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Old 03-21-2017, 09:03 PM   #12441
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Old 03-21-2017, 09:27 PM   #12442
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C18, Cyclone machine ductile iron liners with C rings. 2-HX82's that were SmokingCat's idea so it's his fault if they don't work. It's basically snowballed into a giant hole I've shoveled money in since November. It should move under its own power tomorrow. Then it's off to get deckplate bent and a few stainless panels. Then hopefully it can hook to a trailer and get the piss ran out of it.

Lots of potential bugs with a complete truck build. Stripped down and frame blasted and painted, hood repaint, new exhaust, front and rear bumpers, Hoge radius fenders, engine swap with everything Cummins related burned at the stake. New aluminum 5th wheel, complete drum to disk brake swap. There are very few parts on this truck that you could order off the VIN anymore.

Not to mention lots of shiny stuff. Click the image to open in full size.
If you would have hoarded those internal parts any longer I was thinking we were gonna have to get you on that TV show.
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:30 AM   #12443
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C18, Cyclone machine ductile iron liners with C rings. 2-HX82's that were SmokingCat's idea so it's his fault if they don't work. It's basically snowballed into a giant hole I've shoveled money in since November. It should move under its own power tomorrow. Then it's off to get deckplate bent and a few stainless panels. Then hopefully it can hook to a trailer and get the piss ran out of it.

Lots of potential bugs with a complete truck build. Stripped down and frame blasted and painted, hood repaint, new exhaust, front and rear bumpers, Hoge radius fenders, engine swap with everything Cummins related burned at the stake. New aluminum 5th wheel, complete drum to disk brake swap. There are very few parts on this truck that you could order off the VIN anymore.

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Why ductile liners? I heard they are hell on rings.
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:34 AM   #12444
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Because that is one of the few materials that will stand up to having a groove cut into it for a stainless fire ring.
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Old 03-22-2017, 07:16 AM   #12445
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If you would have hoarded those internal parts any longer I was thinking we were gonna have to get you on that TV show.


No kidding. Was kind of a job finding everything since it sat so long. Couldn't find the perfect transplant truck so was going to order a glider but finally found one close to what I wanted. Was going to drive it lastnight but put the wrong power steering pump on. Have to pay attention to those rotation arrows. Lol
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Old 03-22-2017, 10:15 AM   #12446
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For sale I have 2 Ingersoll-Rand Vane Air starting motors. Both these motors were used together to start a 20 cylinder Electro-Motive Diesel engine driven generator. They were used to start that engine a total of 4 times over a 2 year period. They were removed after a facility inventory showed the paper work for these starters had been lost. After that, they were removed and two replacement starters were purchased new. I believe they are 35hp each, and have a maximum inlet pressure of 200psi (see pics). These starters have re-manufactured labels on them from IR (see pics again). These are listed locally on CL Chicago. I have no idea what shipping would be, but these things are heavy and would much prefer to make another arrangement. Contact info is in the CL add so please ask me any questions you may have.
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Old 03-28-2017, 11:31 AM   #12447
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Old 04-04-2017, 12:49 PM   #12449
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Because that is one of the few materials that will stand up to having a groove cut into it for a stainless fire ring.
Are you thinning down the fire ring or keeping it the same thickness? Standard or dykes? I'm not even sure a dykes ring can be used on a diesel.
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Old 04-04-2017, 12:59 PM   #12450
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Are you thinning down the fire ring or keeping it the same thickness? Standard or dykes? I'm not even sure a dykes ring can be used on a diesel.


Not sure what your asking. The stock fire ring is cut from the OEM headgasket and the liners have groove cut for spring loaded sealing rings. Can't do this to stock liners because the flanges will crack. The question is if these will work in a road truck since the liners are potentially harder than the piston rings, time will tell.
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Old 04-04-2017, 01:13 PM   #12451
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Here's ye olde clunker

02 t800 powered by a bk60 12.7. Alpine green forever!

I've always wondered if it's worth or even possible to upgrade to the newer style monotherm one piece pistons.

Anyways it has an 8309 cam, 7650 injectors (might upgrade to 5915 or 7014).171701 borg warner with the 71mm inducer. I find it works better than the 75mm inducer, matches the operating range (1500 to 1700) of the motor and spools up faster than the larger turbo that everyone seems to use.

Leon smith tuned it but I took out fuel when I went to the smaller turbo. I also tightened the smoke maps some as I don't need as much to spool.

Has anyone here played with water methanol injection? I've looked in the software and have figured out a good way to have the ecm control everything.
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Old 04-04-2017, 01:13 PM   #12452
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Just because I'm ignorant, what application would ductile iron liners be used?

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Old 04-04-2017, 01:22 PM   #12453
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Not sure what your asking. The stock fire ring is cut from the OEM headgasket and the liners have groove cut for spring loaded sealing rings. Can't do this to stock liners because the flanges will crack. The question is if these will work in a road truck since the liners are potentially harder than the piston rings, time will tell.
I completely misread what you said and thought you were talking about the top ring in the piston. Thanks for the response though, cool stuff.

