New Airdog, Plastic brakets???

I dont like the Idea of plastic brackets either. Whether or not there's been any failures its still not as good as the steel brackets. As for the quick connect fittings, I've installed 3 airdog with them and 2 of trucks had leaks. They weren't huge leaks but leaks none the less. Both on the suction connection. In an ideal situation there would be an option for push lock connections. In my opinion Airdog is marketing to the average Joe with a tuner and limited mechanical knowledge but you can't blame them cause that's probably 95% of the diesel market.
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I know eveyone keeps asking about the bouncing and all but what about ice build up for those of us up north? Mud and rocks boucing off them for the off roaders? I know the ice build up can add quite a few pounds to some areas.
 
I was wondering if the new mount is made f the same type of poly material they make snow plow blades and salt hoppers out of? If so i dont ever see it being a problem.
 
Like antknee said, it's not cheap plastic. I'm pretty sure they tested it for all the stuff y'all are talking about.
 
So after reading through the first 6 pages of bull crap about facebook, wives, pumps other than AD's, and misc videos just to make sure I didn't ask the same question as someone else...screw, it. I don't care.

Anthony, do you find that the plastic brackets quiet down the pumps? It seems to me that they should help isolate the pump noise and help buffer some of it from the frame. I don't see a problem with a plastic bracket...as long as when they break, they are replaced free of charge. You could also press in some shouldered washers into the mounting holes. That would keep people from overtightening them. That way it would get tight and give them a warm fuzzy so they don't smash the crap out of it and disfigure it. $.02
 
SINNER said:
I do not give a phuck what anyone says, there is no way I would even hang a pump alone on plastic. I bet that will work out well in an accident when that pump flies off the truck. And using loctite even close to plastic is a big mistake. It says so right on the bottle and I learned the hard way on some motorcycle plastics. It will soften that plastic even if it is not directly applied. Just search online about loctite and plastics.
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Short and sweet. Get real dude.... As stated this isn't some acme action figure plastic. Is fiberglass, plastic etc etc.
LReiff said:
The quick connect fittings leak air on the suction side and create pump cavitation issues that burn up motors. Oh well the motors are warrantied so well just leave Airdog replace motors. Not my problem and I'm sure hell not sure why I'm telling you how to lower and/or eliminate warranty claims!


Thanks!
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Obviously you aren't aware of how the pumps work. Cavitation has absolutely no effect on burning a motor up. As a matter of fact. It would create LESS drag on the electric motor and let it run at lower amps and live longer.
Yes IF IF IF IF IF it leaks. It will cause cavitation. Just like your factory lines would. Just like ANY line that doesn't have a good connection or is loose on the vacuum side of anything. So what's your point?
4x4dually said:
So after reading through the first 6 pages of bull crap about facebook, wives, pumps other than AD's, and misc videos just to make sure I didn't ask the same question as someone else...screw, it. I don't care.

Anthony, do you find that the plastic brackets quiet down the pumps? It seems to me that they should help isolate the pump noise and help buffer some of it from the frame. I don't see a problem with a plastic bracket...as long as when they break, they are replaced free of charge. You could also press in some shouldered washers into the mounting holes. That would keep people from overtightening them. That way it would get tight and give them a warm fuzzy so they don't smash the crap out of it and disfigure it. $.02
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Glad you mentioned that because yes it does help take the "buzz" of our things. Which could sometimes head on down the frame and let you hear it in the cab. We are looking at some sleeves of some sort to put the bolt through to keep people from overtightening.
Fact is people complain before they ever have an issue. I even had a guy last year on the Premier cruise, during training in front of many dealers. Tell me he does not use our products because the brackets bend when putting them on the frame. THAT WAS WITH THE THICK METAL BRACKETS. Can't ever please. It was good to know he must use a cheater pipe on simple bolts. Cause I know now never to let him touch my trucks.
 
SCHOOL BUS said:
Like antknee said, it's not cheap plastic. I'm pretty sure they tested it for all the stuff y'all are talking about.
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Correct, we FROZE them, bolted them up like they would be on a truck. Beat the chit out of them with hammers. Did nothing but put a couple dings in it here and there. We did it flat against the frame and with a big bow in it. Both scenarios the brackets were frozen and beat with a hammer. The were tested very well last winter.

