bang

[DRTurbo]

How does the S510 compare to the TV94? You can get a tighter turbine A/R on the TV94, than the S510. Both have similar sized compressor inducers.

S510/S500 = GT55

The TV94 has no equal from BW at this time. Their only turbo that matched it was the S130 and the S600 which never was completed. The S600 would have been a beast!!

The GT's use a 130mm inducer turbine....the S510 is only 111, like the GT55.

[Signature600]

Just a question...can you do anything with an old T18A Air research?? Might need something bigger than the 3.6" wheel that's in it now:D

Chris

[DRTurbo]

Just a question...can you do anything with an old T18A Air research?? Might need something bigger than the 3.6" wheel that's in it now:D

Chris

Chris...yes The T18A was the 1st version of the TV94's. So most of the wheels can be made to work. The bearing package is different and not near as durable and also some of the early wheels were flat backs, and not stepped. But we can CNC the wheels down to work in them if needed.

[Signature600]

Ok, thanks...maybe I'll need something bigger later:D

Chris

[joefarmer]

A 91 flows 154lbs/min. The ET-R 91 flows 170lbs/min. A 96mm cast HC5A wheel was at best 150-155 as the older HC5A/HX82 were never high HP wheels....but they worked and that is what mattered. For the app they were used for they were primo wheels. As for the turbine on the GT55, its much more improved on the aerodynamics, but you still can not beat the shear size of the HC5A/HX82 turbine wheels. But, if you are running a turbo that size I would suggest the GT thumper series from Garrett. Equal size turbine wheel as the HC5A, but around 7-10lbs/min more of turbine flow. The G-trim turbine flows dang near 100lbs/min on the exhaust side. That is massive flow :bang
That's some very useful knowledge. The reason I ask about the HC5A is because I bent the shaft in mine and substituted the s491 mid-season. I noticed the power seemed to drop a decent bit (.4s in the 1/8mi) even though the compressor side was close to identical. How do you prevent the shafts in these large turbos from bending when they surge?

[97singlecab]

Wow lots of good info in here. DrTurbo can you get individual compressor covers for gt4294's. I have the part number I need but haven't been able to locate a dealer that has one.

[Signature600]

Wow lots of good info in here. DrTurbo can you get individual compressor covers for gt4294's. I have the part number I need but haven't been able to locate a dealer that has one.

I think I have one...or maybe it's for a 4202. I know I have one for a 67mm wheel if you can't find anything else, it could be machined!

I'll look at what I have for sure!
Chris

[97singlecab]

I think I have one...or maybe it's for a 4202. I know I have one for a 67mm wheel if you can't find anything else, it could be machined!

I'll look at what I have for sure!
Chris

The one i am looking for is for the 67mm wheel.

[DRTurbo]

The one i am looking for is for the 67mm wheel.

We carry GT42 covers in stock.

[jsf350]

drturbo- would u mind posting a price on a tv 84? many are asking/looking for a price.

many understand it isnt the "greatest" turbo.... but it is another option.... if the price is right

thanks

[DRTurbo]

drturbo- would u mind posting a price on a tv 84? many are asking/looking for a price.

many understand it isnt the "greatest" turbo.... but it is another option.... if the price is right

thanks

Sure we can see what is available in A/R's and sizes on comp wheels. How big are you guys looking for on the TV84's?

[jsf350]

i've had a lot of pm's about my tv 84 with a 1.23 a/r ......... but im not a turbo vendor

the 91mm upgrade sounds good to me..... but i think i will just pony up for the gt 55


note - the whole htt 66/ tv 84 setup spools surprisingly very fast
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/lawnstripes/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG00068-20101003-1834.jpg

[Luken]

jsf, what kind of boots are those? Have you had any problems with them?

[jsf350]

got them here along with the piping--- good prices/ no issues with them either-- t-bolt clamps very cheap as well (3.50)

Silicone Couplers - Columbia River Mandrel Bending (http://www.mandrel-bends.com/catalog/silicone-couplers-122/)

[DRTurbo]

i've had a lot of pm's about my tv 84 with a 1.23 a/r ......... but im not a turbo vendor

the 91mm upgrade sounds good to me..... but i think i will just pony up for the gt 55


note - the whole htt 66/ tv 84 setup spools surprisingly very fast
http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy68/lawnstripes/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG00068-20101003-1834.jpg

We have some TV84's coming in....if you guys need pricing on them, let us know.

[jsf350]

if you could post a $$$ ... i wouldnt have to return pm's and just send them your way

[DRTurbo]

if you could post a $$$ ... i wouldnt have to return pm's and just send them your way

Most of the TV84's are in the $1500-$1600 range. Also the mid-frame GT88 and GT91 are the hot ticket right now. GT42 size and they flow 140lbs/min. They are also $1249-$1349 respectively.

