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Old 10-30-2015, 10:24 AM   #1
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P-Pumping my 2000 for dependability, economy, peace of mind, and yes, because it is C

I am about to start on a journey to make my 2000 a reliable DD.

The parts I have gathered so far.
• Complete 1996 auto doner truck. 180 pump that the PO said has been modified by his brother who owned the truck before him. I heard this truck run.
• Complete engine – believed to be 1994 or 5. Did not hear this run. The owner bought it for a conversion project but sold it to finance his other play toys. He had many!!!
• Set of .078 lines and a left side restrictor on the way from CPP.

1st up is to verify the pump models and decide which one to use. I think the 160 is untouched.

As the title of this thread states, I am looking for dependability and economy so the 160 should be fine. I need to contact Seth.

Stay tuned for lots of questions.
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Old 11-03-2015, 01:09 PM   #2
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I personally would run the 180 pump, the 160 has a very lazy cam.
 
Old 11-03-2015, 01:47 PM   #3
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If dependability, economy, and peace of mind are your goals, just rebuild one of the dammed 12V's, put it in, and call it a day.
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Old 11-03-2015, 02:00 PM   #4
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If dependability, economy, and peace of mind are your goals, just rebuild one of the dammed 12V's, put it in, and call it a day.
Can't agree more. I've done both swaps on my personal truck. Swapping the whole 12v engine is the way to go.
 
Old 11-03-2015, 02:25 PM   #5
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Not having done a full 12v swap, I'd have to agree.
 
Old 11-03-2015, 05:19 PM   #6
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Bunch of azzhole dream crushers.
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Old 11-03-2015, 07:34 PM   #7
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1.5 years of running a p24v for daily and it is not what I would call dependable.
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Old 11-03-2015, 08:04 PM   #8
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1.5 years of running a p24v for daily and it is not what I would call dependable.
Other than a couple leaky lines, I never really had any issues with mine as a DD. It was as reliable as my 12v. That being said, I'd still swap in a 12v instead of p-pumping a 24v. Gonna be cheaper over all.
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Old 11-04-2015, 09:18 AM   #9
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1.5 years of running a p24v for daily and it is not what I would call dependable.
Agreed, fuel efficient isn't a term I'd use either.
 
Old 11-04-2015, 09:40 AM   #10
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Agreed, fuel efficient isn't a term I'd use either.
mines no worse than the vp was.
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Old 11-04-2015, 09:54 AM   #11
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160 pump is not the pump to use if you are after dependability.

I have had 2. 2! go bad on separate trucks with good fuel pressure.

24v conversion lines aren't my idea of a dependable setup either.

I liked my ppump 24v but it wasn't my idea of a dead nuts dependable setup.

12v or just stick with the VP and spend the money on a damn good lift pump setup and call it a day are my advice on a dependable 2nd gen.
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Old 11-04-2015, 12:12 PM   #12
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I get 17 on the hwy with my ton truck. I got the afc very conservative.
I didn't do the p pump I bought this way but if I was going to do I would go to a ve pump and a piston lift pump. that's my idea of reliable lol
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Old 11-04-2015, 07:28 PM   #13
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My vp did as good as 20.5 cruise set at 65, set up for about 650hp, after going p pump best was about 16
 
Old 11-04-2015, 07:47 PM   #14
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I didn't do the p pump I bought this way but if I was going to do I would go to a ve pump and a piston lift pump. that's my idea of reliable lol
there have been a few that did a ve 24 valve and loved them, if I weren't so addicted to horsepower I'd do that as well.
 
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My vp did as good as 20.5 cruise set at 65, set up for about 650hp, after going p pump best was about 16
15mpg between the both of them. the set up is not conservative at all nor is my driving style.
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Old 11-05-2015, 10:44 AM   #16
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it depends how you set your p-pump up, my 99 is averaging 19.5-20.5 just as i got with my vp setup

160 pump, 4gsk, 7x.009 injectors @ 290 bar, hamilton cam, stock hx-35, custom ground fuel plate.

i keep her dialed back most of the time, do a decent amount of towing, have put about 25000 miles on it so far, been very happy with the build, other than it cracked my 53 block playing aorund with no plate and mack plug..... hah
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Old 11-09-2015, 07:47 AM   #17
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Thanks for the comments everyone.

I am finishing up on the master bathroom remodel so have not done anything with the truck yet.

I am also using this time to gather parts for a timing kit. I have dial indicators. I will make a holder for it and a gear puller.

I have not talked to Seth yet but do you think I should get him to set the pin timing to something other than stock? Most people run advanced timing so I was thinking this would save me some trouble.

What makes the 160 less dependable then the 180? I thought they were basically the same pump.

I wanted to save the 180 for later. I plan on building the doner truck’s 47RE to take additional HP, then add the 180.

C.J.
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Old 11-13-2015, 01:46 PM   #18
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Some of the 160 pumps ended up warping barrels and sticking
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Old 01-15-2016, 04:34 PM   #19
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I basically did what you are wanting to do, I p pumped my 2002 truck after it had eaten 5 VP's. Had I known what I do now, I would of just swapped a 12V motor into the truck. My reason for saying this is that these conversion lines are horrible to deal with. I got my mild steel .084 lines from CPP, and they seem to be the best fit according to a lot of people, and they are still crazy hard to get installed. I actually had to put a hose clamp on several of the lines at the p pump to pull them together closer so I could get then screwed on to the DV holders. I have added every single clamp that I had from the VP lines, and I am still trying to fab up a clamp that bolts to the block. I barely even have 500 miles on my conversion yet, but have really had to get use to the way it drives. Don't get me wrong, I love the power, but if you have a manual tranny it'll take some getting use to since you're ECM is no longer giving you the assisted take off when you let the clutch out. I am still fixing minor leaks here and there, but hopefully will have a reliable set up at some point. I have spent a lot of time on this truck since I have owned it and hopefully that is coming to an end. My wife even joked with me about being married to my truck because I spend so much time with it.......I replied, my truck would make a GREAT wife, she goes down on me all the time!!!...ha ha. Good luck with your conversion!
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