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11-02-2014, 09:55 AM
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Name: cetaneaddict
Title: Causing my own headaches
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No start/ no run
Bought a 94 12 valve auto as my winter beater. The guy I bought it from has no clue what happened. He thought the timing slipped so he tried adjusting the timing. It turns over it doesn't fire. You give it a small shot of ether it will run then die. Injection pump is bone stock all of the tamper proofing is still intact. First thing I did was check the timing it was set at 4.0mm so I adjusted it to 6.3mm = 15.5* now you give it a small shot of ether it will run for about 10 seconds and its slowly dieing out. Today I'm am going to install a fuel pressure gauge just to verify that it's good. Here's what else I've checked/done
Doesn't seem like any serious blow by
Fuel is at the injectors
Swapped out with good stock injectors
New fuel filter
New ofv
FSS Zip tied up
Runs on ether
Swapped out lift pumps
When running on ether seems like it kind of runs on its own and slowly dies out,
Cloud of white smoke smells like unburnt fuel
I'm lost what else could it be?
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If I go "toe-to-toe" with 90% of people...I'd be looking at their tits and punching them in the stomach, not the face.
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11-02-2014, 11:04 AM
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Name: 97rada
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No start/ no run
Sound like it has compression ? Check compression? That and making sure it's getting good fuel.
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toy truck -94 rclb auto- 5.2x with a lot left. Shooting for 4s
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11-02-2014, 11:32 AM
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Name: YOUNG GUNS15
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No start/ no run
Check fuel heater/delete it
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-1994 4x4 12 valve 13mm, single 475 748/1292 Fuel 872/1470 N2O
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11-02-2014, 11:32 AM
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Name: 95cummins5.9
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Take a rag and air gun to the tank while having someone crank with only the #1 injector line open. If there's any leaks from the tank forwars you'll find them and it will help bleed air.
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11-02-2014, 11:48 AM
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Name: Hammer
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Sounds like air in the system and with the age of the truck I would check all the lines,including the one from the p-pump return.
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11-02-2014, 03:49 PM
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Name: cetaneaddict
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So I pressurized the fuel tank and had someone turn it over with injector #1 open. It kind of stumbled. Then after a few more times and wouldn't even try to start. Tomorrow I'm going to hook in the feed line of the lift pump and run a 5 gallon bucket of fuel do it. If that doesn't work I will do a compression test. What should the compression be in psi? If both compression checks out and it's getting direct fuel what else could it be?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4x4dually
If I go "toe-to-toe" with 90% of people...I'd be looking at their tits and punching them in the stomach, not the face.
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11-02-2014, 03:51 PM
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Name: 95cummins5.9
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Timing
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11-02-2014, 04:00 PM
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Name: cetaneaddict
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I know the timing is good. I pinned the cam gear. Marked the Dampner rolled the motor counter clock wise found the lowest point on the indicator. Set it at 0. Then brought it to the line on the Dampner. And it was at 4.0mm I then adjusted it to 6.3 triple checked it. 6.3
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11-02-2014, 04:06 PM
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Name: Scooter's Roofing
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sucking air from the soft lines or heater bowl
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that's pretty much all of it
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11-02-2014, 04:34 PM
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Name: 95cummins5.9
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when you pressurized the tank you didn't see any leaks?
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11-02-2014, 04:45 PM
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Name: cetaneaddict
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Didn't see any leaks. Around 60-80 psi to the tank.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4x4dually
If I go "toe-to-toe" with 90% of people...I'd be looking at their tits and punching them in the stomach, not the face.
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11-02-2014, 07:09 PM
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Name: cetaneaddict
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Mike I know you will be watching this. I just wanted to say thank you again for giving me ideas for 45 mins while I worked on the damn thing.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4x4dually
If I go "toe-to-toe" with 90% of people...I'd be looking at their tits and punching them in the stomach, not the face.
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11-02-2014, 07:31 PM
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Name: madmikeismad
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Lol it's cool. I wish I was home to help. I really want to figure it out.
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11-02-2014, 07:37 PM
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Name: 95cummins5.9
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Swapped out lift pump to a new lift pump?
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11-02-2014, 08:03 PM
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Name: cetaneaddict
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Mike- I owe you some beers. Let me know when you are coming to NY to visit. I'll hook you up with some maple syrup too.
95cummins5.9- not a new lift pump, but one that came off of my 98 before I put a fass system on it. I got to the point were I started throwing parts at it because I was aggervated.
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05 5.9
02 f350
01 f250
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4x4dually
If I go "toe-to-toe" with 90% of people...I'd be looking at their tits and punching them in the stomach, not the face.
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11-02-2014, 08:06 PM
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Name: 95cummins5.9
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Are you getting a good shot of fuel with that one injector line open while trying to start?
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11-02-2014, 08:28 PM
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Name: DISTURBED
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Shut off solenoid
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Thanks, Jeremy
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11-02-2014, 08:35 PM
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Name: 95cummins5.9
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He said he zip tied it up.. I suppose if someone took the shutoff lever off the pump and lost the small woodruff key. Possible it isn't turning enough.
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11-02-2014, 08:40 PM
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Name: madmikeismad
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The truck and pump was a virgin, doubt the lever was ever removed. He is getting fuel at every injector, we just aren't sure if it's enough to pop them.
When he checks compression, what numbers should he see?
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11-02-2014, 08:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 95cummins5.9
He said he zip tied it up.. I suppose if someone took the shutoff lever off the pump and lost the small woodruff key. Possible it isn't turning enough.
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I missed the abbreviation. But was it zip tied with the solenoid still on the lever or was it removed and the lever tied up?
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