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Old 04-05-2017, 12:18 PM   #21
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What transmission will you be using?
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Old 04-05-2017, 12:42 PM   #22
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A 12mm pump should not even be a consideration for a puller...wtf.
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Old 04-05-2017, 12:50 PM   #23
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A 12mm pump should not even be a consideration for a puller...wtf.
while i agree with this.... i also think if there is a budget the pump can remain a 12mm. especially with that charger. at this level, once a turbo that fits the rules is decided on. that will line up the rest of your parts list. the turbo will decide what rpm window the engine build and fuel system parts need to be. that cam might be a tad large for that charger. one indidvidual who posted in a manner to correct some poor information would be the one who could help you out with a good amount of parts, to get this thing running as best as possible with in your budget.

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Old 04-05-2017, 02:00 PM   #24
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We are gonna go with the stock set-up (47re) with billet input/output shafts and a tricked out converter.
 
Old 04-05-2017, 02:14 PM   #25
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Hey, I know that truck!

I live off of 530th street right down from your shop.
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while i agree with this.... i also think if there is a budget the pump can remain a 12mm. especially with that charger. at this level, once a turbo that fits the rules is decided on. that will line up the rest of your parts list. the turbo will decide what rpm window the engine build and fuel system parts need to be. that cam might be a tad large for that charger. one indidvidual who posted in a manner to correct some poor information would be the one who could help you out with a good amount of parts, to get this thing running as best as possible with in your budget.
Thanx man!
 
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Ballast: Ballast is permitted. Front hanging weights are allowed, Weight not to exceed 60 inches forward of the center of the front axle. This will be measured from center of front axle to end of weight assembly. Ballast may be added in the bed of the truck. Weight box permitted only for weight. Holding fuel, batteries, or anything other than weight is prohibited.

Batteries: Batteries must be no farther forward of stock location.

Body: The body must be the OEM truck body including the full bed floor. The body must retain full sheet metal. Metal aftermarket hoods are permitted. Fiberglass hoods and roll pans are permitted. All Fiberglass hoods must be shielded on the underneath side with sheet metal or aluminum skin a minimum of .060 thick. The hood must be closed and securely latched while the truck is hooked to the sled. The complete OEM firewall and complete OEM floor pan is mandatory. A factory installed pickup bed or commercial style aftermarket bed must be installed.

Brakes: Four wheel hydraulic functional brakes are mandatory.

Chassis: The OEM chassis is mandatory. The engine must be in the OEM location for the body used. The vehicle must retain the OEM chassis. Wheel tubs, back half conversions, tube chassis, etc., are prohibited.

Cooling System: Radiators must be in stock location and be of at least stock size

Driveline: An OEM transmission and transfer case are mandatory. They must have been an option on a one ton or smaller pickup.

Engine: The engine block must have been available as a factory option on a one ton or smaller pickup truck. Cubic Inch limit of 445 CI. Blocks must circulate coolant freely. No hard filled blocks. Water pumps may be factory or electric powered. All factory belt driven accessories, excluding the air conditioning compressor, must be retained and powered via the crankshaft by a standard serpentine or “V” belt. Electric cooling fans are permitted.

Exhaust: All trucks must be equipped to direct exhaust upward. Hood stack permitted. Two 3/8 diameter bolts must be installed through exhaust pipe in a cross pattern within 1 inch of each other, as close to the turbo as possible.

Fuel: Hand throttles permitted. The fuel must be pump #1, #2 diesel or Soy/Biodiesel. Fuel must be commercially available. Fuel cell permitted in factory location or mounted securely in the bed.

Fuel Injection Pump: The fuel injection pump is limited to cylinder number specific (I.e. 6 cylinder pump on a 6 cylinder motor). Dual high pressure common rail fuel pumps or HPOPs are allowed. Ag governors permitted. No Sigma or 12 cylinder pumps allowed.

Harmonic Balancer: All engines turning more than 4500 RPM must be equipped with a harmonic balancer or dampener meeting SFI Spec 18.1.

