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Exodus 06-07-2016 01:58 PM

Help with fuel setup for new engine
 
Hey guys. I've called a few local shops, but I got a lot more questions than answers.

My engine is getting rebuilt, and it's time to get some pump work done. The goal is 400 reliable HP for towing. I would like low smoke if possible. What would you guys suggest for pump mods and injectors? Do I need DV's? Spring kit? fuel plate? The pump is a stock 97 215hp. Engine has a 6 speed manual behind it.

I did do a google search and searched here, but 150,000 threads came up and most were*bdh*

Thanks guys.

Redrider2911 06-07-2016 02:43 PM

If a lot of posts pulled up that were all beating the same dead horse; wouldn't that conclude that those are the mods you should look in to? Then you could narrow your searches even more by looking up those specific mods?

Exodus 06-07-2016 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrider2911 (Post 2558839)
If a lot of posts pulled up that were all beating the same dead horse; wouldn't that conclude that those are the mods you should look in to? Then you could narrow your searches even more by looking up those specific mods?



I didn't just post this thread and stop doing homework. I've been reading for 4 hours now. I do not need advice on how to use the net, thanks.

I ask advice here because it has the most cummins knowledgeable members of any forum out there.

Rich dzl 06-07-2016 04:04 PM

191 dv, 10 plate, Afc Spring kit 5x.014 injectors or ddp stg 3-4 and 4000 gsk ...

56cummins 06-07-2016 04:23 PM

^^^That is a lot of fuel. I would call whoever your buying your injectors from. I would say 5x.012 and stock D.V. until you want more.

badbowtie 06-07-2016 05:00 PM

I would go with 5x014 injectors and stock delivery valves. This will allow a small duration injection event. I would also go no plate but use afc live to tune it. You should be able to dial in a nice 400 hp tune.

96 3500 5x018 7mm dvs 62fmw

Exodus 06-08-2016 12:56 AM

Thanks guys. I did a lot of reading today. 5x012 with 055 dv's, or Badbowties suggestion sounds like it will put me in the right neighbor hood. I'll have to figure out if there is any benefits to one or the other. Prices are going to be close anyways.

jlbayes 06-08-2016 11:49 AM

Stock 215 would easily cover your needs. I would want a gsk in it personally.

khaoskustoms 06-08-2016 01:19 PM

I just did my own grind on the plate, set of 4k gov springs, 5x12 injectors and It put down 475hp and 1050ft/lbs torque with my little Aurora 3000 turbo. 215 pump also.

Exodus 06-08-2016 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by khaoskustoms (Post 2559071)
I just did my own grind on the plate, set of 4k gov springs, 5x12 injectors and It put down 475hp and 1050ft/lbs torque with my little Aurora 3000 turbo. 215 pump also.

Cool! So It sounds like 5x12's and a 3k spring with a he351 "should" get my close to 400?

Redrider2911 06-08-2016 03:05 PM

Clocked that on a Dyno? I was surprised to see that I am still under 400hp according to the Comp D 1/4 mile calculator. And I have a ground plate, 4k springs, Mac rack plug, 5x12 injectors, 024 delivery valves, and racked barrels...

Exodus 06-08-2016 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrider2911 (Post 2559104)
Clocked that on a Dyno? I was surprised to see that I am still under 400hp according to the Comp D 1/4 mile calculator. And I have a ground plate, 4k springs, Mac rack plug, 5x12 injectors, 024 delivery valves, and racked barrels...

I'm new to this Ppump stuff. So i'm guessing it depends on your train combo. I have a CCLB with 37's and 373's, so if I get 325hp to the wheels, i'll be lucky.

Rich dzl 06-08-2016 04:07 PM

Takes a more fuel than you think and a good turbo to make 400 rwhp .. On a 12v

Redrider2911 06-08-2016 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich dzl (Post 2559111)
Takes a more fuel than you think and a good turbo to make 400 rwhp .. On a 12v

That's what I thought. Why I was so surprised by khaoskustoms number... But I guess he does have a 215 pump and I'm running a 160.

khaoskustoms 06-08-2016 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redrider2911 (Post 2559104)
Clocked that on a Dyno? I was surprised to see that I am still under 400hp according to the Comp D 1/4 mile calculator. And I have a ground plate, 4k springs, Mac rack plug, 5x12 injectors, 024 delivery valves, and racked barrels...

Yes on my dyno.

jlbayes 06-09-2016 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redrider2911 (Post 2559104)
Clocked that on a Dyno? I was surprised to see that I am still under 400hp according to the Comp D 1/4 mile calculator. And I have a ground plate, 4k springs, Mac rack plug, 5x12 injectors, 024 delivery valves, and racked barrels...

You have other issues working against you. Like the 37s and 3.54s.....and only having 2wd at the moment.

Exodus 10-28-2016 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khaoskustoms (Post 2559071)
I just did my own grind on the plate, set of 4k gov springs, 5x12 injectors and It put down 475hp and 1050ft/lbs torque with my little Aurora 3000 turbo. 215 pump also.

What do you think the plate turned out to be? #10? #11?

Stox5225 12-02-2016 06:41 AM

So I have a 4k, 7mm DV's, 180 pump, 5x.012 and a super B with a 63mm inducer. I certainly need more air, but hey, turbo was cheap lol. It's a projected 550hp build, but until I get my fuel (more so lack of) issue fixed, I can't dyno it. drops to 0PIS at WOT.

I would think that 5x.012 injectors would be enough for 400 hp. Hell, if PDD sells 5x.012's in their 550hp fueling package and they test literally EVERYTHING, wouldn't that tell you something? 5x.014's would make you smoke more than you want and certainly haze quite a bit.

DDually 12-02-2016 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Stox5225 (Post 2588115)
So I have a 4k, 7mm DV's, 180 pump, 5x.012 and a super B with a 63mm inducer. I certainly need more air, but hey, turbo was cheap lol. It's a projected 550hp build, but until I get my fuel (more so lack of) issue fixed, I can't dyno it. drops to 0PIS at WOT.

I would think that 5x.012 injectors would be enough for 400 hp. Hell, if PDD sells 5x.012's in their 550hp fueling package and they test literally EVERYTHING, wouldn't that tell you something? 5x.014's would make you smoke more than you want and certainly haze quite a bit.

Good 5x.014s wont haze at idle.

jlbayes 12-02-2016 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DDually (Post 2588165)
Good 5x.014s wont haze at idle.

Depending on nozzle design, pop and cone angle. Sure lol


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