Help! Having p pump problems! - Competition Diesel.Com

bad ass ram · 01-09-2016, 04:25 PM

So,I have an 02 24v with a p pump. I bought the truck with the pump already on it. I love it, and it's always run and driven beautiful! Well,a few days ago,I was cruising along, and the governor flew apart, and busted the gov housing. So,I pulled it, and had a local guy rebuild the governor, and put it back together. Now, I can't it to run right. I have set the timing twice, to what I thought was 24*, but, when it starts, it blows an enormous amount of white smoke, and smells like raw fuel! The only thing that I know of that changed in the pump, was a set of 191 dv's. The mods are as follows;

160hp p pump, 191's, 4,000 gsk, mack rack plug, no plate, afc mods, 200hp injectors, fass 150gph titanium lift pump, s366 turbo, that gets me about 65psi, ptc triple disk billet converter, and all red eagle trans.

It ran so good before, I'm hoping it may be as simple as the timing being retarded.

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stubz616 · 01-09-2016, 04:27 PM

How are you setting the timing?

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95cummins5.9 · 01-09-2016, 04:29 PM

It's the timing. Good luck. Read up there is plenty of info on how to time it if you search. Use drop valve method to find TDC and go from there.

bad ass ram · 01-09-2016, 04:48 PM

I rotated the motor, till both valves were closed, and pulled the injector, and stick a rod in there. Rotated it and made a mark in both directions, when the piston started to drop, and then marked it in the middle, for tdc. The pump,I rotated the motor, with an indicator on the #1 plunger, watched it drop, and when it stopped, zeroed the indicator and then busted the pump gear loose. Then rotated the motor back to my tdc mark, and then tightened the gear back up.

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bad ass ram · 01-09-2016, 04:49 PM

And am I right in thinking it would be retarded?

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95cummins5.9 · 01-09-2016, 04:55 PM

You need to set the plunger in the pump at a set number not bottom it out. Google the p pump timing chart.

95cummins5.9 · 01-09-2016, 05:02 PM

12 valve Cummins timing in 40 minutes part 1.mp4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8U7QC_hpE

bad ass ram · 01-09-2016, 05:31 PM

I only bottomed the #1 plunger out, to zero the indicator. Then, I went by the chart, and went to, .244 of plunger lift. Is that not correct? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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bad ass ram · 01-09-2016, 05:35 PM

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95cummins5.9 · 01-09-2016, 05:44 PM

That's correct. Must off with TDC or it slipped.

bad ass ram · 01-09-2016, 05:58 PM

I know what I did!I don't know why,but, I think what I did, is this. I was rolling the pump, by the crank, in reverse, to bottom the plunger out. When I zeroed the indicator out, and got back under the truck, I'm almost positive when I turned it according to the chart, I'm pretty sure I rotated it forward! Which would regard the pump! Right?

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bad ass ram · 01-09-2016, 06:18 PM

Retard the pump. Sorry.

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gman99 · 01-10-2016, 09:58 AM

Yep the would be 24 degrees retarded. Pretty easy mistake to make your first time honestly.

bad ass ram · 01-10-2016, 11:16 AM

Well, maybe I shouldn't admit it, lol, but, it's not my first time. It has been a while,I guess I just got in a hurry, and wasn't thinking.

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bad ass ram · 01-10-2016, 11:22 AM

So, what are y'alls preferred methods? Rolling the motor forward, till it bottoms out, and then forward more? Or, starting by rolling the motor backwards?

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Tate · 01-10-2016, 02:55 PM

Doesn't matter which direction you go to get to the base circle on the pump. You just have to turn it clockwise when you go from base circle to desired plunger lift. Then you can turn the the engine in any direction to get back to #1 compression TDC. Just make sure you you are going clockwise when you stop on the mark to remove the lash in the gears.

