More power? Best option? - Competition Diesel.Com

01Rusty · 10-12-2011, 09:27 PM

Ok 7.3 guys. I have stage 2 industrial injection split shots. Yes I now know it was a mistake to get split shots. I also have an Edge Juice with attitude stacked on an original "plug in" Superchip(another bad). Hind sight is 20/20.
I am pretty sure I have PMR's. I want more power, as much as possible in the future. I will be doing this little by little over the future years. Had the truck ten years, and not ever planning on getting rid of it. So when I first had all of this installed the only problem I had was of course high EGT's when pulling hard or when on EXTREME setting and driving hard. Also had kind of jumping or surging(not turbo surge even though I have that too)at higher RPM's. When I say high I mean in the 2500 range not in overdrive. It was more of a driveability issue. About 35,000 miles later, I am having problems with missing/skipping at low RPM's cruising speed on the interstate or just low RPM's slow speed in overdrive. My question is how much money would it take to get rid of the PMR's and get to the 600 to 1000 HP range with this 2001 7.3? Also to get rid of the stacking, what custom tuner should I go with? Should I go ahead now and bite the bullet and get rid of the split shots. Lots of questions so please chime in. Thanks

estrada5.9 · 10-12-2011, 09:49 PM

http://powerstrokearmy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1040

01Rusty · 10-12-2011, 10:31 PM

so how much money to get to the 600 to 1000 HP range including changing rods?

PSDracing · 10-12-2011, 10:42 PM

Now your talking big $....

SDS97_7.3 · 10-12-2011, 11:03 PM

With an 01 you may not have pmr's. There are a few forged rod motors out there during that time but more than likely you do have pmr's. From reading your post it seems as though you understand you cant stack 7.3 psd's. With the tuning there are quite a few good tuners out there, your best bet is to contact a few through calls/emails/pm's and ask questions so you can decide who to go with. Plus they will set you in the right direction to get to your goal.

And more than likely you will have to up your injector size. Do you know what size injectors they are other than stage 2's (cc and nozzle size)?

01Rusty · 10-12-2011, 11:16 PM

160cc and no idea on the nozzles. Any suggestions on tuning with these injectors for the mean time until i can change these injectors. would be nice to get something to help out now that could be reburnt cheap/free when injectors are changed and turbo added. would like to add another turbo now that could be upgraded even bigger later. From what I have read I need to go with a T3/T4 flange to do this. Does that have anything to do with the pedestal? I have been looking at DP tuner but have heard that there is better tuning. They sell the QSSB turbo. Would this be a good route to be able to easily modify for more power in the future?

*BIGRPOWR* · 10-12-2011, 11:29 PM

buy an 08.

00Rich · 10-12-2011, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 01Rusty

so how much money to get to the 600 to 1000 HP range including changing rods?

call wide open performance 801 233 1111 they help you out

01Rusty · 10-12-2011, 11:38 PM

I am a Ford Man all the way and I love my Powerstroke but if I buy another truck it have a Cummins. I like the 7.3 that is why I am trying to see what it will take to keep this one competitive.

01Rusty · 10-12-2011, 11:39 PM

thanks for the WOP advice

Tufluk · 10-12-2011, 11:46 PM

If 800 hp fuel only is the goal, then you have set a very lofty goal ahead of you. The top couple 7.3 dyno numbers are in the low 700s. I'm a very big fan of the motor, but you have selected what is quite possibly the most expensive diesel platform to make power with. Once you come to terms with that....then I wish you luck.

Two posts I'd pay attention too...the link to PSA to get you started, and the advice from BIGRPOWR to look at a different platform...as for the investment your looking at....if may cause you to revise your goals or look at a different platform.

Rods-2500+
Big Oil-2000
Injectors-3000
Compound turbo system-9000+
Bedplate-2500-3500
Live tuning/dyno time-1000+
Machine shop bill-???

Not unique to the 7.3, but you probably ought to consider-
Trans/clutch-???
Driveline improvements (traction bars, lockers, etc)

Those numbers above are ballpark. It would be very easy to spend more, and you could quite possibly with some patience/persistence, spend less as well.

As was previously posted, call Swamps, WOP, or your 7.3 shop of choice that has made your power goals already...and ask 'em what your in for $$$ wise. It might change your goal. Good luck.