[Mike Holmen]

Most of the TV84's are in the $1500-$1600 range. Also the mid-frame GT88 and GT91 are the hot ticket right now. GT42 size and they flow 140lbs/min. They are also $1249-$1349 respectively.

what different compressor impellers and turbine configurations you have for the GT88 and GT91?

By mid frame, its for the T06 turbine flange, correct.

[DRTurbo]

what different compressor impellers and turbine configurations you have for the GT88 and GT91?

By mid frame, its for the T06 turbine flange, correct.

compressors are:

80mm
88mm
91mm

Turbines are 93mm, and 98mm turbine. They are indeed T6 flange.

[jsf350]

Most of the TV84's are in the $1500-$1600 range. Also the mid-frame GT88 and GT91 are the hot ticket right now. GT42 size and they flow 140lbs/min. They are also $1249-$1349 respectively.

WOW- ok i got a killer deal on my TV84 then ($550)..... the upgrade to a 91mm wheel still sounds awesome!!!

[DRTurbo]

WOW- ok i got a killer deal on my TV84 then ($550)..... the upgrade to a 91mm wheel still sounds awesome!!!

You can find some in good deals out there, but direct from Garrett they are not cheap anymore. The 91mm upgrade is well worth it for sure.

[jsf350]

the 91 mm - cast wheel or billet? u might be getting my turbo over the winter

[DRTurbo]

the 91 mm - cast wheel or billet? u might be getting my turbo over the winter

Its a cast wheel. The billets offer ZERO advantage over the cast unless the design is changed over its cast counterpart. It is stronger though, but very FEW people on this planet can take a compressor wheel above burst threshold anyhow. Most units hit a wall of backpressure before the reach that line.

[Mike Holmen]

Dr turbo, Are there different compressor/turbine housing sizes available? Can you get the compressor housing material aluminum? Looked at a TV94 last week, it weighed a ton. The compressor housing was made from cast steel.

As for your compressor impellers, you guys calculating the mach speed of the moving air on the impeller tip? Could explain your backpressure.

[DRTurbo]

Dr turbo, Are there different compressor/turbine housing sizes available? Can you get the compressor housing material aluminum? Looked at a TV94 last week, it weighed a ton. The compressor housing was made from cast steel.

As for your compressor impellers, you guys calculating the mach speed of the moving air on the impeller tip? Could explain your backpressure.

The covers are all aluminum. We use no cast covers....


As for comp wheel mapping....its very in depth, but to put it simple you measure compressor and turbine wheel speed, compressor airflow rate, turbine exhaust flow rate, compressor pressure ratios and turbine expansion ratio. From those data points you derive a comp map......all of this done under X temp which can not deviate. This applies to both the comp and turbine side.

[joefarmer]

Its a cast wheel. The billets offer ZERO advantage over the cast unless the design is changed over its cast counterpart. It is stronger though, but very FEW people on this planet can take a compressor wheel above burst threshold anyhow. Most units hit a wall of backpressure before the reach that line.
Hurrah! I'm in an exclusive club of just a few people! :hehe:

Seriously though, I was thinking that the billet offered better stability due to less mass?

[jsf350]

Hurrah! I'm in an exclusive club of just a few people! :hehe:

Seriously though, I was thinking that the billet offered better stability due to less mass?

your kinda a "unicorn" :hehe::hehe::hehe:

[DRTurbo]

Hurrah! I'm in an exclusive club of just a few people! :hehe:

Seriously though, I was thinking that the billet offered better stability due to less mass?

Less mass...would be cast then. If you duplicate two wheels, one in billet, one in cast, the cast will be lighter. Less dense. Billet does not have casting pores like cast wheels.

[jsf350]

bump-

gt 55 can come with what wheels? and what would the flow be with the different wheels?

[DRTurbo]

bump-

gt 55 can come with what wheels? and what would the flow be with the different wheels?

It can come with 80mm up to 106mm and cast and billet counter parts. Also with the HP ET-R wheels as well....

http://www.forcedinductions.com/GT55ETRmid.jpg

[Yellow Jacket]

WOW- ok i got a killer deal on my TV84 then ($550)..... the upgrade to a 91mm wheel still sounds awesome!!!

You can find some in good deals out there, but direct from Garrett they are not cheap anymore. The 91mm upgrade is well worth it for sure.


Is the TV84 what is used on a Detroit 8V92??? Or is that a AiResearch or Garrett thumper type charger???

[Yellow Jacket]

bump-

gt 55 can come with what wheels? and what would the flow be with the different wheels?


91mm flows a little over 150 lbs/min
94mm flows about 160 lbs/min
106mm flows about 180 lbs/min

This is just rough idea from Garrett's website...