01-09-2016, 04:27 PM	#2
stubz616 Name: stubz616 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brewster, MA Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,327	How are you setting the timing? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 95 RCLB Farrell Diesel Stage 5 13mm pump,Hamilton Springs,Retainers,Pushrods,Fluidampr,Steed Speed,S467.7/soon to be S488 atmo,Full Billet Trans,DPC 4 disk TC,BD Pressure Loc,Haley Speed 5x.022s,Diesel Pros Custom Cam,O-Ringed,.010 over HG,A1000,Hellman sump,625 Studs, 30*

01-09-2016, 04:48 PM	#4
bad ass ram Name: bad ass ram Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2010 Member`s Gallery Posts: 67	I rotated the motor, till both valves were closed, and pulled the injector, and stick a rod in there. Rotated it and made a mark in both directions, when the piston started to drop, and then marked it in the middle, for tdc. The pump,I rotated the motor, with an indicator on the #1 plunger, watched it drop, and when it stopped, zeroed the indicator and then busted the pump gear loose. Then rotated the motor back to my tdc mark, and then tightened the gear back up. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk __________________ 2002 24 valve, 160hp p pump, mack rack plug, 191dv's, 4,000gsk, no fuel plate, afc mods, 200hp(7x12) fuel injectors, fass 150gph titanium lift pump, s366 turbo(65psi), ptc triple disk billet converter, all red eagle 47re, with valve body

01-09-2016, 04:49 PM	#5
bad ass ram Name: bad ass ram Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2010 Member`s Gallery Posts: 67	And am I right in thinking it would be retarded? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk __________________ 2002 24 valve, 160hp p pump, mack rack plug, 191dv's, 4,000gsk, no fuel plate, afc mods, 200hp(7x12) fuel injectors, fass 150gph titanium lift pump, s366 turbo(65psi), ptc triple disk billet converter, all red eagle 47re, with valve body

01-09-2016, 05:31 PM	#8
bad ass ram Name: bad ass ram Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2010 Member`s Gallery Posts: 67	I only bottomed the #1 plunger out, to zero the indicator. Then, I went by the chart, and went to, .244 of plunger lift. Is that not correct? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk __________________ 2002 24 valve, 160hp p pump, mack rack plug, 191dv's, 4,000gsk, no fuel plate, afc mods, 200hp(7x12) fuel injectors, fass 150gph titanium lift pump, s366 turbo(65psi), ptc triple disk billet converter, all red eagle 47re, with valve body

01-09-2016, 05:35 PM	#9
bad ass ram Name: bad ass ram Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2010 Member`s Gallery Posts: 67	uploadfromtaptalk1452382455455.jpg Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk __________________ 2002 24 valve, 160hp p pump, mack rack plug, 191dv's, 4,000gsk, no fuel plate, afc mods, 200hp(7x12) fuel injectors, fass 150gph titanium lift pump, s366 turbo(65psi), ptc triple disk billet converter, all red eagle 47re, with valve body

01-09-2016, 04:25 PM	#1
bad ass ram Name: bad ass ram Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2010 Member`s Gallery Posts: 67	Help! Having p pump problems! So,I have an 02 24v with a p pump. I bought the truck with the pump already on it. I love it, and it's always run and driven beautiful! Well,a few days ago,I was cruising along, and the governor flew apart, and busted the gov housing. So,I pulled it, and had a local guy rebuild the governor, and put it back together. Now, I can't it to run right. I have set the timing twice, to what I thought was 24*, but, when it starts, it blows an enormous amount of white smoke, and smells like raw fuel! The only thing that I know of that changed in the pump, was a set of 191 dv's. The mods are as follows; 160hp p pump, 191's, 4,000 gsk, mack rack plug, no plate, afc mods, 200hp injectors, fass 150gph titanium lift pump, s366 turbo, that gets me about 65psi, ptc triple disk billet converter, and all red eagle trans. It ran so good before, I'm hoping it may be as simple as the timing being retarded. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk __________________ 2002 24 valve, 160hp p pump, mack rack plug, 191dv's, 4,000gsk, no fuel plate, afc mods, 200hp(7x12) fuel injectors, fass 150gph titanium lift pump, s366 turbo(65psi), ptc triple disk billet converter, all red eagle 47re, with valve body

01-09-2016, 04:29 PM	#3
95cummins5.9 Name: 95cummins5.9 Title: Old man *** gossiper Status: Here Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: U.S.A Member`s Gallery Posts:** 4,720	It's the timing. Good luck. Read up there is plenty of info on how to time it if you search. Use drop valve method to find TDC and go from there.

01-09-2016, 04:55 PM	#6
95cummins5.9 Name: 95cummins5.9 Title: Old man *** gossiper Status: Here Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: U.S.A Member`s Gallery Posts:** 4,720	You need to set the plunger in the pump at a set number not bottom it out. Google the p pump timing chart.

