Why would you "delete it immediately "
Going purely off of what I've seen and heard with regard to the emissions trucks, these are the reasons I've heard the most. Not saying I agree, I'm just trying to sort out fact from BS.
Economy?: On my last trip with the 12V towing the 24' box, it pulled down 15.7mpg but I've heard more than a few 07+ owners complaining of 10-11mpg towing. If a new truck won't attain the same mileage or better off the lot, but will deleted, it may be worth it long term in the cost of fuel alone. Because new trucks don't get a mileage rating, I have to baseline off of what others are seeing from their trucks.
Reliability?: This one is a bit of a double edged sword. Most of the failures I've heard about on the new trucks have been related to the emissions equipment. So, in theory, a delete would eliminate some source of failures but the warranty on the rest of the truck would be lost. I worked for a large construction equipment manufacturer during the emissions regulations implementation and saw the issues with the DPF and DEF systems firsthand. The automakers may have figured it out by now, and if they did, so be it, I'd just drive the truck.
Performance?: I've heard several members here make comments about the 13+ trucks (manual transmission specifically due to the derate) to the effect of "it's the slowest 350hp I've ever driven" or "if I hadn't been able to tune it, I would have sold it."
All of the things that I've seen and heard may very well just be benchracing or complaining because of buyer's remorse but its hard to figure that out without at least asking the question.
Sounds like your mind is made up, what was the point of this thread?
Anyone who deletes a brand new truck just because they feel they have to stick it to the government, or whatever other made up problem they have, is dense. Deletes have a purpose, and a reason...
Mind is definitely not made up. I could easily keep the 12V and repair it, but that's a bit of a "nothing ventured, nothing gained" situation. The truck might be a more reliable but still won't fit the family. I could pick up a 3rd gen or early 4th gen but finding one that hasn't been beaten to death or is priced anywhere close to reasonable is frustrating at best. Or I can buy brand new off the lot but I'd like to get some data and actual input from those who own or have owned the 13+ trucks. I'm just trying to figure out what makes the most sense.
Just for my edification, what would you say is the purpose and reason for a delete, if not for one or all of the above reasons?
Yeah, that's not too much for a gas truck, but you can't get a manual transmission in one. If/when I get to the point of a new truck, I just don't think I can stomach the diesel being an ~8k option. I've driven a few 6.4 hemi rams, I really liked them, fuel millage appeared to be on par with my current truck, and definitely didn't lack power. I'd consider a half ton, but a 32' dual tandem rated at 25k is just too much for them I feel. Probably a bit much for my current truck as well, but it's been payed for for a while.
I've towed an 18' 5K trailer with my father-in-law's 2012 CCSB 5.7L 1500 and there have been several times that I felt like it couldn't figure out what gear to be in or didn't have enough power and that was AFTER he had to have the transmission rebuilt. That said, it works for his situation, the truck is his daily driver and he only needs to tow the trailer about 4 times a year but when he does its single digit MPG. The other plus to a manual is that I can rebuild one in my sleep if and when that time ever comes. Automatics are witchcraft.
The only negatives to a new truck is unknown reliability and longevity. So you want to delete it right away and remove all warranties?
x2 on this thread not being needed. You won't update an old truck, have to have a diesel, has to be manual. That leaves what one truck in the nation? LOL
If I get a new truck I don't
want to do anything more than put air in the tires and change the oil until its paid off. What I'm asking is whether people have had so many problems with the emissions systems and/or legitimate lack of power that they felt it necessary to delete or whether guys are just doing it because they're compensating or they wanna oral the coal.
Also, never said I wouldn't repair the existing truck, I love this thing, always have. It's just gotten to the point that the annual cost of repairs plus my time is getting very near the cost of a truck payment. If there are major issues with the emissions trucks, I'll either keep the 12V or get a <2007 crew cab truck and handle repairs as needed.
Just get the 4th gen crew or mega if you plan on hauling the fam around between races, You will not regret it. Delete it whenever you have the cash, you will love it!
Also, lets face it, nothing beats a 12v for simplicity and reliability. You can already forget comparing anything to that because you will be disappointed. The days of <$100 fixes for stupid problems are unfortunately gone.
The family haulers are the wife's nice cushy Acura and my beater Subaru wagon so between events isn't a problem. But if I want to take the wife and kids with me to an event or we need to bring back a bedroom set from my in-laws' at Thanksgiving (most recent example), we're automatically taking two vehicles. A 4 door truck would knock it down to one.
While I agree that the 12V is very literally the most reliable engine I've personally ever owned, I haven't fixed anything on this truck for <$100 in years. The engine just keeps on going but I'm just waiting for the day it leaves the rest of the truck behind.
