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SPEEDSHIFT 10-03-2018 02:06 PM

Are big singles the future?
 
Just looking around at the big dogs new setups for drag racing I am noticing a lot of crews going from compounds and triples to large singles with nitrous. I get the appeal of a big single as I am moving in that direction as well, less weight, less chance for failures.

My question is, what kind of nitrous setups and cam profile are they using to make it all go. I am looking at camshafts today to help keep my single S485 lit, and I figured I would ask to see what the fast guys are doing.

Hurley 10-03-2018 03:59 PM

engine management is #1 IMO (dare I post without a rig)

Red Sleeper 10-03-2018 04:23 PM

I tend to agree. Most of the big names in this game are running large singles, more displacement, and electronically controlling fuel. (Common rail)
Sure makes swapping a turbo easier. (No race rig here either, just a spectator.)

JQmile 10-04-2018 03:00 AM

Transbrakes, bump boxes, dump valves and nitrous are a big reason why Big singles are working....try a 102mm on a normal truck and it’s probably not going to work.

SPEEDSHIFT 10-04-2018 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JQmile (Post 2682199)
Transbrakes, bump boxes, dump valves and nitrous are a big reason why Big singles are working....try a 102mm on a normal truck and it’s probably not going to work.

Yeah, I saw Lavon mention some things about the Rossler TH400 they use in their new truck, but even across the board from 11.90, 10.90, Super Street, 5.90, etc. Everyone seems to be using singles.

Its just interesting how things are changing.

khaoskustoms 10-04-2018 09:02 AM

I think that with the advancement in cylinder head designs along with better camshafts guys are seeing that they don't need huge boost pressures to make big power. Single turbos coupled with a big wastegate and some nitrous can accomplish the same things that twins and triples were doing. We've gone 10.00's in a 7000lb truck with a box 72sxe and some nitrous. Pretty hard to argue against single turbos when guys are doing amazing things with them.

Redrider2911 10-04-2018 12:04 PM

Is any part of this that more and more guys are building dedicated race trucks vs a weekend race truck that is still decently streetable? I don't know, just speculating.

allan5oh 10-04-2018 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JQmile (Post 2682199)
Transbrakes, bump boxes, dump valves and nitrous are a big reason why Big singles are working....try a 102mm on a normal truck and it’s probably not going to work.

A good torque convertor makes a dump valve redundant. Yes programming is important, probably moreso on the gas side of things.

https://scontent.fyyc2-1.fna.fbcdn.n...0b&oe=5C4AB3CD

Here's a little SBF with a 91mm turbo and a TIGHT non-optimal convertor. Maxes out a 3 bar map in 4 seconds from idle. No nitrous.

Most he could make on the brake before I tinkered was about 6 psi.

Highwayman 10-04-2018 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurley (Post 2682163)
engine management is #1 IMO (dare I post without a rig)

as in these super secret standalone ECU's? or....

Hurley 10-04-2018 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Highwayman (Post 2682236)
as in these super secret standalone ECU's? or....

No, as in the tuner's ability to make the power train work in concert with all associated variables.

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f6jbob 10-04-2018 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmega3500 (Post 2682208)
Actually if you think about it, big singles go back to Bradenton in 2010 iirc where I think it was a mid 10 run by Aron Nick using a 478. Everyone else used compounds, and thats when the big single explosion took off. Then the whole 5.9 vs 6.7 can spool XYZ better debate started. Thank God Australians solved that issue.

Not to start a pissing match but I was entered in that race and all entries had to run a single turbo only.

f6jbob 10-04-2018 03:27 PM

Aron, Bruce, and myself were sponsored with turbos from Bullseye. It was a fun event. Especially for us northern boys at that time of the year.:Cheer:

jasonc 10-04-2018 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmega3500 (Post 2682249)
Thanks for clarification! I think you understood my point.

I just remember mainly the 10 he ran not only blew people's minds, but put bullseye and b&b tooling on the diesel radar.

It was also 66mm inducer, 2.6 sled pull type rules. I ran that race also, was a fun time and wish the class would have took off.

RacinDuallie 10-04-2018 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonc (Post 2682254)
It was also 66mm inducer, 2.6 sled pull type rules. I ran that race also, was a fun time and wish the class would have took off.

Didn't you buy a turbo off ol' blackmega3500pingasucker and almost miss the race cause he was a dewshy seller?


See that is how it usually goes, once a dewshbag, always a dewshbag........ :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

RacinDuallie 10-04-2018 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmega3500 (Post 2682251)
Is it safe to say that's when diesel racing was "affordable"?


Long before that, think late '96/'97 was when it was affordable. If you been around that long anyhow. :hehe:


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