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12-02-2017, 09:45 PM
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Name: 6.7l_clark
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Will there be any updates that will allow lockup tune per gear? That’s the only thing I find myself wishing I could still tune.
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Also interested in that too!
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12-02-2017, 10:21 PM
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I don't follow?
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12-03-2017, 09:38 AM
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Name: YOUNG GUNS15
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Old base tune on the ATS/PCS software. This would be awesome on the ant eater.
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12-03-2017, 12:55 PM
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Name: me78569
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If the anteater could command lock and unlock per gear I would have one.
There are serious gains to be had on a DD / tow truck by programmically locking 2nd, then unlock for the 2-3 shift and back to lock for 3rd and so forth.
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12-03-2017, 05:16 PM
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Name: 6.7l_clark
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Can someone guide me in the right direction with what to specifically adjust. The problem is down shifting from 4th gear to 3rd gear is hard.
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12-04-2017, 12:33 PM
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Name: joefarmer
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Keep in mind the Anteater does unlock for both 4-3 and 3-2 since it's a requirement of the OEM 47re VB.
Can you describe how complete control lockup would work?
Describe what happens at 20% constant TPS accelerating 0-80mph and 0% TPS decelerating from 80-0mph in the picture above.
Now describe what is happening at 20% TPS and 47mph then moving to 90% TPS and accelerating to 100mph.
Then describe 33% TPS at 58mph then 5% TPS dropping to 0mph.
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12-04-2017, 01:15 PM
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Name: me78569
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Anteater unlocks for the downshift only? or upshift and downshift automatically?
I know the trans can't downshift without unlocking so I am guessing it only does on downshift.
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12-04-2017, 02:19 PM
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Name: biggy238
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Downshift only
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12-04-2017, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 6.7l_clark
Can someone guide me in the right direction with what to specifically adjust. The problem is down shifting from 4th gear to 3rd gear is hard.
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Lower the mph on your 4-3 and see what happens
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12-04-2017, 05:03 PM
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Lower the mph on your 4-3 and see what happens
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Ok thanks I’ll give it a try
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12-05-2017, 08:28 AM
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I was having a hard time with that as well. Since the trans would downshift then hit lockup again. Made for a jerky deceleration, and if items in the bed weren’t secured they would be jarred loose and slide to the front. No fun.
The way I fixed it I tuned my 4-3 down shift to happen at 38mph, which is also under my lockup tune line at 20% throttle input, so it unlocks and grabs third unlocked. It won’t lock again until I get above 48-50mph at 20% throttle input.
I have a tuning question too since we are on the topic, why is it that the ant eater won’t command a downshift until my Motor starts to make an effort? My 3-2 downshift seems delayed and when it does decide to shift down its right in the middle of making torque so it hinders acceleration by dropping a gear then almost immediately shifting up again. Originally I thought this was because my 2-3 shift line was too flat and I had several values that were the same (for example, three 25mph upshifts at 40,50,and 60% throttle input). Now I have them spaced at least a couple mph to make a nice linear graph, but still has the same issue, just not as pronounced.
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12-05-2017, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by YOUNG GUNS15
I was having a hard time with that as well. Since the trans would downshift then hit lockup again. Made for a jerky deceleration, and if items in the bed weren’t secured they would be jarred loose and slide to the front. No fun.
The way I fixed it I tuned my 4-3 down shift to happen at 38mph, which is also under my lockup tune line at 20% throttle input, so it unlocks and grabs third unlocked. It won’t lock again until I get above 48-50mph at 20% throttle input.
I have a tuning question too since we are on the topic, why is it that the ant eater won’t command a downshift until my Motor starts to make an effort? My 3-2 downshift seems delayed and when it does decide to shift down its right in the middle of making torque so it hinders acceleration by dropping a gear then almost immediately shifting up again. Originally I thought this was because my 2-3 shift line was too flat and I had several values that were the same (for example, three 25mph upshifts at 40,50,and 60% throttle input). Now I have them spaced at least a couple mph to make a nice linear graph, but still has the same issue, just not as pronounced.
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Are you talking about coasting 3-2 (no/low throttle) or throttle tip-in to force hard acceleration?
At face value this sounds like a throttle valve setting symptom
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12-05-2017, 09:46 AM
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Are you talking about coasting 3-2 (no/low throttle) or throttle tip-in to force hard acceleration?
At face value this sounds like a throttle valve setting symptom
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What you’re calling throttle tip in.
So setting the tv higher would cause it to downshift faster when I get on the throttle, correct?
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12-06-2017, 06:48 AM
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Name: biggy238
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I think part of what you are sensing is the programmed time required for the hydraulics to complete the downshift.
Spend a little more time with it and see if you can get it dialed. I had atleast one tune that would break the tires loose on throttle induced downshifts for testing.
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01-07-2018, 10:10 AM
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Name: 6.7l_clark
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Just out of curiosity, what is Anti-Hunt Speed?
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01-07-2018, 02:59 PM
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Name: biggy238
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It keeps the controller from downshifting and then immediately trying to upshift again. If you look at most tunes, the 4-3 downshift usually occurs at a higher speed than where the 3-4upshift is programmed, so electronically there is an area where it could upshift and downshift repeatedly at the same wheel speed.
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01-07-2018, 04:46 PM
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Quote:
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It keeps the controller from downshifting and then immediately trying to upshift again. If you look at most tunes, the 4-3 downshift usually occurs at a higher speed than where the 3-4upshift is programmed, so electronically there is an area where it could upshift and downshift repeatedly at the same wheel speed.
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Ok thanks so keep it at 3?
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01-07-2018, 08:34 PM
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I never had a reason to change it
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02-08-2018, 08:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by YOUNG GUNS15
I was having a hard time with that as well. Since the trans would downshift then hit lockup again. Made for a jerky deceleration, and if items in the bed weren’t secured they would be jarred loose and slide to the front. No fun.
The way I fixed it I tuned my 4-3 down shift to happen at 38mph, which is also under my lockup tune line at 20% throttle input, so it unlocks and grabs third unlocked. It won’t lock again until I get above 48-50mph at 20% throttle input.
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I move the lockup at 0-10% throttle percentage up to above the OD table that way when you are slowing down (aka 0% throttle) it unlocks the converter and doesn't give those harsh down shifts.
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03-21-2018, 11:54 PM
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So I am having an issue here, really on the verge of calling it quits on the anteater, I’ve spent way too much time trying to clear up the 2-3 shuttle/ kick down problems. It seems like no matter what I try, there is a delay on kick down when I ask for about 35-50% throttle. Also if I’m towing it becomes even more aggravating because I’m commonly using 60% throttle to accelerate and I get a downshift right when I don’t need it, usually shortly after a 2-3 upshift, it waits a few seconds then tries to drop down again then immediately shifts up again, really annoying while towing.
Things I have tried:
-Adjusting TV lever from 50% to 100%
-Adjusted gov modifier from 35, up to 55, usually higher aggravates the problem.
-Tuning the ever loving crap out of my daily tune, I’ve got it to come a long way, but still acts stupid on the 2-3 shift in slight uphill conditions around town, and towing.
- changing the anti hunt mph anywhere from 4 to 20mph, still have yet to see it actually change something. Not entirely convinced it does anything.
- changing tps voltage min and max
- tuning 2-3 flat, also tried tuning 2-3 in an aggressive curve, which actually made the most positive difference.
All together, I loved this thing for how simple it was, but now running into problems where it just can’t control this trans well enough for what I use the truck for.
If I’ve missed something, I’m all ears. Would really prefer not to put a THIRD standalone trans controller on this truck.
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