Which Converter ??? - Competition Diesel.Com

angelic0- · 10-20-2013, 10:00 PM

I am in a pickle trying to pick out a converter...

Truck is a daily driver, with 916hp at crank measured on a water brake dyno-MITE "land and sea" dynamometer...

never drove the new truck with this motor, as i'm currently building a RH47 for it...

Just looking for the right converter...

Truck is as said before, daily driven, tows a #10000 on occasion and does see the strip every now and then, but is thought of as a more of a weekend warrior...

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated !

country_hick · 10-20-2013, 10:33 PM

You are past the sane levels of power. You are far beyond what a triple billet tc would handle. You want something big, bad, and very expensive, I think this is just what you need. Sun Coast Diesel TransmissionsDodge "Omega" Billet Shaft - Kit | Catalog Products | Sun Coast Diesel Transmissions Call them to make sure you get the correct stall speed for your needs.

Read this also for more information.
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/d...t/viewall.html

angelic0- · 10-20-2013, 10:38 PM

Yeah, i've been looking at these shafts, but i don't think the truck will be producing much more than 650whp in the truck... these water brake dynos load more than the truck will ever experience driving i think...

will upgrade to billet shafts later, but currently just looking at torque converters...

maybe also a upgrade in planetary gears, and where to shop them, hard to find it all over the internet as i'm overseas...

i've built my transmission with the following:
RED Alto HD Master kit including all clutches and gaskets and such,
Transgo SK-TFOD shift kit
Sonnax Billet Accumulator and Servo Kit
both the Wedge and Strut out of billet
and a deep sump TCI trans pan

NELSON359 · 10-20-2013, 11:04 PM

Dpc quad disc

angelic0- · 10-20-2013, 11:09 PM

Guess going all billet on this is inevitable

angelic0- · 10-20-2013, 11:15 PM

Hope i won't have a incident like Big Swole:

Swoled Interceptor Tear Down 092111 - YouTube

12vriviera · 10-20-2013, 11:26 PM

You aren't far and above all feasible power, a dpc triple disc, with around stock stall or a little less, and a well built transmission with plenty of pressure for lockup and clutch packs, and as long as valving and shift points are correct any 300m input should handle it just fine.

angelic0- · 10-20-2013, 11:57 PM

TCS 300M input shaft will do the trick ??

displacedtexan · 10-21-2013, 12:20 AM

Yeah, you're not near the "excessive" power level...

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madmikeismad · 10-21-2013, 02:16 AM

I don't know if i should laugh or not.

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12vriviera · 10-21-2013, 09:53 AM

tcs 300m shaft is a great piece.. and you arent making near the power swole was when his imploded.. A decent trans build should do just fine.

displacedtexan · 10-21-2013, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by madmikeismad

I don't know if i should laugh or not.

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If in doubt, always laugh is my policy...

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BigJoeDiesel74 · 10-21-2013, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by country_hick

You are past the sane levels of power. You are far beyond what a triple billet tc would handle. You want something big, bad, and very expensive, I think this is just what you need.

angelic0- · 10-21-2013, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmikeismad

I don't know if i should laugh or not.

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???

country_hick · 10-21-2013, 09:14 PM

A tripled billet tc is rated for 1,500 foot pounds of torque. That is normally around 700-750HP according to revmax.

916 hp as the OP says he is seems to be above that level. Even if we figure a 20% driveline loss that would be about 732hp. That could be above the power limit. Besides, it would appear that the torque limit is at the front (input) of the torque converter not at the rear axle.

You can read the limits for yourself here.
47RE Stage 4 Torque Converter (1996-1998)

You can look at several other tc makers and they all have the same 1,500 ft. lb. rating. That is probably because not many makers of that triple billet kit exist.

Explain again how I was off so far in my assessment of 916 HP being above the acceptable power limit of a triple tc? I do not see it.

displacedtexan · 10-21-2013, 09:40 PM

Because his dyno was at the crank, with far more load than the truck will be able to put on the engine.

A triple will be just fine for him.

displacedtexan · 10-21-2013, 09:42 PM

Also, the ratings from Revmax (which apply to that convertor, not all triple discs) are rear wheel numbers, as that the numbers people go by, because that how we typically measure power.

12vriviera · 10-21-2013, 09:46 PM

And, people here actually have experience with more power than he is making, not posting links for random, though informative material.

A triple will be fine.

