Rule Changes???

prostockpuller said:
Per PPL's Sight, this is the latest change in writing and it is a little vague.
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http://propulling.com/images/pdf/2018/2018-Rule-Changes.pdf
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Which part are you referring to being vague?

Looks to me like they basically just took out the wording that required a bed floor, but didn't specifically spell out that they could be cut out. The only thing I don't necessarily like the bed cover wording. I think it should say that it has to be covered if the bed floor is removed. I am sure there will be some questions about that for guys who are unfamiliar with the previous way it was written.
 
How do you gut the bed when the rule says it must retain full sheet metal? If that doesn't include gutting the bed, then what is the intent of the rule - no fiberglass/CF body parts?
 
97crewcab said:
Which part are you referring to being vague?

Looks to me like they basically just took out the wording that required a bed floor, but didn't specifically spell out that they could be cut out. The only thing I don't necessarily like the bed cover wording. I think it should say that it has to be covered if the bed floor is removed. I am sure there will be some questions about that for guys who are unfamiliar with the previous way it was written.
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The bed Floor part of it is left out.
 
97crewcab said:
It really isn't a surprise with PPL like jones95runer said. Seems like every year we have this same discussion.
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What's funny is they said the reason was to let some of the 3.6 trucks bump back down. But most of the 3.6 trucks had already had the cabs gutted..... the reason they allowed bed floors to be cut out in 3.0 years ago was so some trucks could run ss that was having a tough time making weight.


What should have been done this time was the same as they did then, if bed floor is cut out you must add 200# behind the rear axle, at that time it realy wasn't a advantage. Now they are going to basically make everyone cut the bed floors out this year since that will be a pretty big weight bias difference.
 
And if you actually have a question on a rule or don’t understand a rule, a simple email to John usually helps.
 
jones95runner said:
Everyone already knew that..... what we were getting at is ppl always writes rules to be shady. It's not that hard to write clean rules. If you want to see a good rule wording check out NTPA's
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Idk, there’s room for improvement on both sides. Ntpa is by no means perfect as an example:” the complete OEM floor pan is manditory in cab not bed” so that means we don’t need oem firewall.
Just trying to be helpful, not getting into a piss’n match
 
lawnboy01 said:
Idk, there’s room for improvement on both sides. Ntpa is by no means perfect as an example:” the complete OEM floor pan is manditory in cab not bed” so that means we don’t need oem firewall.
Just trying to be helpful, not getting into a piss’n match
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It's not worth getting worked up.over. But I don't like the complete oem firewall wording. My oem firewall has several large holes from the factory, would have been much nicer if they wrote the 3.0 smooth rule same as 3.6.

If they plan on inforcing the oem firewall rule that will kick out most every 3.6 truck that wanted to bump down.
 
jones95runner said:
If they plan on inforcing the oem firewall rule that will kick out most every 3.6 truck that wanted to bump down.
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Is it’s fine if the rule is enforced. IMO, there shouldn’t be a rule to work around another class. If someone wants to “bump down a class” then they should make their truck fit the class. Not change a class to fit some trucks. IMO the 3.6 class is failing, the 3.0 Class is growing. So to me it isn’t bumping down it’s getting into a class that is thriving and nationally reconized with pretty much a universal set of rules.
 
I didn't mean to start a pissing match by any means. All the time and money spent on these trucks, I don't see it as a big deal to "cut" away a bed floor or bring back an OEM firewall to stock to compete in this class. As Mike said....the class is gaining strength in the country both in trucks and overall popularity. Lets all just "go with it" and be thankful that NTPA and PPL both are having this class. I count almost 40 sanctioned hooks scheduled for 2018 in NTPA region 2 and PPL OSTPA.

RK
 
I agree with both of you guys. I'm not trying to start a pissing match either. It is nice 3.0 smooth is catching on. But damn leave the rules alone for just one year come on. We have basically came back to 3.0 mwe of 2011-12.


We personally have 2 trucks and I help on 4-5 others we went away from ppl rules 4 or so years ago because people were tired of basically building a new truck every year. We now have the biggest local class we have ever had and more being built.....


not saying people go away from ppl but if they would have stopped changing rules every year 7-8 years ago imagine where we would be today. There used to be 40+ 3.0mwe trucks show up at schieds. Last year there wasn't any more 3.0 smooth trucks than that. People get tired of redoing a truck every year even if it is so simple as gutting a bed...

