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Dockboy · 12-16-2007, 02:11 PM

Sorry Jim...................

Just realized you were talking about the flange!!!

Kia and I had them made by a guy that will do anything you want!! And they are inexpensive also!! It's a divided T6 transistioned to mate 3 1/2" pipe and tapped.

The company is called Zero Tolerence Speed and Fab. http://www.ztspeedandfab.com/

Contact Jim at James.Grim@ztspeedandfab.com

Greg

Dockboy · 12-16-2007, 02:17 PM

Here is a T3 to 3" pipe I had them make also.

oil-burner · 12-16-2007, 05:52 PM

I think I'm going to use this flange on the hot pipe to s-480, T-6 flange to 4" pipe

scot

Dockboy · 12-16-2007, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oil-burner

I think I'm going to use this flange on the hot pipe to s-480, T-6 flange to 4" pipe

scot

Not for $120!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ztspeed made mine for $50

oil-burner · 12-16-2007, 05:58 PM

[QUOTE=If you have a STORM block with the second oil drain, you can use the 3 tapped mounting holes around the rear oil drain to support it by the oil drain.[/QUOTE]

The block in my truck know has no holes or bosses on the side of the block, I have a spare block that has 2 or 3 bosses, that could be drilled, but that is for later. I would like to see some pictures of rip's 12v brackets installed

scot

oil-burner · 12-16-2007, 06:00 PM

Also is it ok to put the wastgate exhaust into the hotpipe, or should it go into the downpipe ?

scot

joefarmer · 12-16-2007, 07:09 PM

Definitely into the hotpipe. Helps spool the primary.

oil-burner · 12-16-2007, 07:20 PM

another question, when using a external wastgate which way to plumb it into the system ? bore a hole in the manifold (3-pc), or add a spacer block between the turbo & manifold ?

scot

joefarmer · 12-16-2007, 07:41 PM

If you can weld cast, the manifold. If you can't (like me), put a spacer.

*carfichris* · 12-16-2007, 09:06 PM

Does someone make a spacer for plumbing a wastegate in between the manifold and turbo Brandon?, Greg, Jim ...anyone? I have yet to see one. If so how thick are we talking? One truck getting twins in our group is a F-250/Common rail conversion and another F-250/12 valve. Its already tight to the heater box on those two tucks. It makes more sense to put one there than the other ideas of welding into the manifold or into the actual turbo housing.

Greg thanks for the ZTSpeed and Fab tip.

joefarmer · 12-16-2007, 10:07 PM

I made my own with two flanges and a piece of 2x3" tubing.

oil-burner · 12-16-2007, 10:54 PM

Seems like I need some more info, I'm GOING to do a set of twins. I have a silverbullet for a top turbo, and two choises for a bottom. 1st on is a holset ht4c (?) has a inducer/exducer of 83.8/138.9 2nd on is a garrett 171701 from a detroit 71mm inducer I know these might not be the optimal lower turbos but which one would bre better, keep in mind that the lower will be upgraded later. would like to keep the piping the same for know and later ?

scot

thojer81 · 12-21-2007, 06:12 PM

Would anyone happen to know the support bracket that source automotive sells for the s400 that uses the drain tube as discussed. will this draintube/support bracket also bolt up to a k31 turbo for a twin setup. I've been told that you can interchange hot pipes between the k31 and the s400 and i'd like to find out if the support bracket will interchange also before i buy it and then it doesn't fit.

Dockboy · 12-21-2007, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thojer81

Would anyone happen to know the support bracket that source automotive sells for the s400 that uses the drain tube as discussed. will this draintube/support bracket also bolt up to a k31 turbo for a twin setup. I've been told that you can interchange hot pipes between the k31 and the s400 and i'd like to find out if the support bracket will interchange also before i buy it and then it doesn't fit.