You have been messing this poor guy up on both his Trans threads, mr hick. He will be fine, and we have vendors that we like here more than revmax.

displacedtexan · 10-21-2013, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 24vriviera

And, people here actually have experience with more power than he is making, not posting links for random, though informative material.

A triple will be fine.

You have been messing this poor guy up on both his Trans threads, mr hick. He will be fine, and we have vendors that we like here more than revmax.

Well said Brandon!

dieselracer07 · 10-21-2013, 11:01 PM

There are DPC triple disc converters all over the country holding that much power or more on a daily basis....

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10-20-2013, 10:33 PM	#2
country_hick Name: country_hick Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2012 Member`s Gallery Posts: 42	You are past the sane levels of power. You are far beyond what a triple billet tc would handle. You want something big, bad, and very expensive, I think this is just what you need. Sun Coast Diesel TransmissionsDodge "Omega" Billet Shaft - Kit \| Catalog Products \| Sun Coast Diesel Transmissions Call them to make sure you get the correct stall speed for your needs. Read this also for more information. http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/d...t/viewall.html Last edited by country_hick; 10-20-2013 at 10:36 PM.

10-20-2013, 10:38 PM	#3
angelic0- Name: angelic0- Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2009 Member`s Gallery Posts: 252	Yeah, i've been looking at these shafts, but i don't think the truck will be producing much more than 650whp in the truck... these water brake dynos load more than the truck will ever experience driving i think... will upgrade to billet shafts later, but currently just looking at torque converters... maybe also a upgrade in planetary gears, and where to shop them, hard to find it all over the internet as i'm overseas... i've built my transmission with the following: RED Alto HD Master kit including all clutches and gaskets and such, Transgo SK-TFOD shift kit Sonnax Billet Accumulator and Servo Kit both the Wedge and Strut out of billet and a deep sump TCI trans pan __________________ 2001 Dodge RAM 3500 DRW: [BBD 60# Valvesprings, 4k GSK, Raptor 150GPH LP, DDP Stage IV 140hp injectors, Marine HG, Maxed Out P-Pump w/13mm Barrels, No Plate, Tuned AFC, 20° Timing, Holset HX40 & HX60 Compounds] [Custom 4,5" Downpipe, 5" Pipe & Dual 6" Stacks]

10-20-2013, 11:04 PM	#4
NELSON359 Name: NELSON359 Title: trying to keep up Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: maryland Member`s Gallery Posts: 803	Dpc quad disc __________________ 95 rclb 11.41 @120mph SOLD

10-20-2013, 11:09 PM	#5
angelic0- Name: angelic0- Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2009 Member`s Gallery Posts: 252	Guess going all billet on this is inevitable __________________ 2001 Dodge RAM 3500 DRW: [BBD 60# Valvesprings, 4k GSK, Raptor 150GPH LP, DDP Stage IV 140hp injectors, Marine HG, Maxed Out P-Pump w/13mm Barrels, No Plate, Tuned AFC, 20° Timing, Holset HX40 & HX60 Compounds] [Custom 4,5" Downpipe, 5" Pipe & Dual 6" Stacks]

10-20-2013, 11:26 PM	#7
12vriviera Name: 12vriviera Title: That Guy with that car Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: north texas Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,846	You aren't far and above all feasible power, a dpc triple disc, with around stock stall or a little less, and a well built transmission with plenty of pressure for lockup and clutch packs, and as long as valving and shift points are correct any 300m input should handle it just fine. __________________ Brandon Carr. Owner of the 24V RIV Competition Diesel.Com - Bringing The BEST Together I am a pushover https://www.facebook.com/#!/24VRIVIERA

10-20-2013, 10:00 PM	#1
angelic0- Name: angelic0- Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2009 Member`s Gallery Posts: 252	Which Converter ??? I am in a pickle trying to pick out a converter... Truck is a daily driver, with 916hp at crank measured on a water brake dyno-MITE "land and sea" dynamometer... never drove the new truck with this motor, as i'm currently building a RH47 for it... Just looking for the right converter... Truck is as said before, daily driven, tows a #10000 on occasion and does see the strip every now and then, but is thought of as a more of a weekend warrior... Any suggestions are greatly appreciated ! __________________ 2001 Dodge RAM 3500 DRW: [BBD 60# Valvesprings, 4k GSK, Raptor 150GPH LP, DDP Stage IV 140hp injectors, Marine HG, Maxed Out P-Pump w/13mm Barrels, No Plate, Tuned AFC, 20° Timing, Holset HX40 & HX60 Compounds] [Custom 4,5" Downpipe, 5" Pipe & Dual 6" Stacks] Last edited by angelic0-; 10-20-2013 at 10:01 PM.