Hitch: The hitch must be a receiver-style hitch. The receiver tube hitch must be horizontal/parallel to the ground and stationary in all directions. Reinforcements are permitted. Any hitch attachments/bracing must be from frame down not from axle up but must not extend forward of the center line of the rear axle, and must remain inside the frame rails. No part of the hitch can be above the frame rail. Trick hitches are prohibited. Bumper may be notched or removed.
Hooking point: The hooking point is defined as the point of contact between the hook of the sled and the rearmost part of the opening of the hitch (ie: where the hook drops). Hooking point must have a minimum of 3 inch by 3 ¾ inch inside opening for the sled hook. Hooking point must be parallel to the ground, and must not hinge or pivot in any direction. It must be the rear most point on the vehicle and must be rearward of the stock location of the tailgate. The hooking point must be a minimum of 44 inches from the center of the rear axle to the hooking point, a maximum of 26” from the ground. Final decision of legality of all hitches resides with the head tech official.
Intercoolers: Only air to air intercoolers are allowed. No types of water to air coolers, no spray bars or water injection allowed. No individual runner intakes manifolds allowed. (Example ZZ custom fab). 6.7 powerstrokes may retain the factory water to air intercooler but are not allowed to use any coolant other than the factory system routing.

Interior: A complete interior, including dashboard, door panels etc. is mandatory. Two matching front seats are mandatory. Aftermarket seats are permitted, they must be fully upholstered. All factory controls lights, windows, signals, wipers, etc., must be retained and in working order. After market gauges are allowed.

Kill Switches: All trucks are required to have kill switch located on the back of the truck, located near the hooking point. On trucks with an electric injection fuel pumps it must have an electric shut off or disconnect for the injection pump on the back of the truck. It is recommended to have an air shut off on all trucks. Kill switch failure will result in disqualification. Electric shut off or air is permitted. Must be above hooking point and within 12 inches of the hitch.

Nitrous Oxide: Nitrous Oxide is prohibited. No other oxygen extenders are allowed. All system components must be removed from the truck.

Propane: Propane is prohibited. All system components must be removed from the truck.

Rear End: Non OEM rear-end housings are prohibited. The rear end housings must have been for a one ton or smaller pickup pick up. Rear axle bolts must be covered with a cap or shield.

Safety Equipment: All drivers must wear a helmet, and a SFI 3.2a approved fire jacket and long pants, not necessarily fire suit pants. All u-joints must be shielded, along with axle bolts.

Steering: The vehicle must retain the full, original OEM steering gear. The vehicle must retain the original OEM power assistance, if it was so equipped. Additional stabilizers are permitted. Non OEM power assist methods are prohibited.

Street Equipment: Complete headlight and taillights assemblies are mandatory and must be operative, except one front headlight may be removed for air inlet to engine. Complete OEM windshield and all other windows are mandatory. Windows must be able to operate per factory specifications; they must open and close via electrical or mechanical means.

Suspension - Front: The factory suspension configuration must be retained. Modifications to the front suspension that would alter the original location (I.e. moving it forward or backward) are not permitted. Strut tower braces, lower tie bars, sway bars, and limit straps are permitted. Traction bars and devices are permitted. Air shocks are prohibited.

Suspension - Rear: An OEM style suspension is mandatory. Traction bars and devices are permitted, they must be bolt on only, and welds are permitted for attachment to the frame or axle housing. Traction bars if installed must have a chain or cable or some type of safety device mounted one (1) foot from the front support to catch the bar in case of failure. Control arms may be strengthened or replaced, providing all original mounting points are retained and used. Sway bars, lower tie bars, limit straps, and camber kits are permitted. The rear suspension may be solid with a removable block. All rear suspensions must use at least one working leaf spring per wheel. Air bag spring assist and air shocks are prohibited.

Tires: The tires must be DOT street tires. Cut tires are prohibited. 35x12.50 maximum Factory dually trucks are allowed but must be STOCK size tires for that year and model. No bolt on duals allowed.

Transfer Case: Non - OEM transfer cases are prohibited. It must have been an option on a one ton or smaller pick-up truck.

Transmission - Automatic: Non - OEM transmissions are prohibited. Aftermarket torque converters, valve bodies and internal components are permitted. Transmission brakes are prohibited. Any non - OEM floor mounted automatic shifter must be equipped with a spring-loaded positive reverse lockout device to prevent the shifter from accidentally being put into reverse. A functional neutral safety switch is mandatory. Vehicle must not start in gear. All transmission lines must be metallic or high pressure type hose. All vehicles using an automatic transmission must be equipped with a flex plate meeting SFI Spec 2.1. A SFI Spec 4.1blow proof transmission blanket is required.

