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bradley59dzl 03-30-2017 12:19 PM

Shop air line
 
What is everyone running for shop air lines? I bought 3/4 steel but decided against it. Im leaning towards RapidAir 1" alum. pipe but not sure I like the compression fitting idea. Any input?

Signature600 03-30-2017 12:26 PM

I've done rapid air in our little farm shop, but my big shop (aka, our business) is all 1" and 3/4" Copper...a little overkill for most...

Chris

06 DIESEL 03-30-2017 01:03 PM

There are tons of people saying to do many different things over on Garage Journal. Black or galvanized steel is the most recommended, then copper, then rapid air, but never PVC.

I have enough 3/4" steel to do my entire garage, but have not had time to put it up. A friends dad has rapid air in his shop going on three years now and no issues and he always leaves it charged.

bradley59dzl 03-30-2017 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Signature600 (Post 2609632)
I've done rapid air in our little farm shop, but my big shop (aka, our business) is all 1" and 3/4" Copper...a little overkill for most...

Chris

Hmm, Dont think I know of anyone running copper.

bradley59dzl 03-30-2017 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 06 DIESEL (Post 2609644)
There are tons of people saying to do many different things over on Garage Journal. Black or galvanized steel is the most recommended, then copper, then rapid air, but never PVC.

I have enough 3/4" steel to do my entire garage, but have not had time to put it up. A friends dad has rapid air in his shop going on three years now and no issues and he always leaves it charged.

Pvc... My uncle has had cpvc in his garage at home for 20+ yrs no issue. A buddy that owns a local well drilling company built a brand new shop 5ish yrs ago and they ran 1" shc 80 also no issues. Im kinda scared to do it though.

Exodus 03-30-2017 01:23 PM

Black iron pipe is what used most over at garage journal. Next in line is PEX AL. It's very easy to work with. Buy a set of PEX crimpers and some fittings, and you're off.

Signature600 03-30-2017 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bradley59dzl (Post 2609647)
Hmm, Dont think I know of anyone running copper.

Copper is expensive, and labor intensive...but I haven't had to mess with any of my shop air line for 16 years now.

Chris

bradley59dzl 03-30-2017 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LORDDiESEL (Post 2609650)
Black iron pipe is what used most over at garage journal. Next in line is PEX AL. It's very easy to work with. Buy a set of PEX crimpers and some fittings, and you're off.

I have experience in Pex and have the tools but the specs are worrisome.
PexAl
200 psi @73°F
160 psi @140°F
125 psi @ 180°F
Regular Pex ratings are lower yet. Also dealing with coiled pex is a pain and hard to make look nice and neat. IMO.

YoungDiesel27 03-30-2017 01:28 PM

We have PVC in both garages and have never had any issues

bradley59dzl 03-30-2017 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Signature600 (Post 2609651)
Copper is expensive, and labor intensive...but I haven't had to mess with any of my shop air line for 16 years now.

Chris

Good to know. This will be in my list of options for sure. After doing all the copper plumbing for boiler system running air should be a breeze!

chevota84 03-30-2017 01:48 PM

We put the rapidair up in my buddies shop, it took us about 3 hours to do a 36x48 and it's had zero issues. I really like the billet drops

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06 DIESEL 03-30-2017 02:07 PM

The problem with PVC is that it is not rated for air pressure, it is rated for fluid pressure. If PVC is under pressure and breaks or something falls on it the results can be bad.

BRE 03-30-2017 02:18 PM

Not saying it's right but I've worked out of several shops plumbed with pvc and never had an issue.

IdahoRob 03-30-2017 02:31 PM

Rapid air here for years, fully pressurized at all times. Zero issues.

Exodus 03-30-2017 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradley59dzl (Post 2609652)
I have experience in Pex and have the tools but the specs are worrisome.
PexAl
200 psi @73°F
160 psi @140°F
125 psi @ 180°F
Regular Pex ratings are lower yet. Also dealing with coiled pex is a pain and hard to make look nice and neat. IMO.

I'm doing my shop with just regular pex. 1 inch with 3/4 drops. And yes, the sticks are much easier to work wwith. Also, what PSI is your compressor. Most 2 stage are only 175PSI.

bradley59dzl 03-31-2017 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LORDDiESEL (Post 2609693)
I'm doing my shop with just regular pex. 1 inch with 3/4 drops. And yes, the sticks are much easier to work wwith. Also, what PSI is your compressor. Most 2 stage are only 175PSI.

Correct 175psi but I will be running it through the attic and I imagine temps will be well over 100 in the summer months. Seems like you would be running on the edge of their safe zones. Id rather do it once and not have to worry.

zstroken 03-31-2017 08:28 AM

What about CPVC?

bigstacks95 03-31-2017 11:00 AM

Our main shop (built 1945) is all steel air lines. Our new shop (built 2009) is done with rapid air and took me, my dad, and one of our guys about 3 hours to do the whole 60x30 building, including installing four reels, and about 10 drops. Pretty nice setup, I would highly recommend it. The PVC scares me. I would never do that.

dixon700 03-31-2017 11:14 AM

My neighbors 60'x40' shop built in '03 was done with all 3/4" pvc and the only issue was once or twice a glued joint failed going across the ceiling.

zfaylor 03-31-2017 11:50 AM

My insurance company wouldn't allow pvc. Working with black pipe is a complete pita. We used something similar to rapid air. If you've ever used anything else to run air you won't go back. Crazy how much quicker you can plumb. Getting the lines to look halfway straight is a bit more difficult than the other ways though. The line wanted to coil on me everywhere.


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