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dieselbeef · 08-17-2017, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Financial Mistake

Eh... 10k+ worth of work in a $5,000 truck? Fun? Yes. Cool? Absolutely? Power? Fuq yes.

Wise investment for the application? Not so much. We can't all be Rick Fox lol.

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not gonna do that for sure..said that about a ppump too but I can fix it..i need it to run and work..racing and pulling days are over

Financial Mistake · 08-17-2017, 02:23 PM

Hard to beat the almost apocalypse proof p7100 in regards to no BS reliability.

As far as power/performance goes, that's a can of worms that will never be settled.

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Financial Mistake · 08-17-2017, 02:32 PM

Something else to consider... VE swap.

Parts are a little harder to source, but can be had considerably cheaper. Don't need conversion lines. Not static timing. Easy starting even in moderately cold weather. Great MPG.

Food for thought.

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dieselbeef · 08-17-2017, 02:34 PM

no no no...whats the downside of the ppump

BRE · 08-17-2017, 02:34 PM

I just like the habits of a vp truck much better for less than 450hp.
You walk out, hit the key, it starts. They're adjustable.
I feel aside from the odd cases (yours), they're easier to diagnose when a problem does arise. Lots of little things for me.
And with this case, you can't blame it being a vp problem. It's an electrical problem, and that's a damn second gen dodge for ya. I understand it "wouldn't be happening" with a ppump, they are not the end all be all of truck problems.

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*zfaylor* · 08-17-2017, 02:37 PM

The lines. Conversion lines are far less reliable than any vp truck in my experiences.

dieselbeef · 08-17-2017, 02:40 PM

so whats really different from it being a 12v ..like in a 95..cept the 24v head I know..yes its aftermarket but isn't the 7100 pump the same

cruise will work right

the check engine light? on/or off?

do away with my holley pusher pump.

less electrical aftermarket crap..no more fuel guage problems either? or will it stay

dieselbeef · 08-17-2017, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by zfaylor

The lines. Conversion lines are far less reliable than any vp truck in my experiences.

I have heard they crack? I planned on steel not ss so they wouldn't be as brittle..

still thinking out loud

Financial Mistake · 08-17-2017, 02:42 PM

Not really any downsides to the pump itself, aside from Static timing is kind of a bummer, but not really an issue on a sub 400hp daily.

The swap is somewhat tedious, and can be intimidating to someone who isn't fairly well versed with this particular platform. Labor WILL get EXPENSIVE. Period.

The thing is, it is a bit of a pointless swap unless you're looking for power. You're not looking for power, and the VP would absolutely do what you want the best. But... you have circumstances that have kinda made the VP less of a viable option...

Idk. I don't want to tell you to swap it. But I don't want you to keep chasing your tail on this thing and wasting more money.

Flip a coin I suppose. Swap it or sell it. That's what "I" would do.

But seriously, look into a VE swap, that sounds like a good compromise for you.

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*zfaylor* · 08-17-2017, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dieselbeef

so whats really different from it being a 12v ..like in a 95..cept the 24v head I know..yes its aftermarket but isn't the 7100 pump the same

cruise will work right

the check engine light? on/or off?

do away with my holley pusher pump.

less electrical aftermarket crap..no more fuel guage problems either? or will it stay

You still need a lift pump and any thing that doesn't work before the swap will not work after the swap. The p7100 will only replace the vp. It doesn't fix all of the electrical issues.

dieselbeef · 08-17-2017, 02:52 PM

the map sensor will no longer control the fueling on the truck tho

Financial Mistake · 08-17-2017, 02:53 PM

Cruise will still work, if its vacuum operated cruise. Can't remember what yr you said your truck was.

CEL? Tossed it in the trash.

If your gauges work now, they will work after the swap, provided you do it correctly. My 99 did not need a cam sensor adapter, every gauge works correctly. All my ECM does is AC stuff, alternator, etc.

FSS is wired to a key on, no pull cable crap, 100% turn key

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jlbayes · 08-17-2017, 03:05 PM

02 should be electronic cruise. No worky with pump swap unless you installed the vac cruise setup.

The only down sides are the lines, static timing, and the potential loss of cruise for some.

When I ppumped I only swapped out pumps. Did not change anything else. It hands down kicked the vps ass in driveability.

BigPapa · 08-17-2017, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Financial Mistake

Cruise will still work, if its vacuum operated cruise.