Transmission - Manual: Non - OEM transmissions are prohibited. A clutch meeting minimum SFI Spec1.1 or 2.1 is mandatory on all engines. All manual transmissions must be clutch assisted. Sequential shifters are prohibited. All vehicles equipped with a manual transmission must have a flywheel shield labeled as meeting minimum SFI Spec 6.3 or greater. Applications for which an SFI Spec flywheel shield is not available you must use a properly attached SFI 4.1 or 4.2 blankets that completely cover the bell housing. It must be attached to the rear of the engine block and extend rearward to the transmission with a minimum of six (6) inch overlap where it is fastened. All transmissions or clutch pedals will have a safety interlock switch so that vehicle will not start in gear.

TURBOCHARGER: A S-4, GT42, HX50 turbo is the largest turbo allowed with billet wheel permitted. A T-4 mounting flange is the largest allowed. A single turbocharger with a single compression stage is permitted, a drop-in style billet wheel only. Ford factory twin turbos are permitted with no alterations/modifications to bore/housing as long as the atmosphere turbo does not exceed the OEM straight bore dimension. (2.59”) No TAPERED COVERS will be permitted.
Turbos must be a true 2.5 charger before and after the MWE groove. No clipped wheels or step down covers. A square/straight cut .200” MWE groove maximum. Groove will be checked with a ball diameter of .200 on the end of a pick or by other means, no additional features or structures are permitted in the slot that would prevent passage of the ball. No angled MWE grooves, no radiusing or contouring is allowed; only sharp corners with minimal chamfers/edge rounding is legal. The compressor wheel exducer tip limit of 98mm will be measures with dial calipers or a ring gauge. Inducer bore must be non-removable, non-adjustable. All air must go through 2.5 inducer bore or MWE groove. The wheel must protrude into the 2.5 bore 1/8”. Turbos will be checked with a 2.550” plug. The Driver is required to make the compressor wheel and cover accessible for tech officials to measure bore and inspect compressor wheel at any time, No Billet center sections. Failure to comply with the request will result in disqualification and banishment until the turbo is re-inspected.

Water Injection: Water injection is prohibited. All system components must be removed from truck.

Wheelbase: The vehicle must retain the original factory wheel base and track width. Factory duals are allowed only with factory spec tires.

Tech Inspection: During tech inspection driver must comply with all tech requests.
 
Old 04-05-2017, 06:28 PM   #27
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That must be the 2017 rules huh?
 
Old 04-05-2017, 06:55 PM   #28
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That must be the 2017 rules huh?
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Old 04-05-2017, 07:08 PM   #29
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2017 for PPL or something different?
 
Old 04-05-2017, 07:25 PM   #30
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13mm pump is definitely not necessary for 2.5 in MN
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Old 04-05-2017, 07:26 PM   #31
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They are Heartland rules. Wasn't that what you were looking for?????
 
Old 04-05-2017, 07:52 PM   #32
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Yes it was.....and thanx 4 gettin' them for me,,,much appreciated.
 
Old 04-05-2017, 08:25 PM   #33
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Go on. I've heard of valve shutter and the tubes being issues on all out trucks. Why else are the big hp pullers running 12V's (modified stock or aftermarket)?



180hp out of a 97/98 auto trans.

Some guys love the 215's which came in the manuals, but they retard timing.

All out builds make those connecting tubes disappear all together...
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Old 04-05-2017, 09:45 PM   #34
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All out builds make those connecting tubes disappear all together...
There's plenty of 1800+hp fuel only sled pullers out there using 24v heads with cross over tubes. There's no reason he needs to waste a perfectly good head to switch to a 12V or ditch the cross over tubes.
 
Old 04-05-2017, 09:52 PM   #35
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Those rules are for 2.5 class, NOT work stock street class. Heartland is having 3 diesel class's this year.
- W/S
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- Open diesel.
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Old 04-05-2017, 10:03 PM   #36
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Ok,,,,sooooooo which one is right then? Takedown95 sent me the rules for the w/s class and it looks to me like w/s is combined with 2.5. Or maybe I'm reading this wrong.?
 
