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Old 11-01-2017, 06:26 PM   #21
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Valid Point..... Yep those 4.1 on the tractors are proven in addition. You mean 3.6?
No I meant 3.0, most 3.0 smooth trucks are deck plated with 14mm pumps and aftermarket heads, no problem making 1800+++++ with a 4.1 charger.
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3.0 SB 1800HP I would like to see that.
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Old 11-01-2017, 06:33 PM   #23
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3.0 SB 1800HP I would like to see that.
Lol I didn't mean that, i meant take off the 3.0 smooth and bolt on a 4.1
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Old 11-01-2017, 07:11 PM   #24
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Old 11-01-2017, 07:39 PM   #25
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No I meant 3.0, most 3.0 smooth trucks are deck plated with 14mm pumps and aftermarket heads, no problem making 1800+++++ with a 4.1 charger.
We aren't aloud to run 14mm pumps.
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Old 11-01-2017, 08:01 PM   #26
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We aren't aloud to run 14mm pumps.
rule says limited to p7100 and nothing about plunger size.
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Old 11-01-2017, 08:36 PM   #27
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rule says limited to p7100 and nothing about plunger size.
Exactly. More power has been found in 7100s. The 16mm 7100 made more power than the 8600s. That's why you see some coming up for sale.
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Old 11-01-2017, 11:35 PM   #28
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Hopefully 3.0 stays as is. In your area if 3.0 started to allow gutted cabs and beds, spec fuel etc.. I think a lot of guys would leave the class and drop to 2.5 I personally like that there is a definite difference between 2.5/3.0/3.6. Some guys don't wanna deal with the rules of 2.5 but don't quite have the pocket book to run 3.6 which makes 3.0 a perfect option. Maybe ppl should look at other ways to revitalize 3.6 other then making the 3.0 a place for them to go. They needs to realize how the constant rules Changes effect all the class not just one.
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Old 11-02-2017, 10:36 AM   #29
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No I meant 3.0, most 3.0 smooth trucks are deck plated with 14mm pumps and aftermarket heads, no problem making 1800+++++ with a 4.1 charger.
It takes a lot more than 1800 to compete in the SS class. Our single charger super stock engines are making just over 2500 and I barley cracked the top ten at scheids. Don't get me wrong, they can be competitive on the right tracks, but driving a large single, with water on cuts is harder than most people think.
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Its even harder for Us D-Max owners...Should have some Videos Early/MID Feb 18. but the way things have been going for us More like March 18.
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It takes a lot more than 1800 to compete in the SS class. Our single charger super stock engines are making just over 2500 and I barley cracked the top ten at scheids. Don't get me wrong, they can be competitive on the right tracks, but driving a large single, with water on cuts is harder than most people think.

Sorry That's why I put the ++++++ in there. 4.1s on these motors now do a lot more than 1800. And yes on schieds , prob one of the better hp tracks of the year power shows. But look at some of the 3.6 trucks in top 5 this year on other tracks. They aren't always power tracks.
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Old 11-02-2017, 04:53 PM   #32
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Sorry That's why I put the ++++++ in there. 4.1s on these motors now do a lot more than 1800. And yes on schieds , prob one of the better hp tracks of the year power shows. But look at some of the 3.6 trucks in top 5 this year on other tracks. They aren't always power tracks.
I agree, we run into the same thing in our RWYB class. But at the end of the day driver and setup comes in to play. I don't think any class should exclude any puller that meets all the safety and class requirements, cause in the end that limits the growth of the class. And to the pullers complaining of the guys bumping up, they just need to figure out how to make their trucks work on all tracks just not power tracks, that's part of the game.
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Old 11-02-2017, 05:05 PM   #33
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I agree, we run into the same thing in our RWYB class. But at the end of the day driver and setup comes in to play. I don't think any class should exclude any puller that meets all the safety and class requirements, cause in the end that limits the growth of the class. And to the pullers complaining of the guys bumping up, they just need to figure out how to make their trucks work on all tracks just not power tracks, that's part of the game.

I agree. Them fussing about lower power trucks is kind of ridiculous. I'm like you it doesn't help the sport at all.

People just need to realize PPL doesn't care anything about the pullers at the end of the day. Why do you think rule changes happen? Sponors need to make money. All they care about is enough trucks to have a class. 8-10 and they are happy. The 40 truck hooks are a PITA.
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Old 11-02-2017, 06:16 PM   #34
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3.6 is on its way out.......the foundation is laid for only having one single charger odl class, and i'll be willing to bet that class fits neither of the existing turbos. spec fuel is a joke and allows plenty of room to cheat, there are some crafty dishonest mf's in and around this sport.
I 100% agree with this. It was pretty clear when they made the changes last year 3.6 was going to be on life support (going from 30+ trucks one year to 8 the next). I have been thinking for awhile now there was going to be a 2.6 SB-single tire, 3.0 SB ODL with duals, and a SS class.

