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05-09-2013, 02:58 PM
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Name: wwm
Title: TO MANY TRUCKS
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97 12v valve build advice and opinions
97 12 valve eclb
190,000
building it for a best friend
it came with an ATS transmission (sorry) billet input and output
snow water/meth stage 2
ATS arc flow boost tube
4" SP exhaust
KDP fixed
boost gauge and egt gauge
okay so now what i plan to add
A1 H11 head studs
he351 over s475<(someone clarify what size i need)
CCP piping kit
CCP 5x16 or 7x14 (need input?)
mac plug
full cut DVs
no plate
cut afc foot
18* timing ? (need input)
columbus 5K springs
60 lb springs
will post a pic of the truck soon
for exterior mods and input
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06 CTD 4X4 2" Thuren, 35"s, ATP EFI Tuning, Firepunk Trans, Fass 150, Flux 4's, PPE dual feeders, springs, studs and twins (Steed mani, Tial wastegate and 62 over 80.
94 rclb no plate, 4ks, FC's, afc mods, Mack plug, Mack 64mm turbo, gauges, metal dash, 5" stacks
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05-09-2013, 03:41 PM
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Name: wwm
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repaint white maybe
tow mirrors painted white
black headlights
black grilll
paint white brake light bezels
remove the little pad on the tailgate(need some input on how to get the glue off)
roll pan (who do yall use or who do yall recomend)
lowering the back 1" (taking out the block)
black wheels of some kind or american force wheels
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06 CTD 4X4 2" Thuren, 35"s, ATP EFI Tuning, Firepunk Trans, Fass 150, Flux 4's, PPE dual feeders, springs, studs and twins (Steed mani, Tial wastegate and 62 over 80.
94 rclb no plate, 4ks, FC's, afc mods, Mack plug, Mack 64mm turbo, gauges, metal dash, 5" stacks
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05-09-2013, 03:43 PM
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Name: Smokem
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Power goal?
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05-09-2013, 03:44 PM
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Name: DDually
Title: Still spooling..
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What are his goals blah blah blah get all the bs questions answered first.
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1995 Cummins with almost no matching paint, 2 dents
2001 VW TDI South bend, tune, nozzys, custom stuff that's rusting, one custom thing that's not rusting
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05-09-2013, 03:52 PM
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Name: wwm
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650-700?
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06 CTD 4X4 2" Thuren, 35"s, ATP EFI Tuning, Firepunk Trans, Fass 150, Flux 4's, PPE dual feeders, springs, studs and twins (Steed mani, Tial wastegate and 62 over 80.
94 rclb no plate, 4ks, FC's, afc mods, Mack plug, Mack 64mm turbo, gauges, metal dash, 5" stacks
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05-09-2013, 04:05 PM
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Name: Smokem
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Lose the HE351, what kind of budget?
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05-09-2013, 04:15 PM
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Name: wwm
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semi low what would you recomend?
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06 CTD 4X4 2" Thuren, 35"s, ATP EFI Tuning, Firepunk Trans, Fass 150, Flux 4's, PPE dual feeders, springs, studs and twins (Steed mani, Tial wastegate and 62 over 80.
94 rclb no plate, 4ks, FC's, afc mods, Mack plug, Mack 64mm turbo, gauges, metal dash, 5" stacks
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05-09-2013, 11:27 PM
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Name: Cross95
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I would get Haisley 5k springs instead of Columbus, they are easier to set. But otherwise listen to Weston, he'll point you in the right direction.
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5x14s, 5kgsk, 21*, 100 plate, 035dv, shimed rack plug, 62/68/.88 s300 billet wheel and race cover.
1991 VW Jetta 1.6L TDI
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05-09-2013, 11:38 PM
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Name: YOUNG GUNS15
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Originally Posted by Smokem
Lose the HE351, what kind of budget?
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I'm surprised you didn't catch the full cuts first. Just send more business to the guy selling turbos. Lol
He351 and a ht4c have made 750hp, just lookup the junker drag truck thread. And on a budget I wouldn't hesitate to use the 351. 400 bucks vs 1400 bucks on a drop in s300.
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-1994 4x4 12 valve 13mm, single 475 748/1292 Fuel 872/1470 N2O
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05-09-2013, 11:42 PM
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Name: AHall
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Originally Posted by YOUNG GUNS15
I'm surprised you didn't catch the full cuts first. Just send more business to the guy selling turbos. Lol
He351 and a ht4c have made 750hp, just lookup the junker drag truck thread. And on a budget I wouldn't hesitate to use the 351. 400 bucks vs 1400 bucks on a drop in s300.
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You mean the 7/14s.
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05-10-2013, 02:41 AM
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Name: wwm
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Yeah I can get a 351 for like 300 bucks on eBay and its already a gated turbo lol and I'm getting the s475 pretty cheap too
What about 7/14s?