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Ok,,,,sooooooo which one is right then? Takedown95 sent me the rules for the w/s class and it looks to me like w/s is combined with 2.5. Or maybe I'm reading this wrong.?
Sorry, not trying to be difficult, just don't want you building truck to wrong rules. I just talked to the diesel class rep and he's going to email them to me and I can forward them to you. Heartland's website is out of date.
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The Work Stock Class is designed for daily-driven, on the road pickup trucks (full-bodied diesel pickup trucks) Valid DOT registration and license plates are mandatory. The vehicle may be two or four wheel drive.
Weight Breaks: 8500 lbs. Weight is with driver
General Safety: A fire jacket and helmet are recommended.
Regulations:
Ballast: Ballast is permitted. Hanging front weights are prohibited. Ballast may be added in the bed of the truck. If used, ballast must be securely fastened to the bed.
Batteries: The batteries must be securely mounted. They may not be located in the driver compartment or forward of the radiator core support.
Body: The body must be the OEM truck body, including the full bed floor. The body must retain full sheet metal. Metal and fiberglass after-market hoods only are permitted. The hood must be closed and securely latched while the vehicle is hooked to sled. The complete OEM firewall and OEM floor pan is mandatory.
Brakes: Four-wheel hydraulic brakes are mandatory.
Chassis: The OEM chassis is mandatory. The engine must be in the OEM location for the body used. The vehicle must retain the full OEM chassis. Wheel tubs, back-half conversions, tube chassis, etc., are prohibited.
Cooling System: Radiators must be in the stock location and be of at least stock size.
Credentials: All drivers must have a valid state driver's license.
Driveline: An OEM transmission and transfer case are mandatory. They must have been an option on a one-ton or smaller pickup.
Driver Restraint System: The OEM restraint system is mandatory and must be worn.
Engine: The engine is limited to a stock-appearing, compression ignition engine. Engines of different makes may be interchanged as long as they were an option on a one-ton or less truck. The injection pump and turbo must remain engine make specific as described in the rules.
Exhaust: Vehicles are recommended to be equipped to direct exhaust upward. The exhaust must exit rearward of the driver's compartment. Stacks exiting through the hood or fender well are prohibited. If the muffler or catalytic converter have been changed from stock, two 3/8 inch diameter, minimum grade 5, bolts must be installed through the exhaust pipe in a cross pattern within one inch of each other as close to the turbo as is practical.
Fire Extinguisher System: A fire extinguisher is recommended. A fire extinguisher system is permitted.
Fuel: The fuel must be pump #1/#2 diesel only. Soy/Bio-diesel fuel is permitted. Off-road diesel fuel is prohibited. Nitrous Oxide is prohibited along with other oxygen extenders as well as the use of Propane is also prohibited. All system components MUST be removed from the truck.
Fuel Injection Pump: The fuel injection pump is limited to a stock-appearing, OEM engine model-specific pump only. The use of multiple high-pressure common-rail fuel pumps is allowed. Powerstroke engines with a single factory turbo may utilize a second HPOP. Pumps from different years in the same engine model may be interchanged.
Fuel Systems: The OEM fuel tank is mandatory and must be used. Racing fuel cells are prohibited and must be removed from vehicle. Aftermarket lift pumps are permitted.
Harmonic Balancer: All engines turning >- 4500 RPM must be equipped with a harmonic balancer or damper meeting SFI Spec 18.1
Hitch: The hitch must be a towing receiver-style hitch; reinforcements are permitted. Reinforcements must not extend forward of the centerline of the rear axle or to the axle housing itself. Trick hitches are prohibited. The hooking point must be the rear-most point on the vehicle and must be rearward of the stock location of the tailgate. The hooking point must be at least 28% of the vehicle wheelbase in length from the centerline of the rear axle. The hitch must be parallel to the ground. Bumpers may be notched or removed. The hitch's height from the ground may not exceed 26 inches on 4wd units and 30 inches on 2wd units. The hooking point must have a minimum 3.750 inch inside diameter opening for the sled hook. The hooking point will be measured to the center of the clevis loop. The clevis loop must face the ground and not sideways.
Intercoolers: Aftermarket air to air intercoolers are permitted as long as they remain in the stock location. Air to water or any other intercooler type is prohibited.
Interior: A complete interior, including dashboard, door panels, headliner, etc., is mandatory. Two matching front seats are mandatory. Aftermarket seats are permitted; they must be fully upholstered. All factory controls (lights, signals, horn, windows, wipers, etc.) must be retained and be operative. The use of hand-throttle controls is prohibited.
Rear End: Non-OEM rear-end housings are prohibited. It must have been an option on a one-ton or smaller pick up. Rear axle bolts must be covered by a cap or shield.
