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wwm 05-09-2013 02:58 PM

97 12v valve build advice and opinions
 
97 12 valve eclb
190,000

building it for a best friend

it came with an ATS transmission (sorry) billet input and output
snow water/meth stage 2
ATS arc flow boost tube
4" SP exhaust
KDP fixed
boost gauge and egt gauge

okay so now what i plan to add

A1 H11 head studs
he351 over s475<(someone clarify what size i need)
CCP piping kit
CCP 5x16 or 7x14 (need input?)
mac plug
full cut DVs
no plate
cut afc foot
18* timing ? (need input)
columbus 5K springs
60 lb springs

will post a pic of the truck soon
for exterior mods and input

wwm 05-09-2013 03:41 PM

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repaint white maybe
tow mirrors painted white
black headlights
black grilll
paint white brake light bezels
remove the little pad on the tailgate(need some input on how to get the glue off)
roll pan (who do yall use or who do yall recomend)
lowering the back 1" (taking out the block)
black wheels of some kind or american force wheels

Smokem 05-09-2013 03:43 PM

Power goal?

DDually 05-09-2013 03:44 PM

What are his goals blah blah blah get all the bs questions answered first.

wwm 05-09-2013 03:52 PM

650-700?

Smokem 05-09-2013 04:05 PM

Lose the HE351, what kind of budget?

wwm 05-09-2013 04:15 PM

semi low what would you recomend?

Cross95 05-09-2013 11:27 PM

I would get Haisley 5k springs instead of Columbus, they are easier to set. But otherwise listen to Weston, he'll point you in the right direction.

YOUNG GUNS15 05-09-2013 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smokem (Post 2074491)
Lose the HE351, what kind of budget?

I'm surprised you didn't catch the full cuts first. Just send more business to the guy selling turbos. Lol

He351 and a ht4c have made 750hp, just lookup the junker drag truck thread. And on a budget I wouldn't hesitate to use the 351. 400 bucks vs 1400 bucks on a drop in s300.

AHall 05-09-2013 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOUNG GUNS15 (Post 2074846)
I'm surprised you didn't catch the full cuts first. Just send more business to the guy selling turbos. Lol

He351 and a ht4c have made 750hp, just lookup the junker drag truck thread. And on a budget I wouldn't hesitate to use the 351. 400 bucks vs 1400 bucks on a drop in s300.

You mean the 7/14s.

wwm 05-10-2013 02:41 AM

Yeah I can get a 351 for like 300 bucks on eBay and its already a gated turbo lol and I'm getting the s475 pretty cheap too

What about 7/14s?

Thanks cross ill do haisleys 5ks instead

Does everything else seem to be in pretty good order ?

wwm 05-10-2013 02:49 AM

Quick question what's the difference between haisleys 5ks and Columbus'?

YOUNG GUNS15 05-10-2013 09:41 AM

Don't cut the Afc foot, ditch the full cuts, stick with the 5x.016's. I've got some delivery valves I'll sell ya dirt cheap to help keep on your budget theme.

Smokem 05-10-2013 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOUNG GUNS15 (Post 2074846)
Just send more business to the guy selling turbos.

Ron Allen and I have discussed on several occasions how people using the HE351 try so hard to make good power, but often come up short. I guess some people will never realize that the HE351 is just a bottleneck in a system that desires flow. The "butt dyno" is an interesting thing, but the real world results are often quite the opposite.

Cross95 05-10-2013 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smokem (Post 2075134)
The "butt dyno" is an interesting thing, but the real world results are often quite the opposite.

I've heard Ryan say this exact thing a hundred times Weston lol

wwm 05-10-2013 11:45 AM

So y'all are saying with a different secondary you will get a more butt in seat feeling ?

What is usually the end result horsepower with the 351?

wwm 05-10-2013 02:59 PM

My buddy has a twin setup for his 24v it's a dtec 62 over s475 he has for sale what might I have to build/modify for them to work

wwm 05-10-2013 09:15 PM

come on guys throw on some BS opinnions lol

SHughes 05-10-2013 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smokem (Post 2075134)
Ron Allen and I have discussed on several occasions how people using the HE351 try so hard to make good power, but often come up short. I guess some people will never realize that the HE351 is just a bottleneck in a system that desires flow. The "butt dyno" is an interesting thing, but the real world results are often quite the opposite.







Quote:

Originally Posted by wwm (Post 2075597)
come on guys throw on some BS opinnions lol

I like bottle necks...preferably at the top of a beer, but a soda works too at times, but not as good as a good scotch.

AHall 05-10-2013 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwm (Post 2075192)
So y'all are saying with a different secondary you will get a more butt in seat feeling ?

What is usually the end result horsepower with the 351?

Don't run a dtec. Lower your power goal if you want a tiny secondary.

End result hp of 351 is pretty broad question.


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