Thanks cross ill do haisleys 5ks instead
Does everything else seem to be in pretty good order ?
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06 CTD 4X4 2" Thuren, 35"s, ATP EFI Tuning, Firepunk Trans, Fass 150, Flux 4's, PPE dual feeders, springs, studs and twins (Steed mani, Tial wastegate and 62 over 80.
94 rclb no plate, 4ks, FC's, afc mods, Mack plug, Mack 64mm turbo, gauges, metal dash, 5" stacks
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05-10-2013, 02:49 AM
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Name: wwm
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Quick question what's the difference between haisleys 5ks and Columbus'?
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06 CTD 4X4 2" Thuren, 35"s, ATP EFI Tuning, Firepunk Trans, Fass 150, Flux 4's, PPE dual feeders, springs, studs and twins (Steed mani, Tial wastegate and 62 over 80.
94 rclb no plate, 4ks, FC's, afc mods, Mack plug, Mack 64mm turbo, gauges, metal dash, 5" stacks
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05-10-2013, 09:41 AM
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Name: YOUNG GUNS15
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Don't cut the Afc foot, ditch the full cuts, stick with the 5x.016's. I've got some delivery valves I'll sell ya dirt cheap to help keep on your budget theme.
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-1994 4x4 12 valve 13mm, single 475 748/1292 Fuel 872/1470 N2O
-2005 4x4 12 valve CCSB 3rd gen '12-rail' 280hp
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05-10-2013, 10:50 AM
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Name: Smokem
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Originally Posted by YOUNG GUNS15
Just send more business to the guy selling turbos.
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Ron Allen and I have discussed on several occasions how people using the HE351 try so hard to make good power, but often come up short. I guess some people will never realize that the HE351 is just a bottleneck in a system that desires flow. The "butt dyno" is an interesting thing, but the real world results are often quite the opposite.
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05-10-2013, 11:25 AM
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Name: Cross95
Title: Golden Eye
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smokem
The "butt dyno" is an interesting thing, but the real world results are often quite the opposite.
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I've heard Ryan say this exact thing a hundred times Weston lol
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1995 RCLB
5x14s, 5kgsk, 21*, 100 plate, 035dv, shimed rack plug, 62/68/.88 s300 billet wheel and race cover.
1991 VW Jetta 1.6L TDI
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05-10-2013, 11:45 AM
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Name: wwm
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So y'all are saying with a different secondary you will get a more butt in seat feeling ?
What is usually the end result horsepower with the 351?
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06 CTD 4X4 2" Thuren, 35"s, ATP EFI Tuning, Firepunk Trans, Fass 150, Flux 4's, PPE dual feeders, springs, studs and twins (Steed mani, Tial wastegate and 62 over 80.
94 rclb no plate, 4ks, FC's, afc mods, Mack plug, Mack 64mm turbo, gauges, metal dash, 5" stacks
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05-10-2013, 02:59 PM
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Name: wwm
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My buddy has a twin setup for his 24v it's a dtec 62 over s475 he has for sale what might I have to build/modify for them to work
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06 CTD 4X4 2" Thuren, 35"s, ATP EFI Tuning, Firepunk Trans, Fass 150, Flux 4's, PPE dual feeders, springs, studs and twins (Steed mani, Tial wastegate and 62 over 80.
94 rclb no plate, 4ks, FC's, afc mods, Mack plug, Mack 64mm turbo, gauges, metal dash, 5" stacks
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05-10-2013, 09:15 PM
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Name: wwm
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come on guys throw on some BS opinnions lol
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06 CTD 4X4 2" Thuren, 35"s, ATP EFI Tuning, Firepunk Trans, Fass 150, Flux 4's, PPE dual feeders, springs, studs and twins (Steed mani, Tial wastegate and 62 over 80.
94 rclb no plate, 4ks, FC's, afc mods, Mack plug, Mack 64mm turbo, gauges, metal dash, 5" stacks
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05-10-2013, 09:24 PM
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Name: SHughes
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Originally Posted by Smokem
Ron Allen and I have discussed on several occasions how people using the HE351 try so hard to make good power, but often come up short. I guess some people will never realize that the HE351 is just a bottleneck in a system that desires flow. The "butt dyno" is an interesting thing, but the real world results are often quite the opposite.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wwm
come on guys throw on some BS opinnions lol
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I like bottle necks...preferably at the top of a beer, but a soda works too at times, but not as good as a good scotch.
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That statement just reduced the collective IQ of the entire forum.
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05-10-2013, 09:24 PM
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Name: AHall
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wwm
So y'all are saying with a different secondary you will get a more butt in seat feeling ?
What is usually the end result horsepower with the 351?
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Don't run a dtec. Lower your power goal if you want a tiny secondary.
End result hp of 351 is pretty broad question.
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