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Ghostman · 10-21-2014, 01:58 PM

YEP ^^, that way I can have lock up right on the shifter and easily hit it with my thumb and not take hand off shifter to hit a switch. Convenience factor.

*zfaylor* · 10-21-2014, 02:03 PM

I find it really fun to leave lockup on when taking off and when i grab third it feels like a rocket ship

CorneliusRox · 10-21-2014, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by zfaylor

Relays typically depend on a constant feed of voltage in order for them to be "on". Since the buttons in most shift handles are momentary or dead man switches as some call them the latching relay sees a momentary signal voltage sent to go to the on position where it stays. Then when you tap the switch again a momentary voltage unlatches the relay or puts in in the off position.

x3
The other way around it (without adding an arduino or something cool) is to use five relays to make the same action. This is a much much cheaper way of doing that and it takes of less space too!

biggy238 · 10-21-2014, 03:27 PM

I wanted a latching relay for mine but never found one.
I went the arduino route.
What were you guys using the relay for?

CorneliusRox · 10-21-2014, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by biggy238

I wanted a latching relay for mine but never found one.
I went the arduino route.
What were you guys using the relay for?

Are you asking how to use five relays to make one momentary switch into an on/off switch? I forget, but I am sure you could google it. It was pretty ridiculous. lol

EDIT:

5 with no diodes

4 with diodes

biggy238 · 10-21-2014, 03:45 PM

That's funny

biggy238 · 10-21-2014, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by biggy238

That's funny

I will say this, with a $15 arduino, some parts from radios hack and a brain, you can make the OD and 3rd will do what you want when you want.
I'm guessing the last of those items is the daunting one.

CorneliusRox · 10-21-2014, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by biggy238

I will say this, with a $15 arduino, some parts from radios hack and a brain, you can make the OD and 3rd will do what you want when you want.
I'm guessing the last of those items is the daunting one.

Oh I know. Arduino's are bad ass! It gets you much more consistent.
Trying to use a solid state relay to work as a driver for PWM for the gov solenoid to control everything! Don't know if it'll work, but I'm working on it.

Ghostman · 10-21-2014, 07:15 PM

Ordered solenoids from wittrans Monday morning and they're here already lol. So I tested it and everything works. Old solenoids must be bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvoxTRUKknk

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NELSON359 · 10-21-2014, 07:57 PM

I have a manual VB from Darren Morrison and love it. Shift are super firm and fast and have Never had it act up one time. I use a TCI outlaw gate shifter, it's super easy to install and very easy to adjust. I ordered a 6' cable afterwards because the 5' was just to short, it worked but was run very tight and tucked behind the starter to try to get every inch. I have a switch for lock up and OD. But I don't have to use the OD switch when just casually driving around. When I go to race I turn the Factory OD switch off then I am able to use my OD toggle switch to get od to shift when I want it to.

biggy238 · 10-21-2014, 08:04 PM

So what are the drawbacks of running the throttle valve tied forward? I assume manual VB's run constant pressure?

90dodge · 10-21-2014, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by biggy238

So what are the drawbacks of running the throttle valve tied forward? I assume manual VB's run constant pressure?

Only things I have heard is that it just makes the shifts a little more agressive.

CorneliusRox · 10-22-2014, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by biggy238

So what are the drawbacks of running the throttle valve tied forward? I assume manual VB's run constant pressure?

On occasion, people who tie it 100% forward have issues shifting. It drags out before shifting. Not sure why, and I have heard the problem is fixed my tying it 90-95% back instead of 100%.

I'm with you though in thinking it shouldn't matter if it's a constant pressure manual valve body.

90dodge · 10-22-2014, 10:09 AM

So what modifications does the transgo kit make to delete the low/reverse apply in first gear? Are they able to do it without modification to the low/reverse servo, or are you still using it?

CorneliusRox · 10-22-2014, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 90dodge

So what modifications does the transgo kit make to delete the low/reverse apply in first gear? Are they able to do it without modification to the low/reverse servo, or are you still using it?

For $115, you can answer that for all of us ;-)
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/tr...a1caAiPL8P8HAQ

*zfaylor* · 10-22-2014, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 90dodge

So what modifications does the transgo kit make to delete the low/reverse apply in first gear? Are they able to do it without modification to the low/reverse servo, or are you still using it?

I still have my instructions at home i will look through them again and let you know. I dont recall touching any servos though. I know transgo made changes to the original TFOD-3 kit over time eliminating certain tasks during install. In fact the install video on their website has a warning telling you the install has changed since the video was shot.

