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11-15-2018, 05:38 PM
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Name: c12h26
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10 second 1st gen
You guys think it's possible to run in the 10's with a 1st gen, ve pump, non intercooled, and non lockup trans?
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11-15-2018, 05:53 PM
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Name: 9 LIVES
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Would have to be a nitrous engine with diesel injection
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11-15-2018, 06:44 PM
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Name: c12h26
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Originally Posted by 9 LIVES
Would have to be a nitrous engine with diesel injection
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At 4500lbs it should only take around 600 hp
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11-15-2018, 08:21 PM
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Name: Highwayman
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Sounds like a pipe dream to me, but I’d love to see you get it done!
I wouldn’t try it with a torqueflite though.
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11-15-2018, 11:49 PM
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Name: fatty
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Originally Posted by c12h26
At 4500lbs it should only take around 600 hp
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That's 14mm territory. Probably won't get very many runs like that.
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11-16-2018, 07:47 AM
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Name: SPEEDSHIFT
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Quote:
Originally Posted by c12h26
You guys think it's possible to run in the 10's with a 1st gen, ve pump, non intercooled, and non lockup trans?
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I would at least put a 47re in it, you could do it fairly cheap. Just full manual VB, billet input, and a decent converter. You would probably get another second just out of the difference in transmissions.
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11-16-2018, 08:12 AM
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Name: c12h26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SPEEDSHIFT
I would at least put a 47re in it, you could do it fairly cheap. Just full manual VB, billet input, and a decent converter. You would probably get another second just out of the difference in transmissions.
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I think with a 518 and good converter the slip would be 10% or less
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11-16-2018, 08:52 AM
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Name: SPEEDSHIFT
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Quote:
Originally Posted by c12h26
I think with a 518 and good converter the slip would be 10% or less
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10% is a lot when everything else is working against you. Its not like you can make 10% more power that easily with a VE.
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11-16-2018, 09:00 AM
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Name: zfaylor
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Typical internet agenda.
"Hey guys can you reinforce my pipe dream I want to come true! Not looking for constructive input from people that have already done it or anything!"
600hp with a lockup transmission maybe. If everything goes very well. First you have to get 600hp out of your non intercooled 1st gen without throwing reliability completely out of the window.
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11-16-2018, 09:49 AM
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Name: Bponci
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Its possible. Would be easier with a 47rh thou.
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11-16-2018, 10:21 AM
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Name: Cummins12Club
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I can set you up with a non lock up transmission that will give it your best shot at it.
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11-16-2018, 11:47 AM
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Name: c12h26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SPEEDSHIFT
10% is a lot when everything else is working against you. Its not like you can make 10% more power that easily with a VE.
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10% is a lot better then 30% with the stock converter
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11-16-2018, 11:51 AM
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Name: c12h26
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Originally Posted by zfaylor
Typical internet agenda.
"Hey guys can you reinforce my pipe dream I want to come true! Not looking for constructive input from people that have already done it or anything!"
600hp with a lockup transmission maybe. If everything goes very well. First you have to get 600hp out of your non intercooled 1st gen without throwing reliability completely out of the window.
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600hp should be no problem, already made close to 450hp with an all but stock truck and some nitrous
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4" turbo back,pump turned up,bumped timing,S366,354 spring,ground AFC lever,piston lift pump,M/T ET street radials.
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11-16-2018, 01:28 PM
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Name: SPEEDSHIFT
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Sounds like there is only one thing left to do.
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11-16-2018, 03:27 PM
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Name: fatty
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Quote:
Originally Posted by c12h26
600hp should be no problem, already made close to 450hp with an all but stock truck and some nitrous
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Yeah making 25% power more on an already maxed out fuel limited pump is no big deal.
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11-16-2018, 03:41 PM
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Name: c12h26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fatty
Yeah making 25% power more on an already maxed out fuel limited pump is no big deal.
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Yeah a maxed out pump, but that 450hp was with stock injectors
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11-17-2018, 08:06 PM
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Name: RonA
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Been a lot of time and money spent trying to make big power with a VE pump. Some made it, some didn't. Into the 10's with a VE will take not just X hp, it will take a near perfect chassis set up. You won't be able to throw 1k + hp at it and hit 10's with sheer brute force.
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11-18-2018, 08:16 AM
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Name: c12h26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RonA
Been a lot of time and money spent trying to make big power with a VE pump. Some made it, some didn't. Into the 10's with a VE will take not just X hp, it will take a near perfect chassis set up. You won't be able to throw 1k + hp at it and hit 10's with sheer brute force.
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I don't need big power i only need a round 600hp and from what I've done in the past 600 should be no problem. I believe 10's are possible with a completely stock chassis. I have already ran low 12's with nothing done to suspension just a good tire.
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4" turbo back,pump turned up,bumped timing,S366,354 spring,ground AFC lever,piston lift pump,M/T ET street radials.
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11-18-2018, 09:32 AM
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Name: fatty
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I'm almost starting to think you're trolling.
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11-18-2018, 11:05 AM
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Name: Mark Nixon
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Originally Posted by fatty
I'm almost starting to think you're trolling.
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There is not a scintilla of doubt in my mind that he is trolling.
I like the VE as much as any guy, it's dead reliable, you can do whatever you want with it to ~400hp, but you can't change the laws of physics.
It's one piston (plunger/rotor, whatever) doing 6 times the work of an inline pump, with passages and components only designed to realistically support ~300hp on a 6 cylinder application, at best (stock).
The critical problem is feeding 1 piston (plunger/rotor, whatever) enough fuel to support the horsepower at a given RPM, while keeping the thing cool and lubricated while doing it.
Increasing rotor size only exacerbates the problem.
Those few who have done 500+ have had pretty ingenious and expensive ways of doing it, 1 of which was force feeding it with what was basically a hydraulic pump.
There are greater, more capable minds than mine, or yours, playing with this, and they have yet to come up with a viable solution to make 1 rotor (piston/plunger, whatever) do the same amount of work as 6.
Mark
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