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What I have asked , mainly because my truck is gutted and on dots, is why don't they let the gutted trucks run at 77-7800 and the others run 8000 or let us add 2-300 pounds like the old 3.0 used to do.

I think the reason it gets brought up is there are some 3.6 guys that still love pulling but hate having to travel 20k miles a year for 10 hooks. But without building another truck they have no other choice.
I also think this is a great idea.

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It takes a lot more than 1800 to compete in the SS class. Our single charger super stock engines are making just over 2500 and I barley cracked the top ten at scheids. Don't get me wrong, they can be competitive on the right tracks, but driving a large single, with water on cuts is harder than most people think.
I thought I recalled two trucks under 2500HP finishing in the top 4 each night. That track is more a HP track than some when some of the lowest HP trucks finished highest but there are also tracks where if you aren't 2800+ you forget about winning. In the end it all evens out and if you are in the 2300-2600 hp range with a decent driveable turbo set up you can compete all year long.

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I agree. Them fussing about lower power trucks is kind of ridiculous. I'm like you it doesn't help the sport at all.

People just need to realize PPL doesn't care anything about the pullers at the end of the day. Why do you think rule changes happen? Sponors need to make money. All they care about is enough trucks to have a class. 8-10 and they are happy. The 40 truck hooks are a PITA.
I would tend to agree that anymore than 15-18 trucks is tough but they certainly aren't trying to eliminate the 40-60 TWD, Gas 4x4, or Super farms I see at a lot of hooks. Talk about boring......
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Of all the rule changes Ive seen over the years in pulling. This one im for on the weight and gut the boxes. Spec fuel not so much. But will be interesting to see when our club meeting comes up
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What's sad is where are pretty much right back where we were 5 years ago, with the exception of the 3000+ hp ss trucks

2.5/2.6 smooth is the old 2.6 class. 9-1000hp+ air cooler on dots

3.0 smooth is the old 3.0 mwe air/water 1300hp+ gutted bed odl on dots

3.6 is basically ss power levels of that era, 1800hp+ on cut tires.

What have we gained by this? Not jack crap besides running a bunch of people off that started this sport because they got tired of the change. You see very few pullers today that have been around for longer than 3-4 years.
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When everyone think these proposed rules will go into effect? I need to start on a bed. Why not just gut the cab floor? Everyone's truck I seen last year as 80% of the inner cab structure gone now or a aluminum "tunnel" that takes up 1/2 of the floor. If 3.6 is dying out, why not let those guys come down a class with a 3.0 SB, and take the rules from each and make one class? So you would have 2.6, 3.0 and SS
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Power levels , tires, Block Type/size, head size length width height and fit Intake/exhaust will eventually dictate classes..restricted by turbo, Example 3.0 SB makes 1200-1400HP , 3.6 1600-1800HP, SS on 460CI 2300HP+ .Why are even discussing head type if its factory Size width, height, and fits factory accessories. Yes there Are advantages to (Big bud) heads at certain volume rates but 3.6,3.0 are Not, Factory spec's will produce the HP the turbo creates.

Why should costs or options dictate the rules, If a guy wants to spend $10K on D-Max/Cummins/Ford heads(s)and someone other owners are running X at $4K and working that's call freedom of choice. I here this form time to time its to costly, So I sell you 1 set of heads/head once every 10 years, that's too costly. Outside of freshening them up after XX+ hooks run. I need to stay in business for those next 10 years for Ya.
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What's sad is where are pretty much right back where we were 5 years ago, with the exception of the 3000+ hp ss trucks

2.5/2.6 smooth is the old 2.6 class. 9-1000hp+ air cooler on dots

3.0 smooth is the old 3.0 mwe air/water 1300hp+ gutted bed odl on dots

3.6 is basically ss power levels of that era, 1800hp+ on cut tires.

What have we gained by this? Not jack crap besides running a bunch of people off that started this sport because they got tired of the change. You see very few pullers today that have been around for longer than 3-4 years.
Agreed, I believe that's how it should stay, maybe if they left the rules alone for more then a year there would be more guys that stick around for longer then a few years.

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When everyone think these proposed rules will go into effect? I need to start on a bed. Why not just gut the cab floor? Everyone's truck I seen last year as 80% of the inner cab structure gone now or a aluminum "tunnel" that takes up 1/2 of the floor. If 3.6 is dying out, why not let those guys come down a class with a 3.0 SB, and take the rules from each and make one class? So you would have 2.6, 3.0 and SS
I'm all for gutting cabs and boxes I don't see an issue with that. I honestly think if 3.6 goes away there would be more guys moving up to SS then down from 3.6 to 3.0 I also think if you flood the 3.0 class with 3.6 trucks its going to chase some guys out that cant afford to keep up at that level.
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