6.7L questions...

JFlagg

Gun for Hire
I thought awhile back I read somewhere(or heard) that the new 6.7 is a bored and/or stroked 5.9, is that true? If that is true, are the blocks similar enough that some parts can be interchanged? Example: Can a person take a 5.9, and using the 6.7 crank/pistons/rods theoretically make a 5.9 stroker motor? I know little about the internal dimensions of these motors, but figured I would toss this question out to some of the guys who have torn these motors down and rebuilt them before....Just thought it might be an interesting possibility...If a 5.9 is good, wouldn't a "stroked" (not powerstroked) 5.9 possibly be better? I'm interested in what answers I'll here....:pop:
 
i was just thinking that today at work, i think you might be able to take 6.7 and swap it into the 5.9, 03-present trucks, just dont put on the emissions stuff and you have yourself a 6.7l non-emission cr?!
 
Got this off another forum hope it helps you guys
To help clear up some confusion on the new engine and the aftertreatment, im going to try and list some of the changes and go into detail further on the aftertreatment.

Changes To the 6.7 CM2150:

Rod Bearings: Low bearing stayed the same, however, the upper is a new Bi-metal bearing.

Crankshaft: Increase stroke for increase displacent, 100mm machined counterweights.

Piston Cooling: Only piston coolers available are the J-Jet type piston coolers on all ratings

Piston: All use gallery cooled pistons, piston pin is offset for noise reduction, second piston ring is a chrome face rang and not phospate coated (black)

Connecting Rod: Still fracture split, however, it isnt backwards compatable with some rods due to weight differences. The connecting rod orientation has changed as well

Cylinder Block: skirted design with ribs for strength and noise reduction. Cylinders may be bored out to .5mm max. Siamese bores

Main Bearing capscrew: torque value increased. This limits the number of times it can be used again

Block Stiffner Plate: On all engines, helps strengthen block and reduce noise

Vibration Dampner: Dampner and crank tone ring are permanently attached. Drive pulley has increased displacement.

Front crank seal: dual or non lip style which utilize a built in wear sleeve. Because the rotating portion does not contact the crankshaft, wear will not occur on the crank, but will internal to the seal.

Rear crank seal: went back to the old style double lip seal without a wear sleeve, rear seals will come with 2 seal drivers, one for front gear train engine and one for rear gear train engine.

ECM: no fuel cooling on the ecm plate, the new style is a nylon plate.

Cylinder head: same design

Valves and valve seat inserts: new exhaust valve and valve seat material which requires an increased lash setting of the exhaust side (.026) opposed to the old .020.

Head gasket; New design, if valve depth and injector protrusion specs can be maintained, the cyl head can be reused. For the block, if the piston protrusion spec can be maintained, the block can be resurfaced

Overhead set: .010 on intake .026 on exhaust

Fuel Pump: pressure has increased from 1600 bar to 1800 bar

Fuel Manifold: has been eliminated

Injector sealing washer: new saucer design

Oil pump: mounting bore in the block for the oil pump was reduced in size to strengthen the block.

Water Pump: increased pulley diameter

VGT turbo

Grid heater: incorporated into the intake plate, if the grids fail, the plate will need to be replaced. Since we are dumping EGR into the intake, the intake will self clean itslef by energizing if the engine is running for 30 continuous sec. vehicle speed less than 18mph and intake temp is greater than 66 degrees

Exhaust manifold; new 2 piece design



Aftertreatment: there is enough info out there of what the components are in the system so I wont go thru that. However, some info is left out concerning when a regen occurs and exactly how the fuel is injected.

Note: for every gallon of fuel burned in the engine, 1 gallon of water comes out the tailpipe in a vapor state.

Passive Regen: This will occur between 482 degrees and 1100 degrees. Fuel dosing is not needed.

Active Regen: if the system cannot maintain at least 482 degrees exhaust temp, an active regen will occur. This is when the fuel is added to the DOC.

Stationary Regen: fuel dosing occurs and is activated by the driver or the technician using INSITE.

Ambient temp plays a big factor at how long the regen will take.

In a nutshell:

Passive: Occurs naturally above 600 degrees (very common in a vehicle that is running down the road and the engine is under load constantly.

Active: Available if passive is unable to decrease soot loading in the DPF. Requires DOC inlet temps of 600 degrees which can be had by the use of fuel dosing.

Stationary: Sometimes you can get away without doing a stationary by increasing the duty cycle (taking the truck down the road and loading the engine in order to do a passive) Or, with stationary, provide notice to driver thru DPF lamp or regen switch.

Show Me The Money Stage: If other measures fail, or operator does not take action, severe engine derate and red stop lamp illuminate. There is no regen available, you have gone too long and the DPF needs replacement.

Temp Variations and conditions:

It takes 482-572 degrees at the inlet of the DOC for a regen to occur.

Over 1112 degrees, the precious metal (platinum) starts to crack

Over 1382 degrees, the catalyst and filter start to melt.

This system in a good running state will regen between 600 and 1050 degrees.

Fuel Dosing how and what happens: Basically with these injectors, you have a pilot, main, and post injection event. The pilot will occur just a slight amount before TDC, Main will occur at TDC and post will occur while the piston is traveling down on the powerstroke.

Now, with this in mind, we can now throw 2 more events in the equation in order to use the in head injectors to dose the DPF. These 2 events are:

Very Late Post BBDC of the power stroke and Very late Post ABDC of the exhaust stroke.

When these two events happen, the EGR valve is shut closed so we do not send fuel back to the intake manifold and all 6 injectors are used in order to dose the DOC.

Hope this sheds some light on the 6.7.
 
I understood about half that post...Does that state anywhere weather the 6.7 is a stroked/bored 5.9? I saw where it said the crank had an increased stroke....are the cylinders the same bore? What I got out of this post is that the 6.7 IS a stroked 5.9....unless some of that other info that sounded like greek to me states otherwise. So....can you put a 6.7 crank in a 5.9 block, make sure everything clears on rotation and have a 12V, 24V or non-emissions 6.7?
 
the 6.7 is .250 bigger bore. that is the only part that I really am excited about.

I have a long block and will be retrofitting project X this winter for Bonniville
 
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