Tufluk · 10-12-2011, 11:53 PM

If I missed the boat on the 600 hp goal, I apologize, could swore that's what you posted said 800.

600 hp can be done on a factory forged rod motor, that is otherwise healthy, and has good compression to start with.

200% nozzle B-code or Hybrid injector
SRP1
71-76mm inducer turbo
mount/piping to support above
valve springs
head studs
pushrods
RR fuel system
Tuner-your choice, I'd pick one that has made your power goal with your pick of components....proven tuning/hardware combo that way.

00Rich is a 550+ hp fella if I recall correctly. He might be a good recipe to copy/paste from.

01Rusty · 10-12-2011, 11:54 PM

Thanks! That is what I was looking for. Now I have an avenue to make my decision. I WILL basically get as much power out of it as I can afford because as I said before, the truck is going to be with me for a very long time. With that being said, I might have to reconsider my power goal (for this truck anyway).

Tufluk · 10-13-2011, 12:01 AM

IMHO-the fuel/air required to make 600+ hp on a single turbo make you sacrifice some drivability (towing, cold weather idle haze, smoke control) on the 7.3.....

01Rusty · 10-13-2011, 12:09 AM

Thanks. That helps too. I would like to be able to use this truck for the mean time for pulling on the weekends. It helps to have driveability for that. So what would be a realistic goal for HP on this truck to have driveability? And of course still have as much HP as possibly. I dyno'ed it this weekend at 330HP and 615 torque. I still have some room with my fuel if I had more air b/c my EGTs get high easy. For the big numbers I guess I will have to wait for a 6.7 Powerstroke or get a Cummins

JJeepyjohn · 10-13-2011, 11:43 AM

I've got Full Force stage 1 injectors a 38 r turbo with 1.10 exh housing and run TS tunes and last I dynoed I put down 378.6 HP and 780 tq. I haven't dyno'd it again since I put on the stealth HPOP.
My mileage is good and so is driveability . And I can pull any Damn thing I want. And I DO have PMRs
This might give you and idea of what you are looking for.

01Rusty · 10-13-2011, 01:09 PM

Thanks. What tunes do u have from ts and where is the best place to get them?

01Rusty · 10-13-2011, 01:11 PM

Also would anybody recommend going ahead and pulling the split shots and getting singles or should I just stay with the splits for now?

estrada5.9 · 10-13-2011, 01:24 PM

Injectors are spendy.

Stick with what you have, just for the dollar factor.

Call some shops and pick there brain if they are not busy.

You can get more from a 15 minute phone call then a day on the damn internet sometimes. Also calling with the intention to buy something always helps the info flow smoother.

JJeepyjohn · 10-13-2011, 01:41 PM

I'm running the "shelf" tunes as everyone calls them.
And yes.. I would go to single shots.

FullForce can switch you over to singles and set you up with programs

10-12-2011, 09:27 PM	#1
01Rusty Name: 01Rusty Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Greenville, SC Member`s Gallery Posts: 31	More power? Best option? Ok 7.3 guys. I have stage 2 industrial injection split shots. Yes I now know it was a mistake to get split shots. I also have an Edge Juice with attitude stacked on an original "plug in" Superchip(another bad). Hind sight is 20/20. I am pretty sure I have PMR's. I want more power, as much as possible in the future. I will be doing this little by little over the future years. Had the truck ten years, and not ever planning on getting rid of it. So when I first had all of this installed the only problem I had was of course high EGT's when pulling hard or when on EXTREME setting and driving hard. Also had kind of jumping or surging(not turbo surge even though I have that too)at higher RPM's. When I say high I mean in the 2500 range not in overdrive. It was more of a driveability issue. About 35,000 miles later, I am having problems with missing/skipping at low RPM's cruising speed on the interstate or just low RPM's slow speed in overdrive. My question is how much money would it take to get rid of the PMR's and get to the 600 to 1000 HP range with this 2001 7.3? Also to get rid of the stacking, what custom tuner should I go with? Should I go ahead now and bite the bullet and get rid of the split shots. Lots of questions so please chime in. Thanks

10-12-2011, 09:49 PM	#2
estrada5.9 Name: estrada5.9 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Williston, ND Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,955	http://powerstrokearmy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1040 __________________ 98 QCLB 10 CCSB

10-12-2011, 10:31 PM	#3
01Rusty Name: 01Rusty Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Greenville, SC Member`s Gallery Posts: 31	so how much money to get to the 600 to 1000 HP range including changing rods? Last edited by 01Rusty; 10-12-2011 at 10:33 PM.