I'm pretty sure you need a stainless top ring or coated liners. The problem with coated liners is some can't withstand any sulfur at all.

So your liners are o ringed?

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Old 04-04-2017, 01:58 PM   #12454
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Just because I'm ignorant, what application would ductile iron liners be used?

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More like what application do you want to run a stainless top ring? Ductile iron liners usually follows. One application is extreme cylinder pressure and heat. Top fuel, or say some crazy guy building an insane c18.

The other application is where every hp counts. These guys want the thinnest lowest tension ring possible. Then they also have a dry sump and there's ways to modify the piston (gas ports) or rings (dykes rings). Think Nascar. No idea how well any of this works for diesels which is why I was asking. The tension is so low on these if you spun the engine over by hand you would swear there's no rings! Only when there's combustion do the rings push against the cylinder wall.

In the case of this guy's c18 im going to make some assumptions. First it's common with all high performance diesels to have head gasket issues. The fix involves running more than factory liner protrusion and making sure they're all the same. A real PITA. But it gets to the point where you're either cracking heads from too much protrusion or blowing head gaskets from not enough.

One option is to run an oring setup. But you can't do that with cast liners like the guy said earlier because they crack. So then you upgrade to ductile iron to handle the process. The added benefit is that ductile iron is harder. The liners are also spun cast so the grain is perfectly controlled unlike regular cast liners.

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Old 04-04-2017, 04:56 PM   #12455
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Here's ye olde clunker



02 t800 powered by a bk60 12.7. Alpine green forever!



I've always wondered if it's worth or even possible to upgrade to the newer style monotherm one piece pistons.



Anyways it has an 8309 cam, 7650 injectors (might upgrade to 5915 or 7014).171701 borg warner with the 71mm inducer. I find it works better than the 75mm inducer, matches the operating range (1500 to 1700) of the motor and spools up faster than the larger turbo that everyone seems to use.



Leon smith tuned it but I took out fuel when I went to the smaller turbo. I also tightened the smoke maps some as I don't need as much to spool.



Has anyone here played with water methanol injection? I've looked in the software and have figured out a good way to have the ecm control everything.


I would rather have monotherm Pistons than mess with water/meth. Water is just a crutch for alum skirts.
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Old 04-04-2017, 05:38 PM   #12456
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I would rather have monotherm Pistons than mess with water/meth. Water is just a crutch for alum skirts.
That's a good point but the pikes peak 2400 hp drinks a lot of booze. I remember reading they added 400 hp with it.


I know you can run a much tighter piston to wall. No idea if they would drop in or if they work with n2 injectors.

Any idea how much more they can be pushed? I don't like going over 1000 on the Pyro.
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Only seen one burnt ever and it was because of a bad injector. Seen several cracked but thats just Cummins junk. Seen one of my Cat's 1300+ in manifold and ran like that for years and have had no heat related marks when torn down. If you want cooler temps you need a bigger turbo or turbos. IMO If you need water injection that's not a workable power level. I wouldn't use pikes peak as a baseline for a work truck.
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The problem with going with a bigger turbo is its less efficient cruising on flat ground. Plus it sucks spooling when it's hot out. That's why I went from 75mm to 71mm. This current turbo works great most of the year. Also with the 75mm I had high egts just cruising on flat ground when it was hot out. I will have to check my notes but 800 sounds right.

I'm also thinking of doing a vnt. Not the egr 60 series ones though.
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Here's ye olde clunker



02 t800 powered by a bk60 12.7. Alpine green forever!



I've always wondered if it's worth or even possible to upgrade to the newer style monotherm one piece pistons.



Anyways it has an 8309 cam, 7650 injectors (might upgrade to 5915 or 7014).171701 borg warner with the 71mm inducer. I find it works better than the 75mm inducer, matches the operating range (1500 to 1700) of the motor and spools up faster than the larger turbo that everyone seems to use.



Leon smith tuned it but I took out fuel when I went to the smaller turbo. I also tightened the smoke maps some as I don't need as much to spool.



Has anyone here played with water methanol injection? I've looked in the software and have figured out a good way to have the ecm control everything.


Where you located Allan? In from Lundar.....

Just had my 94 w9 tuned by Erich at serious series 60 with fresh inframe. Having issues with smoke on startup can't seem to find the problem. But pulls good. No real mileage results yet. 4292 cam and 7915 injectors I put instead of stock


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The problem with going with a bigger turbo is its less efficient cruising on flat ground. Plus it sucks spooling when it's hot out. That's why I went from 75mm to 71mm. This current turbo works great most of the year. Also with the 75mm I had high egts just cruising on flat ground when it was hot out. I will have to check my notes but 800 sounds right.

I'm also thinking of doing a vnt. Not the egr 60 series ones though.


The 75 seems to be a good turbo for the Detroit. Not sure why you were having heat issues unless your gearing is wrong and your lugging it. Your referring to the 75/96 Borg with 1.32? I don't do a lot with Detroits but they seem to preform the same as the other smaller motors with that charger like the C12. I've just noticed some guys like to drive their 750hp+ trucks like a 450 and keep RPM low for fuel mileage. Then they wonder why they don't survive.
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