Brake upgrade power stop z36 kit or hawk? - Competition Diesel.Com

Levi_plummer · 05-07-2017, 08:21 PM

Hey guys looking for input on upgrading the brakes on my 95. The rotors are warped and it doesn't stop the best. I have a around a 1,700rpm stall and that is hard on the brakes too. I plan to pull my race truck around and that will be the max load say 10,000 with a four wheeler on a trailer. I have been shopping and seen the power stop z36 kit for $212 on rock auto.. then seen the rotors alone are $120 (pair) and $28 for the z36 pads (which together $150 seems much less for the exact same pads and rotors in the z36 kit that is $212). So I am thinking of buying that setup or the power stop drilled and slotted rotors with the hawk ltd pads I have read good reviews about on hear. Can anyone give me there input on a good brake upgrade around $200?

GAmes · 05-10-2017, 05:17 PM

Rotors don't "warp". Some good reading and something to help you decide what you need.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.genosga...rakeUtopia.pdf

https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.genosga...ttersGuide.pdf

kawi600 · 05-15-2017, 02:16 AM

Ive had a nightmare with the brakes on my 95. they just suck. I can see why this truck is called 'dodge ram'. Cause either you dodge or you ram the guy stopped in front of you, youre not stoppin! Ive rammed 2 so far I am not happy.
Id look into upgrading to the hydroboost brakes its an easy upgrade. Then slotted rotors and hawk pads. Not much else you can do unless you upgrade the knuckles to fit a different caliper and a larger rotor. this truck -needs- larger rotors and calipers.
Maybe swap out to an axle off a newer truck?
You could swap to OBS ford D60 knuckles and outers, that gets you a 2 piston caliper and a slightly larger rotor, I think

oh yeah, you may be braking hard then holding the pads on the rotor at a stop, which transfters heat from the rotor and can warp it.
Also look for cheap calipers with rusty pistons that dont retract back into the caliper correctly.

GAmes · 05-15-2017, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kawi600

Ive had a nightmare with the brakes on my 95. they just suck. I can see why this truck is called 'dodge ram'. Cause either you dodge or you ram the guy stopped in front of you, youre not stoppin! Ive rammed 2 so far I am not happy.

So it's the pickup's fault you are a running into other cars?

jfaulkner · 05-15-2017, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GAmes

So it's the pickup's fault you are a running into other cars?

Duh, do you forget the world we live in now?

xDiesel03 · 05-15-2017, 07:47 AM

I am very impressed with EBC. I bought their slotted and dimpled rotors and green stuff pads for my 2003 for around $640ish and couldn't be happier. In fact, I was so unimpressed with the comparitive braking on my 2012 I changed out the pads within the first 1000mi to EBC yellow stuff; they are also awesome.

Can you turn the rotors? If so just turn them and throw on some good pads so they have a uniform surface to bed in to.

CorneliusRox · 05-15-2017, 07:50 AM

Hydroboost could be a nice upgrade for you too. I can lock up all four 37's on my truck. Really brake fade is my only issue with the stock setup.

GAmes · 05-15-2017, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jfaulkner

Duh, do you forget the world we live in now?

Do you think I've driven over 700,000 miles with a trailer hitched up, with this pickup alone to not know what today's drivers are like? My pickup has never rammed another car. Vehicles don't cause wrecks, poor driving does.

biggy238 · 05-15-2017, 09:15 AM

I'm going to offer up this: replace the rotors, and replace ALL of the soft lines, front and rear. Between that and upgrading rear cylinders and doing a proper adjustment, the pedal should be back right at the top and moderate stopping power.

Also, if your hubs are worn, the front rotors will run in an orbit instead of on axis, and will reduce braking control.

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Kronic_187 · 05-15-2017, 12:37 PM

x2 for changin out brake lines...

i got the DT profab extended steel braided lines on my truck and it made a HUGE difference

CorneliusRox · 05-15-2017, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kronic_187

x2 for changin out brake lines...

i got the DT profab extended steel braided lines on my truck and it made a HUGE difference

Man, I've been wanting to pull the trigger on some ss front lines for a while. Are they that much better?

biggy238 · 05-15-2017, 01:24 PM

I think it is 90% of the improvement on mine. The rest is having the proper thickness rotors.

I did mine during the locking hub conversion, but the truck has 304,000 and it stops better now than it did when I bought it with 138k

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jlbayes · 05-15-2017, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CorneliusRox

Man, I've been wanting to pull the trigger on some ss front lines for a while. Are they that much better?