10-12-2011, 11:03 PM	#5
SDS97_7.3 Name: SDS97_7.3 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Finksburg, MD Member`s Gallery Posts: 960	With an 01 you may not have pmr's. There are a few forged rod motors out there during that time but more than likely you do have pmr's. From reading your post it seems as though you understand you cant stack 7.3 psd's. With the tuning there are quite a few good tuners out there, your best bet is to contact a few through calls/emails/pm's and ask questions so you can decide who to go with. Plus they will set you in the right direction to get to your goal. And more than likely you will have to up your injector size. Do you know what size injectors they are other than stage 2's (cc and nozzle size)? __________________ RIP Dex KCCO 2008 F350 CCLB KR, MPD, No Limit

10-12-2011, 11:29 PM	#7
BIGRPOWR Name: BIGRPOWR Title: SBTTFMF Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2006 Location: Garage-Majal Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,795	buy an 08. __________________ http://WWW.NOLIMITFABRICATION.COM PPEI HARDWAY FIREPUNK GORILLA OFFROAD SCT'S / SPARTAN / EZ LYNK AFE S&B FLO PRO MBRP CONTACT US FOR ANYTHING DIESEL RELATED FROM INTAKES TO EXHAUST AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN 800-581-8986

10-12-2011, 10:42 PM	#4
PSDracing Name: PSDracing Title: Rookie Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2009 Member`s Gallery Posts: 22	Now your talking big $....

10-12-2011, 11:16 PM	#6
01Rusty Name: 01Rusty Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Greenville, SC Member`s Gallery Posts: 31	160cc and no idea on the nozzles. Any suggestions on tuning with these injectors for the mean time until i can change these injectors. would be nice to get something to help out now that could be reburnt cheap/free when injectors are changed and turbo added. would like to add another turbo now that could be upgraded even bigger later. From what I have read I need to go with a T3/T4 flange to do this. Does that have anything to do with the pedestal? I have been looking at DP tuner but have heard that there is better tuning. They sell the QSSB turbo. Would this be a good route to be able to easily modify for more power in the future?

10-12-2011, 11:38 PM	#9
01Rusty Name: 01Rusty Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Greenville, SC Member`s Gallery Posts: 31	I am a Ford Man all the way and I love my Powerstroke but if I buy another truck it have a Cummins. I like the 7.3 that is why I am trying to see what it will take to keep this one competitive.

10-12-2011, 11:39 PM	#10
01Rusty Name: 01Rusty Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Greenville, SC Member`s Gallery Posts: 31	thanks for the WOP advice

10-12-2011, 11:46 PM	#11
Tufluk Name: Tufluk Title: Lots to learn Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Alaska Member`s Gallery Posts: 22	If 800 hp fuel only is the goal, then you have set a very lofty goal ahead of you. The top couple 7.3 dyno numbers are in the low 700s. I'm a very big fan of the motor, but you have selected what is quite possibly the most expensive diesel platform to make power with. Once you come to terms with that....then I wish you luck. Two posts I'd pay attention too...the link to PSA to get you started, and the advice from BIGRPOWR to look at a different platform...as for the investment your looking at....if may cause you to revise your goals or look at a different platform. Rods-2500+ Big Oil-2000 Injectors-3000 Compound turbo system-9000+ Bedplate-2500-3500 Live tuning/dyno time-1000+ Machine shop bill-??? Not unique to the 7.3, but you probably ought to consider- Trans/clutch-??? Driveline improvements (traction bars, lockers, etc) Those numbers above are ballpark. It would be very easy to spend more, and you could quite possibly with some patience/persistence, spend less as well. As was previously posted, call Swamps, WOP, or your 7.3 shop of choice that has made your power goals already...and ask 'em what your in for $$$ wise. It might change your goal. Good luck.