01-09-2016, 05:02 PM	#7
95cummins5.9 Name: 95cummins5.9 Title: Old man *** gossiper Status: Here Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: U.S.A Member`s Gallery Posts:** 4,720	12 valve Cummins timing in 40 minutes part 1.mp4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8U7QC_hpE

01-09-2016, 05:44 PM	#10
95cummins5.9 Name: 95cummins5.9 Title: Old man *** gossiper Status: Here Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: U.S.A Member`s Gallery Posts:** 4,720	That's correct. Must off with TDC or it slipped.

01-09-2016, 05:58 PM	#11
bad ass ram Name: bad ass ram Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2010 Member`s Gallery Posts: 67	I know what I did!I don't know why,but, I think what I did, is this. I was rolling the pump, by the crank, in reverse, to bottom the plunger out. When I zeroed the indicator out, and got back under the truck, I'm almost positive when I turned it according to the chart, I'm pretty sure I rotated it forward! Which would regard the pump! Right? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk __________________ 2002 24 valve, 160hp p pump, mack rack plug, 191dv's, 4,000gsk, no fuel plate, afc mods, 200hp(7x12) fuel injectors, fass 150gph titanium lift pump, s366 turbo(65psi), ptc triple disk billet converter, all red eagle 47re, with valve body

01-09-2016, 06:18 PM	#12
bad ass ram Name: bad ass ram Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2010 Member`s Gallery Posts: 67	Retard the pump. Sorry. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk __________________ 2002 24 valve, 160hp p pump, mack rack plug, 191dv's, 4,000gsk, no fuel plate, afc mods, 200hp(7x12) fuel injectors, fass 150gph titanium lift pump, s366 turbo(65psi), ptc triple disk billet converter, all red eagle 47re, with valve body

01-10-2016, 09:58 AM	#13
gman99 Name: gman99 Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2012 Member`s Gallery Posts: 224	Yep the would be 24 degrees retarded. Pretty easy mistake to make your first time honestly. __________________ 98 QCLB 4x4 12V, ARP625+ Studs, 14mm mains NonIC pistons, Ported head, Marine Cam, Hamilton Pushrods and Tappets, BeeHive springs HE351cw over Billet S475, 4KGSK, 5X.018's, 7mm DV's, 24 Degrees Timing, 5" Exhaust, TCS Input, DPC Converter, Firepunk Competition Rebuild Kit

01-10-2016, 11:16 AM	#14
bad ass ram Name: bad ass ram Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2010 Member`s Gallery Posts: 67	Well, maybe I shouldn't admit it, lol, but, it's not my first time. It has been a while,I guess I just got in a hurry, and wasn't thinking. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk __________________ 2002 24 valve, 160hp p pump, mack rack plug, 191dv's, 4,000gsk, no fuel plate, afc mods, 200hp(7x12) fuel injectors, fass 150gph titanium lift pump, s366 turbo(65psi), ptc triple disk billet converter, all red eagle 47re, with valve body

01-10-2016, 11:22 AM	#15
bad ass ram Name: bad ass ram Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2010 Member`s Gallery Posts: 67	So, what are y'alls preferred methods? Rolling the motor forward, till it bottoms out, and then forward more? Or, starting by rolling the motor backwards? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk __________________ 2002 24 valve, 160hp p pump, mack rack plug, 191dv's, 4,000gsk, no fuel plate, afc mods, 200hp(7x12) fuel injectors, fass 150gph titanium lift pump, s366 turbo(65psi), ptc triple disk billet converter, all red eagle 47re, with valve body

01-10-2016, 02:55 PM	#16
Tate Name: Tate Title: What? Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Airdrie, Alberta Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,419	Doesn't matter which direction you go to get to the base circle on the pump. You just have to turn it clockwise when you go from base circle to desired plunger lift. Then you can turn the the engine in any direction to get back to #1 compression TDC. Just make sure you you are going clockwise when you stop on the mark to remove the lash in the gears. __________________ '98 3500 2wd, 24v, 5 spd, p-pumped '98 2500 4wd, 12v, 6 spd, VP'd '02 VW Jetta, 5 spd. My p-pump conversion pics