Not true, sir. The vacuum will work, the electronic will not.

I say go big or go home.....

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Financial Mistake · 08-17-2017, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BigPapa

Not true, sir. The vacuum will work, the electronic will not.

I say go big or go home.....

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I didn't say that it wouldn't?

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Financial Mistake · 08-17-2017, 04:44 PM

Fwiw, I "should" be in the high 600s/low 700 area, and static timing still doesn't bother me.

BUT, I don't tow, so there's that.

It's all very relative, solely depends on the end user. We can give pros and cons, arguments for and against, until we are blue in the face, but at the end of the day, only you can determine if it's something you like or not.

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paulb · 08-17-2017, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jlbayes

02 should be electronic cruise. No worky with pump swap unless you installed the vac cruise setup.

The only down sides are the lines, static timing, and the potential loss of cruise for some.

When I ppumped I only swapped out pumps. Did not change anything else. It hands down kicked the vps ass in driveability.

02 automatic should still be vacuum cruise. Late 02 manual I believe is electronic. My 02 is vacuum.

Paul

BigPapa · 08-17-2017, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Financial Mistake

I didn't say that it wouldn't?

You are correct. I didn't read and comprehend your post very well, did I?

Financial Mistake · 08-17-2017, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigPapa

You are correct. I didn't read and comprehend your post very well, did I?

These things happen lol

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Financial Mistake · 08-17-2017, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by paulb

02 automatic should still be vacuum cruise. Late 02 manual I believe is electronic. My 02 is vacuum.

Paul

Typical Dodge and their mix and match crap

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08-17-2017, 02:23 PM	#242
Financial Mistake Name: Financial Mistake Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2017 Member`s Gallery Posts: 278	Hard to beat the almost apocalypse proof p7100 in regards to no BS reliability. As far as power/performance goes, that's a can of worms that will never be settled. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ P24V, Billet 62/68/14, Billet 475/96/1.32, 27°, Seth's Stg 3 @ 450cc, dual feed, DFI 7x12, Fass240, 110#, 425, p&p/3 angle/oring, ED freeze plugs, BD IC, VP MAX boots, stainless mani, Snow w/m, coolant bypass, CTS2, EAS, POS NV4500, valair quiet dual ceramic

08-17-2017, 02:32 PM	#243
Financial Mistake Name: Financial Mistake Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2017 Member`s Gallery Posts: 278	hrvp finally dead pedaled Something else to consider... VE swap. Parts are a little harder to source, but can be had considerably cheaper. Don't need conversion lines. Not static timing. Easy starting even in moderately cold weather. Great MPG. Food for thought. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ P24V, Billet 62/68/14, Billet 475/96/1.32, 27°, Seth's Stg 3 @ 450cc, dual feed, DFI 7x12, Fass240, 110#, 425, p&p/3 angle/oring, ED freeze plugs, BD IC, VP MAX boots, stainless mani, Snow w/m, coolant bypass, CTS2, EAS, POS NV4500, valair quiet dual ceramic Last edited by Financial Mistake; 08-17-2017 at 02:34 PM.

08-17-2017, 02:34 PM	#244
dieselbeef Name: dieselbeef Title: dick doggin Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: myakka city florida Member`s Gallery Posts: 9,860	no no no...whats the downside of the ppump __________________ 02 quad cab 4x4 aluminum flatbed 63/68/14 hrvp INJ by weston 4.10 gorend/suncoast method race 01 2500 4x4 quad cab all stock/drag comp 07.5 3500 4x4 dually 4 dr 6.7 d&j extreme, fleece cheetah, gorend triple, cat filters, rip wrongway...

08-17-2017, 02:37 PM	#246
zfaylor Name: zfaylor Title: Comp Diesel Sponsor Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: P-TOWN!, Indiana Member`s Gallery Posts: 5,024	The lines. Conversion lines are far less reliable than any vp truck in my experiences. __________________ 2015 half ton heavy chevy 81 Fairmont LS project Many yard ornament projects... North American Turbo

08-17-2017, 02:40 PM	#247
dieselbeef Name: dieselbeef Title: dick doggin Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: myakka city florida Member`s Gallery Posts: 9,860	so whats really different from it being a 12v ..like in a 95..cept the 24v head I know..yes its aftermarket but isn't the 7100 pump the same cruise will work right the check engine light? on/or off? do away with my holley pusher pump. less electrical aftermarket crap..no more fuel guage problems either? or will it stay __________________ 02 quad cab 4x4 aluminum flatbed 63/68/14 hrvp INJ by weston 4.10 gorend/suncoast method race 01 2500 4x4 quad cab all stock/drag comp 07.5 3500 4x4 dually 4 dr 6.7 d&j extreme, fleece cheetah, gorend triple, cat filters, rip wrongway...