I have Russells lines but yes. Actually have sets on both of my trucks. Wish we had an easy option for dual piston calipers on the captured rotor axles.

CorneliusRox · 05-16-2017, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by biggy238

I think it is 90% of the improvement on mine. The rest is having the proper thickness rotors.

I did mine during the locking hub conversion, but the truck has 304,000 and it stops better now than it did when I bought it with 138k

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Originally Posted by jlbayes

I have Russells lines but yes. Actually have sets on both of my trucks. Wish we had an easy option for dual piston calipers on the captured rotor axles.

Looks like I'm ordering up a set! Also, looks like both my front brake hard lines are going to need replacing when I do it. Any recommendations on a hard line that'll last more than five years... I've replaced them three times now.

jlbayes · 05-16-2017, 08:53 AM

Wash it more often

Sorry no real suggestion. Stainless?

CorneliusRox · 05-16-2017, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jlbayes

Wash it more often

Sorry no real suggestion. Stainless?

ha ha. I saw a picture of my truck ten years ago the other day and it was so nice. Now it's rusted to all Hell... It bums me out. I want to buy a truck from the south, but it'd just be condemning it to rust in 10-15 years!

I should just save and get a new F250 that's aluminum!

97rada · 05-16-2017, 09:16 AM

What is the cheaper upgrade for the stainless lines up front? My 44 foot trailer is really taxing my Dually. Also does anyone have suggestions for the 80 drum shoes?

jlbayes · 05-16-2017, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 97rada

What is the cheaper upgrade for the stainless lines up front? My 44 foot trailer is really taxing my Dually. Also does anyone have suggestions for the 80 drum shoes?

Russell Brake Lines Street Legal Braided Stainless Dodge Ram 1500 2500 Pickup

97rada · 05-16-2017, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jlbayes

Russell Brake Lines Street Legal Braided Stainless Dodge Ram 1500 2500 Pickup

Have you used that?

jlbayes · 05-16-2017, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jlbayes

I have Russells lines but yes. Actually have sets on both of my trucks. Wish we had an easy option for dual piston calipers on the captured rotor axles.

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Originally Posted by 97rada

Have you used that?

05-07-2017, 08:21 PM	#1
Levi_plummer Name: Levi_plummer Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2012 Member`s Gallery Posts: 346	Brake upgrade power stop z36 kit or hawk? Hey guys looking for input on upgrading the brakes on my 95. The rotors are warped and it doesn't stop the best. I have a around a 1,700rpm stall and that is hard on the brakes too. I plan to pull my race truck around and that will be the max load say 10,000 with a four wheeler on a trailer. I have been shopping and seen the power stop z36 kit for $212 on rock auto.. then seen the rotors alone are $120 (pair) and $28 for the z36 pads (which together $150 seems much less for the exact same pads and rotors in the z36 kit that is $212). So I am thinking of buying that setup or the power stop drilled and slotted rotors with the hawk ltd pads I have read good reviews about on hear. Can anyone give me there input on a good brake upgrade around $200? __________________ 92 W250 sclb. "Jinny" 962/1472. 7.08@98mph RIP.. 96 sclb 4x4 new racetruck in the making 97 sclb 4x4 tow rig

05-10-2017, 05:17 PM	#2
GAmes Name: GAmes Title: Retired Apache pilot Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Killeen, TX Member`s Gallery Posts: 271	Rotors don't "warp". Some good reading and something to help you decide what you need. https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.genosga...rakeUtopia.pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.genosga...ttersGuide.pdf __________________ '97 Dodge 3500, G56, slightly bombed, A million+ miles, started 2nd million on 8/24/13 Now past 1.3 million and going strong.

05-15-2017, 02:16 AM	#3
kawi600 Name: kawi600 Title: got Coal for Christmas Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: communist urban hell Member`s Gallery Posts: 861	Ive had a nightmare with the brakes on my 95. they just suck. I can see why this truck is called 'dodge ram'. Cause either you dodge or you ram the guy stopped in front of you, youre not stoppin! Ive rammed 2 so far I am not happy. Id look into upgrading to the hydroboost brakes its an easy upgrade. Then slotted rotors and hawk pads. Not much else you can do unless you upgrade the knuckles to fit a different caliper and a larger rotor. this truck -needs- larger rotors and calipers. Maybe swap out to an axle off a newer truck? You could swap to OBS ford D60 knuckles and outers, that gets you a 2 piston caliper and a slightly larger rotor, I think oh yeah, you may be braking hard then holding the pads on the rotor at a stop, which transfters heat from the rotor and can warp it. Also look for cheap calipers with rusty pistons that dont retract back into the caliper correctly. __________________ Psalm 144 Psalm 37:10,11 Isaiah 65:20 Last edited by kawi600; 05-15-2017 at 02:20 AM.