A simple phone call to Rip or Bill would answer your question

joefarmer · 12-22-2007, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oil-burner

Seems like I need some more info, I'm GOING to do a set of twins. I have a silverbullet for a top turbo, and two choises for a bottom. 1st on is a holset ht4c (?) has a inducer/exducer of 83.8/138.9 2nd on is a garrett 171701 from a detroit 71mm inducer I know these might not be the optimal lower turbos but which one would bre better, keep in mind that the lower will be upgraded later. would like to keep the piping the same for know and later ?

scot

I would go for the HT4C. That should be plenty of air for a 12v. The piping would change depending on if you swapped a standard-rotation turbo for a reverse-rotation turbo. When you look at the HT4C from the compressor side, does the exhaust spin the turbine counter-clockwise (aka reverse-rotation)?

95ram · 12-22-2007, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carfichris

Does someone make a spacer for plumbing a wastegate in between the manifold and turbo Brandon?, Greg, Jim ...anyone? I have yet to see one. If so how thick are we talking? One truck getting twins in our group is a F-250/Common rail conversion and another F-250/12 valve. Its already tight to the heater box on those two tucks. It makes more sense to put one there than the other ideas of welding into the manifold or into the actual turbo housing.

Greg thanks for the ZTSpeed and Fab tip.

If I remember I'll take some pics and post them tonight.

95ram · 12-24-2007, 12:41 AM

Here's a couple of the one I made for machup. It is two piece's of 2" C channel welded together. If I were to do it again I would add 1/2" to the top and bottom section or just weld four piece's together.

http://dodgetruckworld.tenmagazines....ram/384455.jpg

http://dodgetruckworld.tenmagazines....ram/384454.jpg

*carfichris* · 12-24-2007, 06:51 AM

Thanks for the pics.

AsTroSS · 12-29-2007, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dockboy

I made this for a 3rd gen., but just get creative and make something

Now I am confused and happy . My '98 12 use the same block like your CR (extra oil drain and threaded holes aroun it)

Red Stroke · 01-16-2008, 02:51 PM

On another thread it was suggested to run the wastegate into the down pipe not the hot pipe? Has anyone done this? Seems it would make the big charger laggier but allow more nitrous maybe?

12-16-2007, 02:11 PM	#21
Dockboy Name: Dockboy Title: Comps BFF Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,341	Sorry Jim................... Just realized you were talking about the flange!!! Kia and I had them made by a guy that will do anything you want!! And they are inexpensive also!! It's a divided T6 transistioned to mate 3 1/2" pipe and tapped. The company is called Zero Tolerence Speed and Fab. http://www.ztspeedandfab.com/ Contact Jim at James.Grim@ztspeedandfab.com Greg __________________ Greg

12-16-2007, 07:09 PM	#27
joefarmer Name: joefarmer Title: MR. Supreme Overlord Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,137	Definitely into the hotpipe. Helps spool the primary. __________________ brandon'); DROP TABLE Users;-- 1948 Dodge 1.5t 12v RH swap \| 99 F250 12v RE test rkt \| 11 X5 'no soup' \| 08 F250 CR RE swap \| 05 2500 CR 68 standalone firepunk.com

12-16-2007, 07:41 PM	#29
joefarmer Name: joefarmer Title: MR. Supreme Overlord Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,137	If you can weld cast, the manifold. If you can't (like me), put a spacer. __________________ brandon'); DROP TABLE Users;-- 1948 Dodge 1.5t 12v RH swap \| 99 F250 12v RE test rkt \| 11 X5 'no soup' \| 08 F250 CR RE swap \| 05 2500 CR 68 standalone firepunk.com

12-16-2007, 09:06 PM	#30
carfichris Name: carfichris Title: CNC'ing my life away Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2006 Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,922	Does someone make a spacer for plumbing a wastegate in between the manifold and turbo Brandon?, Greg, Jim ...anyone? I have yet to see one. If so how thick are we talking? One truck getting twins in our group is a F-250/Common rail conversion and another F-250/12 valve. Its already tight to the heater box on those two tucks. It makes more sense to put one there than the other ideas of welding into the manifold or into the actual turbo housing. Greg thanks for the ZTSpeed and Fab tip. __________________