But guess what...... if they quit changing rules..... the sponsors aren't making any money......
 
jones95runner said:
But guess what...... if they quit changing rules..... the sponsors aren't making any money......
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I find that excuse extremely hard to believe.

Why would a sponsor stop making money? The big guys buy new turbos and injectors and pumps and blah blah blah every year anyways, if they can squeeze out 15 more hp than the year before than they are going to do it. Not to mention the new guys joining in, if the rules don't change, it makes it easier for joe blow on a budget to put a truck together over the course of a year or two without having to change the chassis 37 times in that period. Everyone's still going to be buying turbos, injectors, pumps, Haisley this, Scheid that, etc, etc, they may just wait until the end of their build to buy it, or, they might just sell more of it because more people are interested!

Not blasting you Jones95runner, just stating an opinion. Guys have used that excuse for years, and I think its a bogus excuse. I think the reason the rules keep changing is all the guys lobbying to change them. "oh just let us do this, let us gut beds, let us run ODL, let us run deckplates" I don't get why guys don't just jump up. You wanna run a deckplate? Jump to the next class, don't lobby to change all the rules. Makes no sense to me. You don't see NHRA pro stock cars lobbying to run blowers and nitro, if they want to do that, they build a funny car.

If I pulled with PPL maybe things would be different but I don't, so this is my outsider's point of view. I don't think they realize how much their rule changes effect pulling across the entire country, and it seems to me like they don't care that maybe some of us guys from other organizations across the country want to come put money in their pockets too and pull in the big leagues some day

OK I'm done ranting. :soap:
 
bigstacks95 said:
I find that excuse extremely hard to believe.

Why would a sponsor stop making money? The big guys buy new turbos and injectors and pumps and blah blah blah every year anyways, if they can squeeze out 15 more hp than the year before than they are going to do it. Not to mention the new guys joining in, if the rules don't change, it makes it easier for joe blow on a budget to put a truck together over the course of a year or two without having to change the chassis 37 times in that period. Everyone's still going to be buying turbos, injectors, pumps, Haisley this, Scheid that, etc, etc, they may just wait until the end of their build to buy it, or, they might just sell more of it because more people are interested!

Not blasting you Jones95runner, just stating an opinion. Guys have used that excuse for years, and I think its a bogus excuse. I think the reason the rules keep changing is all the guys lobbying to change them. "oh just let us do this, let us gut beds, let us run ODL, let us run deckplates" I don't get why guys don't just jump up. You wanna run a deckplate? Jump to the next class, don't lobby to change all the rules. Makes no sense to me. You don't see NHRA pro stock cars lobbying to run blowers and nitro, if they want to do that, they build a funny car.

If I pulled with PPL maybe things would be different but I don't, so this is my outsider's point of view. I don't think they realize how much their rule changes effect pulling across the entire country, and it seems to me like they don't care that maybe some of us guys from other organizations across the country want to come put money in their pockets too and pull in the big leagues some day

OK I'm done ranting. :soap:
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Lol.blast away I can take it.... I agree some guys will upgrade every year just because. But mark my word...... 3.0 smooth will be across the country big time next year, then the new turbo rule will come out. They have already been discussing and dynoing it. The big time 3.0 smooth guys are bored with the power now since they have ODL.

Make it one of the biggest classes in the country then change turbo rule..... CHA CHING there goes tons of money back to the sponsors for turbos and dyno time.


Kinda like super farm going to MWE covers.
 
jones95runner said:
Kinda like super farm going to MWE covers.
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This made me laugh after some of their chargers Ive seen already, had to measure the harts at their gordyville booth to make sure it wasn't my old COTPC 2.5 turbo, couldve fooled me! And now the poor bastards have a new cover out every two weeks that adds 25 horse. For years the tractor guys laughed at slotted truck classes..... LOL :nail:
 
jones95runner said:
We personally have 2 trucks and I help on 4-5 others we went away from ppl rules 4 or so years ago because people were tired of basically building a new truck every year. We now have the biggest local class we have ever had and more being built....
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What are your rules?
 
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