05-15-2017, 07:47 AM	#6
xDiesel03 Name: xDiesel03 Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2013 Member`s Gallery Posts: 225	I am very impressed with EBC. I bought their slotted and dimpled rotors and green stuff pads for my 2003 for around $640ish and couldn't be happier. In fact, I was so unimpressed with the comparitive braking on my 2012 I changed out the pads within the first 1000mi to EBC yellow stuff; they are also awesome. Can you turn the rotors? If so just turn them and throw on some good pads so they have a uniform surface to bed in to. __________________ 2003 2500 QCSB 4x4 3.73 - Firepunk HPT Tuned, BBI Stage 2's, DAP 63/68/12, Hamilton [624/1050 and 680/1206 with Water/Meth] 2012 2500 CCSB 4x4 3.73 Firepunk EFI and Comp3, D&J Built 6.7L, S&S 200%, ATS Dual CP3 w/ Exergy 12mm, S366/S483 Compounds [1086/2289]

05-15-2017, 07:50 AM	#7
CorneliusRox Name: CorneliusRox Title: Seasoned Rookie Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Detroit, MI Member`s Gallery Posts: 4,154	Hydroboost could be a nice upgrade for you too. I can lock up all four 37's on my truck. Really brake fade is my only issue with the stock setup. __________________ Corey - BSME '21 Tesla Model 3 Perf '22 DMax AT4 2500

05-15-2017, 09:15 AM	#9
biggy238 Name: biggy238 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just North of Wrong Member`s Gallery Posts: 10,868	I'm going to offer up this: replace the rotors, and replace ALL of the soft lines, front and rear. Between that and upgrading rear cylinders and doing a proper adjustment, the pedal should be back right at the top and moderate stopping power. Also, if your hubs are worn, the front rotors will run in an orbit instead of on axis, and will reduce braking control. Sent from my XT1575 using Tapatalk __________________ Check out @bdmaximusworx 05.5 Campanella White TDi Jetta 5spd 45.5MPG -Little Sexy '10 Silver F250 CCLB 4X4 6.4L cummins Swapped Insta @trash.panda250

05-15-2017, 12:37 PM	#10
Kronic_187 Name: Kronic_187 Title: Mekanical injection junky Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: British Columbia, Canada Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,343	x2 for changin out brake lines... i got the DT profab extended steel braided lines on my truck and it made a HUGE difference __________________ 96:CCLB/4x4:NV5600/3250DD, 178/208, 7mmDV's, 5x.016, 155*, 2095, 4GSK, H11, 61.5/68/.9-88/96/1.32, Hammy VS/Manton PR, Dual 3.5" Pusher, 1/2"Feed-3/8Return,6" longarm, Junkyard Freespin Kit

05-15-2017, 01:24 PM	#12
biggy238 Name: biggy238 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just North of Wrong Member`s Gallery Posts: 10,868	I think it is 90% of the improvement on mine. The rest is having the proper thickness rotors. I did mine during the locking hub conversion, but the truck has 304,000 and it stops better now than it did when I bought it with 138k Sent from my XT1575 using Tapatalk __________________ Check out @bdmaximusworx 05.5 Campanella White TDi Jetta 5spd 45.5MPG -Little Sexy '10 Silver F250 CCLB 4X4 6.4L cummins Swapped Insta @trash.panda250

05-16-2017, 08:53 AM	#15
jlbayes Name: jlbayes Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: michigan Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,399	Wash it more often Sorry no real suggestion. Stainless? __________________ Jacob, 97 rclb

05-16-2017, 09:16 AM	#17
97rada Name: 97rada Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2008 Member`s Gallery Posts: 5,410	What is the cheaper upgrade for the stainless lines up front? My 44 foot trailer is really taxing my Dually. Also does anyone have suggestions for the 80 drum shoes? __________________ Austin tow truck- 14-3500 with tuning toy truck -94 rclb auto- 5.2x with a lot left. Shooting for 4s Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex...it takes a touch of genius- and alot of courage to move in the opposite direction.