I have heard that a 10% gain in comp. flow with the billet ETR wheels, (11 full blades, no half blades like what he pictured) I have seen no dyno results that prove this, and anyone that I know that tried one did not have the results that they claim... They look BADA$$ though!

I think a GT45 externally wastegated into a 106mm GT55 would be a lot of fun...

[jsf350]

91 flows a little over 150 lbs/min
94 flows about 160 lbs/min
106 flows about 180 lbs/min

This is just rough idea from Garrett's website...

I have heard that a 10% gain in comp. flow with the billet ETR wheels, (11 full blades, no half blades like what he pictured) I have seen no dyno results that prove this, and anyone that I know that tried one did not have the results that they claim...

I think a GT45 externally wastegated into a 106mm GT55 would be a lot of fun...

Yes sounds really fun and BIG $$$$$$

hopefully next year there will be a GT55 on the bottom....... or just find a turbo sponsor......... Jose:poke:

[Yellow Jacket]

Yes sounds really fun and BIG $$$$$$

hopefully next year there will be a GT55 on the bottom....... or just find a turbo sponsor......... Jose:poke:


The 91-98mm Garrett thumper with the F-trim exhaust and the .9 or 1.0 A/R would probably work for you. I think the 91mm is only $2100 or $2200 new... I say only, but it is a cheaper alternative to the GT55($2600-$2700), but it doesn't spool quite as well from what I'm told...but with twins that isn't that big of an issue!

Where did you get your TV84? Do you know what it came off of?

[jsf350]

Well Jose (dr turbo) has convinced me that the gt 55 while being alittle more $$$ is the best of the offerings- spool and flow

i picked up the tv84 new off of this forum..... my 84 is actually with Jose @ FI right now getting the 91mm upgrade

i will check my notes but i think the TV was off of the detroit 16v

[Yellow Jacket]

Well Jose (dr turbo) has convinced me that the gt 55 while being alittle more $$$ is the best of the offerings- spool and flow

i picked up the tv84 new off of this forum..... my 84 is actually with Jose @ FI right now getting the 91mm upgrade

i will check my notes but i think the TV was off of the detroit 16v


All of the 16V's are basically 2 8V92's bolted front to back... They use 2 blowers and 2 turbos, so they should be the same.

[DRTurbo]

Is the TV84 what is used on a Detroit 8V92??? Or is that a AiResearch or Garrett thumper type charger???

They were used on several DDC apps. Most will have AiResearch on the cover

[DRTurbo]

Well Jose (dr turbo) has convinced me that the gt 55 while being alittle more $$$ is the best of the offerings- spool and flow

i picked up the tv84 new off of this forum..... my 84 is actually with Jose @ FI right now getting the 91mm upgrade

i will check my notes but i think the TV was off of the detroit 16v

The GT55 is around the same price as the S500SX with the standard wheels on the GT55. If you want the ET-R or the DBB or a combination of the two it does get more $$$. Ask Ron A on this forum what he thinks of the GT55 now. He was a long time Borg Warner only man....we made a believer out of him with the GT47 and then the GT55 he has now. They simply work, spool fast, and are super efficient.

[DRTurbo]

The 91-98mm Garrett thumper with the F-trim exhaust and the .9 or 1.0 A/R would probably work for you. I think the 91mm is only $2100 or $2200 new... I say only, but it is a cheaper alternative to the GT55($2600-$2700), but it doesn't spool quite as well from what I'm told...but with twins that isn't that big of an issue!

Where did you get your TV84? Do you know what it came off of?

The 91-106mm thumpers are a little cheaper, but they are also a little slower to respond. BUT, nothing, and I mean nothing matches them on turbine flow that is performance based.

[DRTurbo]

91mm flows a little over 150 lbs/min
94mm flows about 160 lbs/min
106mm flows about 180 lbs/min

This is just rough idea from Garrett's website...

I have heard that a 10% gain in comp. flow with the billet ETR wheels, (11 full blades, no half blades like what he pictured) I have seen no dyno results that prove this, and anyone that I know that tried one did not have the results that they claim... They look BADA$$ though!

I think a GT45 externally wastegated into a 106mm GT55 would be a lot of fun...


The GT55 billet 106 DBB is a bad mofo....we have made some STUPID power with this turbo and it simply won't die. Don't forget also about the S500SX's. We carry them as well and though they don't quite flow as well on the turbine side as the GT55 their comp wheels are up to the task.

[Yellow Jacket]

The GT55 billet 106 DBB is a bad mofo....we have made some STUPID power with this turbo and it simply won't die. Don't forget also about the S500SX's. We carry them as well and though they don't quite flow as well on the turbine side as the GT55 their comp wheels are up to the task.

By billet 106mm I assume you mean ETR... What kind of power have you seen? What kind of boost?