10-20-2013, 11:57 PM	#8
angelic0- Name: angelic0- Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2009 Member`s Gallery Posts: 252	TCS 300M input shaft will do the trick ?? __________________ 2001 Dodge RAM 3500 DRW: [BBD 60# Valvesprings, 4k GSK, Raptor 150GPH LP, DDP Stage IV 140hp injectors, Marine HG, Maxed Out P-Pump w/13mm Barrels, No Plate, Tuned AFC, 20° Timing, Holset HX40 & HX60 Compounds] [Custom 4,5" Downpipe, 5" Pipe & Dual 6" Stacks]

10-21-2013, 12:20 AM	#9
displacedtexan Name: displacedtexan Title: $500 PREMIUM MEMBER Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mobilehoma Member`s Gallery Posts: 13,876	Yeah, you're not near the "excessive" power level... Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk __________________ I talk loud.

10-21-2013, 02:16 AM	#10
madmikeismad Name: madmikeismad Title: So mad Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Newalla, OK Member`s Gallery Posts: 14,347	I don't know if i should laugh or not. Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2 __________________ Mike Hill

10-21-2013, 09:53 AM	#11
12vriviera Name: 12vriviera Title: That Guy with that car Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: north texas Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,846	tcs 300m shaft is a great piece.. and you arent making near the power swole was when his imploded.. A decent trans build should do just fine. __________________ Brandon Carr. Owner of the 24V RIV Competition Diesel.Com - Bringing The BEST Together I am a pushover https://www.facebook.com/#!/24VRIVIERA

10-21-2013, 09:14 PM	#15
country_hick Name: country_hick Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2012 Member`s Gallery Posts: 42	A tripled billet tc is rated for 1,500 foot pounds of torque. That is normally around 700-750HP according to revmax. 916 hp as the OP says he is seems to be above that level. Even if we figure a 20% driveline loss that would be about 732hp. That could be above the power limit. Besides, it would appear that the torque limit is at the front (input) of the torque converter not at the rear axle. You can read the limits for yourself here. 47RE Stage 4 Torque Converter (1996-1998) You can look at several other tc makers and they all have the same 1,500 ft. lb. rating. That is probably because not many makers of that triple billet kit exist. Explain again how I was off so far in my assessment of 916 HP being above the acceptable power limit of a triple tc? I do not see it.

10-21-2013, 09:40 PM	#16
displacedtexan Name: displacedtexan Title: $500 PREMIUM MEMBER Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mobilehoma Member`s Gallery Posts: 13,876	Because his dyno was at the crank, with far more load than the truck will be able to put on the engine. A triple will be just fine for him. __________________ I talk loud.

10-21-2013, 09:42 PM	#17
displacedtexan Name: displacedtexan Title: $500 PREMIUM MEMBER Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mobilehoma Member`s Gallery Posts: 13,876	Also, the ratings from Revmax (which apply to that convertor, not all triple discs) are rear wheel numbers, as that the numbers people go by, because that how we typically measure power. __________________ I talk loud.

10-21-2013, 09:46 PM	#18
12vriviera Name: 12vriviera Title: That Guy with that car Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: north texas Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,846	And, people here actually have experience with more power than he is making, not posting links for random, though informative material. A triple will be fine. You have been messing this poor guy up on both his Trans threads, mr hick. He will be fine, and we have vendors that we like here more than revmax. __________________ Brandon Carr. Owner of the 24V RIV Competition Diesel.Com - Bringing The BEST Together I am a pushover https://www.facebook.com/#!/24VRIVIERA

10-21-2013, 11:01 PM	#20
dieselracer07 Name: dieselracer07 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Tifton, GA Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,968	There are DPC triple disc converters all over the country holding that much power or more on a daily basis.... Sent from my paperweight __________________ 1998 ECSB 4x4: Contagious 5x18s, Hamilton 188/220, 165LB springs, Billet S467 FMW, Billet .093 holders, full cuts, 5500GSK, billet Pro Street Diesel trans, DPC 2200 stall triple disc, AD II 200 w/sump, o-ringed head, etc...