It was no more involved than the tfod-2 kits I have installed in the past. There are a few more holes to drill and you have to do some filing on the throttle valve but other than that it was simple and straight forward. As I mentioned the only servo parts they included were optional and only needed if doing certain steps. I saved them to do later once the trans is out this winter for a full build. I am blanking right now on that portion though. It was surprising how large of a box they sent for so few parts.

Hardest part was getting the dam ratchet shifter cable on and routed correctly. I don't know about the other guys but I actually had to put the cable on the bottom of the shift arm because there was absolutely no way it would fit going into the top like the instructions had. The B&M instructions will make ya glad you don't own a GM product though I might add. Apparently improper cable adjustment on those makes the trans go kapooya

90dodge · 10-22-2014, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CorneliusRox

For $115, you can answer that for all of us ;-)
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/tr...a1caAiPL8P8HAQ

My rear band is already in bad shape, I'm sure I'd finish it off if I started using it all the time.

Ghostman · 10-22-2014, 12:09 PM

I had to put it on the bottom also on my trans Faylor. I still ace my instructions also so I'll look at them

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matty169 · 10-22-2014, 10:10 PM

I use Suncoast Pro Loc for OD and lock up.........kinda pricey though.

biggy238 · 10-24-2014, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by matty169

I use Suncoast Pro Loc for OD and lock up.........kinda pricey though.

Not sure what the pro-loc can do overall but I got those two functional on my $60 of hardware. Just no user interface, speeds have to be coded.

10-21-2014, 02:03 PM	#22
zfaylor Name: zfaylor Title: Comp Diesel Sponsor Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: P-TOWN!, Indiana Member`s Gallery Posts: 5,024	I find it really fun to leave lockup on when taking off and when i grab third it feels like a rocket ship __________________ 2015 half ton heavy chevy 81 Fairmont LS project Many yard ornament projects... North American Turbo

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biggy238 Name: biggy238 Title: Too Much Time Status: Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just North of Wrong Member`s Gallery Posts: 10,869	I wanted a latching relay for mine but never found one. I went the arduino route. What were you guys using the relay for? __________________ Check out @bdmaximusworx 05.5 Campanella White TDi Jetta 5spd 45.5MPG -Little Sexy '10 Silver F250 CCLB 4X4 6.4L cummins Swapped Insta @trash.panda250

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biggy238 Name: biggy238 Title: Too Much Time Status: Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just North of Wrong Member`s Gallery Posts: 10,869	That's funny __________________ Check out @bdmaximusworx 05.5 Campanella White TDi Jetta 5spd 45.5MPG -Little Sexy '10 Silver F250 CCLB 4X4 6.4L cummins Swapped Insta @trash.panda250

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NELSON359 Name: NELSON359 Title: trying to keep up Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: maryland Member`s Gallery Posts: 803	47rh manual valvebody. Talk me into/out of it I have a manual VB from Darren Morrison and love it. Shift are super firm and fast and have Never had it act up one time. I use a TCI outlaw gate shifter, it's super easy to install and very easy to adjust. I ordered a 6' cable afterwards because the 5' was just to short, it worked but was run very tight and tucked behind the starter to try to get every inch. I have a switch for lock up and OD. But I don't have to use the OD switch when just casually driving around. When I go to race I turn the Factory OD switch off then I am able to use my OD toggle switch to get od to shift when I want it to. __________________ 95 rclb 11.41 @120mph SOLD Last edited by NELSON359; 10-21-2014 at 07:59 PM.

10-21-2014, 08:04 PM	#31
biggy238 Name: biggy238 Title: Too Much Time Status: Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just North of Wrong Member`s Gallery Posts: 10,869	So what are the drawbacks of running the throttle valve tied forward? I assume manual VB's run constant pressure? __________________ Check out @bdmaximusworx 05.5 Campanella White TDi Jetta 5spd 45.5MPG -Little Sexy '10 Silver F250 CCLB 4X4 6.4L cummins Swapped Insta @trash.panda250

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matty169 Name: matty169 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2009 Location: Green Bay, Wi Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,542	I use Suncoast Pro Loc for OD and lock up.........kinda pricey though. __________________ 2002 Dodge 2500 2WD Quad cab, Silver Bullet 64, Helix2 cam, springs, studs, water/meth, blah,blah,blah TRANSMISSION BY FIREPUNK CONVERTER BY DPC Edge drag comp