How much does it cost to upgrade a DBB GT55 to the billet 106mm that u speak of? PM me if u don't want to post on here...

[jsf350]

By billet 106mm I assume you mean ETR... What kind of power have you seen? What kind of boost?

How much does it cost to upgrade a DBB GT55 to the billet 106mm that u speak of? PM me if u don't want to post on here...

x2!

still like the GT55 with the 94mm

[DRTurbo]

By billet 106mm I assume you mean ETR... What kind of power have you seen? What kind of boost?

How much does it cost to upgrade a DBB GT55 to the billet 106mm that u speak of? PM me if u don't want to post on here...

The 106 billet is the 6 blade unit. The 106 GT55 DBB billet is a unique animal since you can not use the 106 wheel on the other DBB GT55's. The GT55 106 billet uses a 1/2" shaft.....you read right...1/2" shaft on the stub....thats larger then anything else out there....the unit simply will not die. We have ran them on tractors and on huge diesels even as a single making stupid power and spinning the unit to the moon...never have had one come apart.

[jorge289]

So what is a thumper? Is it a A/R turbo or a Garret turbo? What did they come on?

[DRTurbo]

So what is a thumper? Is it a A/R turbo or a Garret turbo? What did they come on?

They are Garrett built.....we CNC them here in house. We build them from 88 to 115mm.

[Billy Stocklin]

Lotta good stuff here.

[AHall]

What is the smallest high pressure turbo you'd wanna run with a 91 or 94mm gt55 without choking it out in a racing app? Assuming plenty of ext w/g. Been seeing alot of 351cw/s595 setups out there recently that are eatin up 1000hp and spooling very fast. Seems like the comp on the manifold charger would be a hell of a restriction once the primary lit.

[jeff115]

What is the smallest high pressure turbo you'd wanna run with a 91 or 94mm gt55 without choking it out in a racing app? Assuming plenty of ext w/g. Been seeing alot of 351cw/s595 setups out there recently that are eatin up 1000hp and spooling very fast. Seems like the comp on the manifold charger would be a hell of a restriction once the primary lit.

where have you seen that.

[AHall]

Other forums and local

[StainlessRRA]

Other forums and local

An HE351cw, the 60mm inducer stock turbo on a 04.5-07 5.9? Really?..... Really? You sure you don't mean an S300/S500 combo?

[YOUNG GUNS15]

I hope that set is gated. lol poor 351

[jeff115]

Do you have a link to one of them?

[YOUNG GUNS15]

x2, waiting for a link from CF......lol

[jeff115]

:hehe: I have an hy35 and an hx82. Hmmmm.

[YOUNG GUNS15]

:hehe: I have an hy35 and an hx82. Hmmmm.

Do it bro, all the cool kids have those :D

[AHall]

Yes gated. Believe his setup is he351cw/s595. 2 manifold w/g. Other similar setup would be seans 3k/8k. At least that's what I thought it was anyway.
Just seems like not enough lbs/min to get the prim lit and comp a/r would be way too restrictive to fit 150 lbs/min thru it.
Regardless tho. I have a good idea where the high pressure needs to be at a minimum but these setups threw me off. It'd think at least a 64mm ett would be in order. Again this isn't a dd situation.

[YOUNG GUNS15]

I know who you are talking about that has the 3k/8k Sean Gammel correct? He was at the ASF dyno year ago and competed in DPC. Dont know the other one though

[jeff115]

Seen a few 62/65 595 trucks but I would like to know how the stock/595 works

[AHall]

Yes Sean. One example of seemingly mismatched compounds that work impressively well. The other is wickedcummins from SWCR. Very impressive 10sec truck

[dvst8r]

In terms of compressibility with no interstage cooling, I think that an HE351cw would be on the edge, or might even be a minor restriction to the S595. With a good a/w interstage cooler again I think it would be just fine.

On the turbine side, you would need at least a 50mm gate in order to bypass enough flow for that he351cw to not be immediately in the way.

Imho it could be made to work, but from my (very limited testing) is on the outside edge of how far apart you can spread the size of secondary and primary chargers.

[AHall]

I think a larger a/r comp cover would support more power and be more important than a few mm's on the inducer. Could be wrong tho

[AHall]

What is the part # for a jb gt55 94mm?

[DRTurbo]

What is the part # for a jb gt55 94mm?

No part # available. We CNC that unit here in house as a custom piece.

[AHall]

Hmm maybe 94mm only came on bb. So Urs is basically a gt5533 91mm with a 94 wheel and cover?

[DRTurbo]

Hmm maybe 94mm only came on bb. So Urs is basically a gt5533 91mm with a 94 wheel and cover?

The units we build are the GT5533 with the 94mm GT55 wheel. The units are CNC'ed to match the wheel and cover combo.