10-12-2011, 11:53 PM	#12
Tufluk Name: Tufluk Title: Lots to learn Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Alaska Member`s Gallery Posts: 22	If I missed the boat on the 600 hp goal, I apologize, could swore that's what you posted said 800. 600 hp can be done on a factory forged rod motor, that is otherwise healthy, and has good compression to start with. 200% nozzle B-code or Hybrid injector SRP1 71-76mm inducer turbo mount/piping to support above valve springs head studs pushrods RR fuel system Tuner-your choice, I'd pick one that has made your power goal with your pick of components....proven tuning/hardware combo that way. 00Rich is a 550+ hp fella if I recall correctly. He might be a good recipe to copy/paste from.

10-12-2011, 11:54 PM	#13
01Rusty Name: 01Rusty Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Greenville, SC Member`s Gallery Posts: 31	Thanks! That is what I was looking for. Now I have an avenue to make my decision. I WILL basically get as much power out of it as I can afford because as I said before, the truck is going to be with me for a very long time. With that being said, I might have to reconsider my power goal (for this truck anyway).

10-13-2011, 12:01 AM	#14
Tufluk Name: Tufluk Title: Lots to learn Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Alaska Member`s Gallery Posts: 22	IMHO-the fuel/air required to make 600+ hp on a single turbo make you sacrifice some drivability (towing, cold weather idle haze, smoke control) on the 7.3.....

10-13-2011, 12:09 AM	#15
01Rusty Name: 01Rusty Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Greenville, SC Member`s Gallery Posts: 31	Thanks. That helps too. I would like to be able to use this truck for the mean time for pulling on the weekends. It helps to have driveability for that. So what would be a realistic goal for HP on this truck to have driveability? And of course still have as much HP as possibly. I dyno'ed it this weekend at 330HP and 615 torque. I still have some room with my fuel if I had more air b/c my EGTs get high easy. For the big numbers I guess I will have to wait for a 6.7 Powerstroke or get a Cummins

10-13-2011, 11:43 AM	#16
JJeepyjohn Name: JJeepyjohn Title: Make Me Fries Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,807	I've got Full Force stage 1 injectors a 38 r turbo with 1.10 exh housing and run TS tunes and last I dynoed I put down 378.6 HP and 780 tq. I haven't dyno'd it again since I put on the stealth HPOP. My mileage is good and so is driveability . And I can pull any Damn thing I want. And I DO have PMRs This might give you and idea of what you are looking for. __________________ 2001 F-350 CC LWB Island Blue TS Performance,Suncoast TC Full Force Diesel Stage 1 Injectors Police Interceptor Pkg. 1999 Dodge 2500 QC 2wd COMPETITIONDIESEL.COM 1998 Ranger Interceptor 6BT FIREPUNK Golden Nugget Competition Stage1 DPC Billet Triple Disc Converter

10-13-2011, 01:09 PM	#17
01Rusty Name: 01Rusty Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Greenville, SC Member`s Gallery Posts: 31	Thanks. What tunes do u have from ts and where is the best place to get them?

10-13-2011, 01:11 PM	#18
01Rusty Name: 01Rusty Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Greenville, SC Member`s Gallery Posts: 31	Also would anybody recommend going ahead and pulling the split shots and getting singles or should I just stay with the splits for now?

10-13-2011, 01:24 PM	#19
estrada5.9 Name: estrada5.9 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Williston, ND Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,955	Injectors are spendy. Stick with what you have, just for the dollar factor. Call some shops and pick there brain if they are not busy. You can get more from a 15 minute phone call then a day on the damn internet sometimes. Also calling with the intention to buy something always helps the info flow smoother. __________________ 98 QCLB 10 CCSB

10-13-2011, 01:41 PM	#20
JJeepyjohn Name: JJeepyjohn Title: Make Me Fries Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,807	I'm running the "shelf" tunes as everyone calls them. And yes.. I would go to single shots. FullForce can switch you over to singles and set you up with programs __________________ 2001 F-350 CC LWB Island Blue TS Performance,Suncoast TC Full Force Diesel Stage 1 Injectors Police Interceptor Pkg. 1999 Dodge 2500 QC 2wd COMPETITIONDIESEL.COM 1998 Ranger Interceptor 6BT FIREPUNK Golden Nugget Competition Stage1 DPC Billet Triple Disc Converter Last edited by JJeepyjohn; 10-13-2011 at 01:43 PM.