Steering: The vehicle must retain the full, original OEM steering gear. The vehicle must retain the original OEM power steering assistance, if it was so equipped. Additional stabilizers are permitted. Non-OEM power assist methods are prohibited.
Street Equipment: Complete headlight and taillight assemblies (all) are mandatory and must be operative. Complete OEM windshield and windows are mandatory. Windows must be operative per factory specifications; that is, they must open and close via OEM electrical or mechanical means.
Suspension, Front: The upper mounting point for strut assemblies must be in the factory location. Adjustable caster/camber pillow ball mounts permitted. The lower control arm may be strengthened provided factory-mounting points to chassis are maintained. The lower mounting point for the strut assembly may be modified for improved caster or camber. Strut tower braces, lower tie bars, and sway bars are permitted. Non-OEM limit straps, traction bars, and devices are prohibited.
Suspension, Rear: An OEM style suspension is mandatory. Lowering or raising the vehicle height with suspension modifications is permitted. Traction bars and devices are permitted; they must be bolt-on only; welds are permitted for attachment to frame or axle housing. All OEM suspension mounting points must be retained and used. Non-OEM sway bars, limit straps, and camber kits are prohibited. The rear suspension must maintain a minimum compression shock travel of one inch, blocking of the suspension is permitted. All rear suspensions must use at least one working shock absorber per wheel. Airbag spring assistance is permitted.
Tires: The tires must be DOT street tires. Cut tires are prohibited.
Tow Vehicles: Tow vehicles are prohibited in pit area. Trucks may be trailered in.
Transfer Case: Non-OEM transfer cases are prohibited. The transfer case must have been an option on a one-ton or smaller pickup truck.
Transmission, Automatic: Non-OEM transmissions are prohibited. Aftermarket torque converters, valve bodies, and internal components are permitted. Transmission brakes are prohibited. Any non-OEM floor-mounted automatic transmission shifter must be equipped with a spring-loaded positive reverse lockout device to prevent the shifter from accidentally being put into reverse gear. A functional neutral safety switch is mandatory. All transmission lines must be metallic or high-pressure type hose. All vehicles with engines running 4500 RPM or more and using an automatic transmission must be equipped with a transmission shield meeting SFI Spec 4.1 and must be labeled accordingly. A blanket-type shield is permitted; it must be appropriately labeled as meeting SFI Spec 4.1 and ir must extend from the rear of the block to the front of tail housing with a minimum six inch overlap where it is fastened. All non-blanket type shields must incorporate two (or one, per manufacturer's instructions) 3/4 inch by 1/8 inch straps that bolt to the shield on each side and pass under the transmission pan unless the transmission pan is labeled as meeting SFI Spec 4.1. All vehicles with engines running 4500 RPM or more and using an automatic transmission must be equipped with a flex plate meeting SFI Spec 29.1 and be covered by a flex plate shield meeting SFI Spec 30.1.
Transmission, Manual: Non-OEM transmissions are prohibited. Aftermarket internal components are permitted. A clutch meeting minimum SFI Spec 1.1 or 1.2 is mandatory on all vehicles with engines running 4500 RPM or more. All manual transmissions must be clutch assisted. Sequential shifters are prohibited. All vehicles with engines running 4500 RPM or more and equipped with a manual transmission must have a flywheel shield labeled as meeting minimum SFI Spec 6.3 or greater. Applications for which an SFI Spec flywheel shield is not available may use a properly attached SFI 4.1 or 4.2 blanket that completely covers the bell housing: it must be attached to the block and extend rearward to transmission with a minimum six inch overlap where it is fastened.
Turbocharger: The turbocharger is limited to a single OEM/Factory make-specific charger only. Turbochargers from different years in the same engine make may be interchanged, no adapters to accept other model turbo. Turbo can not exceed 68mm, all turbos must remain in the factory location. Turbos must utilize the correct flange no T-4 mainifolds or pedistals. Ford 6.4 liter Powerstroke engines may utilize the factory twin turbo configuration with no alteration.
Water Injection: Water injection is prohibited. All system components must be removed from the truck.
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There's plenty of 1800+hp fuel only sled pullers out there using 24v heads with cross over tubes. There's no reason he needs to waste a perfectly good head to switch to a 12V or ditch the cross over tubes.
With the rules you posted. I'd rather have the 24v head.
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All out builds make those connecting tubes disappear all together...
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Originally Posted by jlbayes View Post
With the rules you posted. I'd rather have the 24v head.
Let be clear on this. I think a 24V head makes more sense in damn near every application and, money aside, I'd toss one on any build I was personally doing.
The believe the question asked was "why use a 12V head?" That's all I was trying to answer.
I've stated that in other threads as well.

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