08-17-2017, 02:42 PM	#249
Financial Mistake Name: Financial Mistake Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2017 Member`s Gallery Posts: 278	Not really any downsides to the pump itself, aside from Static timing is kind of a bummer, but not really an issue on a sub 400hp daily. The swap is somewhat tedious, and can be intimidating to someone who isn't fairly well versed with this particular platform. Labor WILL get EXPENSIVE. Period. The thing is, it is a bit of a pointless swap unless you're looking for power. You're not looking for power, and the VP would absolutely do what you want the best. But... you have circumstances that have kinda made the VP less of a viable option... Idk. I don't want to tell you to swap it. But I don't want you to keep chasing your tail on this thing and wasting more money. Flip a coin I suppose. Swap it or sell it. That's what "I" would do. But seriously, look into a VE swap, that sounds like a good compromise for you. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ P24V, Billet 62/68/14, Billet 475/96/1.32, 27°, Seth's Stg 3 @ 450cc, dual feed, DFI 7x12, Fass240, 110#, 425, p&p/3 angle/oring, ED freeze plugs, BD IC, VP MAX boots, stainless mani, Snow w/m, coolant bypass, CTS2, EAS, POS NV4500, valair quiet dual ceramic

08-17-2017, 02:52 PM	#251
dieselbeef Name: dieselbeef Title: dick doggin Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: myakka city florida Member`s Gallery Posts: 9,860	the map sensor will no longer control the fueling on the truck tho __________________ 02 quad cab 4x4 aluminum flatbed 63/68/14 hrvp INJ by weston 4.10 gorend/suncoast method race 01 2500 4x4 quad cab all stock/drag comp 07.5 3500 4x4 dually 4 dr 6.7 d&j extreme, fleece cheetah, gorend triple, cat filters, rip wrongway...

08-17-2017, 02:53 PM	#252
Financial Mistake Name: Financial Mistake Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2017 Member`s Gallery Posts: 278	Cruise will still work, if its vacuum operated cruise. Can't remember what yr you said your truck was. CEL? Tossed it in the trash. If your gauges work now, they will work after the swap, provided you do it correctly. My 99 did not need a cam sensor adapter, every gauge works correctly. All my ECM does is AC stuff, alternator, etc. FSS is wired to a key on, no pull cable crap, 100% turn key Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ P24V, Billet 62/68/14, Billet 475/96/1.32, 27°, Seth's Stg 3 @ 450cc, dual feed, DFI 7x12, Fass240, 110#, 425, p&p/3 angle/oring, ED freeze plugs, BD IC, VP MAX boots, stainless mani, Snow w/m, coolant bypass, CTS2, EAS, POS NV4500, valair quiet dual ceramic

08-17-2017, 03:05 PM	#253
jlbayes Name: jlbayes Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: michigan Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,399	02 should be electronic cruise. No worky with pump swap unless you installed the vac cruise setup. The only down sides are the lines, static timing, and the potential loss of cruise for some. When I ppumped I only swapped out pumps. Did not change anything else. It hands down kicked the vps ass in driveability. __________________ Jacob, 97 rclb

08-17-2017, 04:44 PM	#256
Financial Mistake Name: Financial Mistake Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2017 Member`s Gallery Posts: 278	Fwiw, I "should" be in the high 600s/low 700 area, and static timing still doesn't bother me. BUT, I don't tow, so there's that. It's all very relative, solely depends on the end user. We can give pros and cons, arguments for and against, until we are blue in the face, but at the end of the day, only you can determine if it's something you like or not. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ P24V, Billet 62/68/14, Billet 475/96/1.32, 27°, Seth's Stg 3 @ 450cc, dual feed, DFI 7x12, Fass240, 110#, 425, p&p/3 angle/oring, ED freeze plugs, BD IC, VP MAX boots, stainless mani, Snow w/m, coolant bypass, CTS2, EAS, POS NV4500, valair quiet dual ceramic