12-16-2007, 10:07 PM	#31
joefarmer Name: joefarmer Title: MR. Supreme Overlord Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,137	I made my own with two flanges and a piece of 2x3" tubing. __________________ brandon'); DROP TABLE Users;-- 1948 Dodge 1.5t 12v RH swap \| 99 F250 12v RE test rkt \| 11 X5 'no soup' \| 08 F250 CR RE swap \| 05 2500 CR 68 standalone firepunk.com

12-16-2007, 05:58 PM	#25
oil-burner Name: oil-burner Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: york, pa Member`s Gallery Posts: 318	[QUOTE=If you have a STORM block with the second oil drain, you can use the 3 tapped mounting holes around the rear oil drain to support it by the oil drain.[/QUOTE] The block in my truck know has no holes or bosses on the side of the block, I have a spare block that has 2 or 3 bosses, that could be drilled, but that is for later. I would like to see some pictures of rip's 12v brackets installed scot

12-16-2007, 06:00 PM	#26
oil-burner Name: oil-burner Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: york, pa Member`s Gallery Posts: 318	Also is it ok to put the wastgate exhaust into the hotpipe, or should it go into the downpipe ? scot

12-16-2007, 07:20 PM	#28
oil-burner Name: oil-burner Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: york, pa Member`s Gallery Posts: 318	another question, when using a external wastgate which way to plumb it into the system ? bore a hole in the manifold (3-pc), or add a spacer block between the turbo & manifold ? scot

12-16-2007, 10:54 PM	#32
oil-burner Name: oil-burner Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: york, pa Member`s Gallery Posts: 318	Seems like I need some more info, I'm GOING to do a set of twins. I have a silverbullet for a top turbo, and two choises for a bottom. 1st on is a holset ht4c (?) has a inducer/exducer of 83.8/138.9 2nd on is a garrett 171701 from a detroit 71mm inducer I know these might not be the optimal lower turbos but which one would bre better, keep in mind that the lower will be upgraded later. would like to keep the piping the same for know and later ? scot

12-21-2007, 06:12 PM	#33
thojer81 Name: thojer81 Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2006 Member`s Gallery Posts: 135	Would anyone happen to know the support bracket that source automotive sells for the s400 that uses the drain tube as discussed. will this draintube/support bracket also bolt up to a k31 turbo for a twin setup. I've been told that you can interchange hot pipes between the k31 and the s400 and i'd like to find out if the support bracket will interchange also before i buy it and then it doesn't fit. __________________ 2001 QC Short Bed HO 5 Speed, AFE Progaurd7, SBC DD 3600, Edge Comp, PS62, 150 HP injectors, Fireringed, studded, Pryo, Boost, Fuel Psi. Gauges, FASS Fuel Pump 2010 CCSB All Stock

12-24-2007, 12:41 AM	#37
95ram Name: 95ram Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: MN Member`s Gallery Posts: 517	Here's a couple of the one I made for machup. It is two piece's of 2" C channel welded together. If I were to do it again I would add 1/2" to the top and bottom section or just weld four piece's together. http://dodgetruckworld.tenmagazines....ram/384455.jpg http://dodgetruckworld.tenmagazines....ram/384454.jpg __________________ 98 12 QC SB 4x4 Powered by Banks

12-24-2007, 06:51 AM	#38
carfichris Name: carfichris Title: CNC'ing my life away Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2006 Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,922	Thanks for the pics. __________________

01-16-2008, 02:51 PM	#40
Red Stroke Name: Red Stroke Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2006 Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,087	On another thread it was suggested to run the wastegate into the down pipe not the hot pipe? Has anyone done this? Seems it would make the big charger laggier but allow more nitrous maybe? __________________ White 01 Superduty, Ex-Cab SB, 4x4, Built 12V Cummins, HTS Billet 47RH, 8" Stack, 796 HP 1300 ft/lbs #2, 1374 HP 2500+ ft/lb on the gas. What you don't measure, you can't control. What you can't control-you can't improve.