No SINNER we didn't pour fuel on it and set it on fire to see if it held up to that. Nor did we take it to a crash test facility and bolt it up to the crash dummies. We kept it realistic.
 
I would assume the brackets are a type of SMC composite or some other fiberglass derivative?

If so, everyone hear better get the hell away from a Corvette while drive. After all, those are 90% plastic.
 
2Tone12V said:
Glad you mentioned that because yes it does help take the "buzz" of our things. Which could sometimes head on down the frame and let you hear it in the cab. We are looking at some sleeves of some sort to put the bolt through to keep people from overtightening.
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The "isolation" of sound was just the first "selling point" that came to mind. ;)

We use a stainless shoulder washer in our Naval racks from Accurate Screw Machine. Personally I like Globe Electronic Hardware, Inc. | Globe Electronic Hardware | Globe Hardware better. Pretty much anything Accurate sells, Globe can make and their lead times and prices are typically better. We've had some quality issues with Accurate stuff a few years ago as well as crappy stainless materials coming in tarnished.

You can get standard stainless shoulder washers or have them made to what ever sizes you need from either company. I will encourage you to quote large quantities though....single and low quantities will scare the crap our of ya.

Hope that helps.
 
4x4dually said:
I'll bite. What is a "bed position mount?" :bang
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Haha, made me crack up when I read your response. It's the original mount for AirDog's from way back in the day. Mounts inside the wheel well and attaches to the bed rib. Drill 2 holes, screw in 2 bolts and your done.
 
2Tone12V said:
Haha, made me crack up when I read your response. It's the original mount for AirDog's from way back in the day. Mounts inside the wheel well and attaches to the bed rib. Drill 2 holes, screw in 2 bolts and your done.
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I see. I figured it was a dumb question but thanks for the answer. :D
 
2Tone12V said:
Haha, made me crack up when I read your response. It's the original mount for AirDog's from way back in the day. Mounts inside the wheel well and attaches to the bed rib. Drill 2 holes, screw in 2 bolts and your done.
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I want those mounts. All my customers keep asking why AD has to be so close to the ground. How will these mounts work with the new Pre cut lines?
 
Gibson said:
I want those mounts. All my customers keep asking why AD has to be so close to the ground. How will these mounts work with the new Pre cut lines?
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I made my own mount that goes under the bed, but it mounts to the frame and not the bed. I'll get a picture of it if you'd like. I actually have a CAD drawing of it aswell. It's a prototype and needs to be tweeked, but it works for me right now. Too much other stuff goin on to be able to have another made.
 
The glass reinforced Nylon is very, very tough and highly resistant to anything that will not eat the frame itself and most stuff that will eat the frame. I would have no problem running the plastic bracket.
 
Thanks for the support guys. Most just look and see "plastic" and assume its crap. They don't realize that lots of research and testing is done to decide whether it will work or not. Wish I could get that word out to the whole nation but I can't. Many won't believe me when I tell them. They expect me to say it's fine cause I work here.
 
2Tone12V said:
Thanks for the support guys. Most just look and see "plastic" and assume its crap. They don't realize that lots of research and testing is done to decide whether it will work or not. Wish I could get that word out to the whole nation but I can't. Many won't believe me when I tell them. They expect me to say it's fine cause I work here.
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It seems then if this move may hurt sales until it's understood that this bracket can handle the abuse.

Is there that much of a cost savings from going from the metal over to the "plastic". I guess I really dont expect an answer about costs.

I've had my AirDog since 2008 and I had a few problems with my first one, but my second one has been running fairly well since 5/20/08.
 
SuperDave4x4 said:
Is there that much of a cost savings from going from the metal over to the "plastic"?
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If they are injection molded, I'm sure there is. Once you pay off the NRE (dies), they should be able to run a batch of several hundred faster and cheaper than shearing, breaking, and drilling metal. Just my $.02
 
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