Help adjusting gov springs - Competition Diesel.Com

94adam89 · 12-20-2012, 01:05 AM

I recently p pumped my 24v. The pump is a 215 with laser cuts, ag holders, 0 plate, and 5k springs. I want to see if anyone can help me adjust my springs so it is a little more street friendly. Its unbearable right now! Im pretty sure the springs are from CDS. I hear people run these on the street with some adjusting but im not sure how to adjust them or what the specs are.

I was planning to use my truck to pull with but due to money didnt get a chance to try this setup this year. Im really just trying to get it to where I can drive it around a little and work the bugs out of the truck. Thanks

stubz616 · 12-20-2012, 04:53 PM

I think they are suppose to be 3 clicks past the soft click. double check the spring heights and make sure they're even too

94adam89 · 12-20-2012, 05:24 PM

I backed them off 2 clicks tonite. Not really any better or worse. I checked stud protrusion and they were the same. Not really sure what else to do.

94adam89 · 12-20-2012, 05:25 PM

And by the way...... I had one heck of a time tellin the clicks. The first click was hard to go and the next one was hard to even tell id it clicked.

*lenahan05* · 12-20-2012, 05:32 PM

what shims are under the springs? wide bottom shim? thin idle shim?

94adam89 · 12-20-2012, 05:58 PM

Ive never had the springs out so i have no clue what shims it has. I bought the pump as is. Ive never really gotten into how these pumps work. Ive read a good bit dont have any hands on experience with them.

ahale2772 · 12-20-2012, 06:07 PM

pull the springs all the way off, check and see if there are any shims under them, pencil magnet works best. put them back in, 3 clicks total including the soft click

94adam89 · 12-20-2012, 06:10 PM

Maybe it has something to do with my timing? Ive only had it set at 20 and 26 degrees. At 20 i couldnt get it to rev above about 1500 but when i moved it to 26 i had good throttle response and it reved to its max potential.

ahale2772 · 12-20-2012, 06:12 PM

nope, timing wont have any significant effect on how the pump revs

94adam89 · 12-20-2012, 06:20 PM

What do you use to turn the retainer off? I used needle nose pliers tonight. I couldnt get it to turn with a screw driver!

94adam89 · 12-20-2012, 06:23 PM

Oh and if there are springs under the springs what should i be looking for. How many are there typically?

94adam89 · 12-20-2012, 06:23 PM

Sorry meant shims under the springs

ahale2772 · 12-20-2012, 06:26 PM

big screw driver with a cut in the end works best, if the pump was put together correct, it will have no shims, but its a good baseline to check.

94adam89 · 12-20-2012, 06:28 PM

Ok ill take them apart tomorrow.

94adam89 · 12-20-2012, 06:34 PM

And am i supposed to pull the big outer spring out too? A quick pac brake search says that he outer spring is shimmed. Im thinking since these are 5k's the outer spring is different than stock?

94adam89 · 12-20-2012, 06:38 PM

And could it have something to do with the afc? I dont have a boost line hooked up and the previous owner ran it that way. I think what I really need is someone to look at it in person haha

LuckyLegs · 12-20-2012, 06:43 PM

Hook up your afc and tune it and you should be easily streetable. It may still be touchy but with some practice you can learn to drive a really touchy pump.

94adam89 · 12-20-2012, 06:45 PM

Lol and i thought my dragonflow vp was touchy with an edge stacked with smarty and 7x16's hahahha

LuckyLegs · 12-20-2012, 06:48 PM

Afc is your friend

94adam89 · 12-20-2012, 07:28 PM

There is no reason i couldnt drill and tap my intake elbow and run my boost line thru a rubber hose is there? Thanks everyone. Ur all a great help!

12-20-2012, 01:05 AM	#1
94adam89 Name: 94adam89 Title: Backwoods Dieselhead Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Three springs pa `7164 Member`s Gallery Posts: 121	Help adjusting gov springs I recently p pumped my 24v. The pump is a 215 with laser cuts, ag holders, 0 plate, and 5k springs. I want to see if anyone can help me adjust my springs so it is a little more street friendly. Its unbearable right now! Im pretty sure the springs are from CDS. I hear people run these on the street with some adjusting but im not sure how to adjust them or what the specs are. I was planning to use my truck to pull with but due to money didnt get a chance to try this setup this year. Im really just trying to get it to where I can drive it around a little and work the bugs out of the truck. Thanks

12-20-2012, 04:53 PM	#2
stubz616 Name: stubz616 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brewster, MA Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,327	I think they are suppose to be 3 clicks past the soft click. double check the spring heights and make sure they're even too __________________ 95 RCLB Farrell Diesel Stage 5 13mm pump,Hamilton Springs,Retainers,Pushrods,Fluidampr,Steed Speed,S467.7/soon to be S488 atmo,Full Billet Trans,DPC 4 disk TC,BD Pressure Loc,Haley Speed 5x.022s,Diesel Pros Custom Cam,O-Ringed,.010 over HG,A1000,Hellman sump,625 Studs, 30*

12-20-2012, 06:07 PM	#7
ahale2772 Name: ahale2772 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,442	pull the springs all the way off, check and see if there are any shims under them, pencil magnet works best. put them back in, 3 clicks total including the soft click __________________ 94 SCLB dually 11.3@122

12-20-2012, 06:12 PM	#9
ahale2772 Name: ahale2772 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,442	nope, timing wont have any significant effect on how the pump revs __________________ 94 SCLB dually 11.3@122

12-20-2012, 06:26 PM	#13
ahale2772 Name: ahale2772 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,442	big screw driver with a cut in the end works best, if the pump was put together correct, it will have no shims, but its a good baseline to check. __________________ 94 SCLB dually 11.3@122

12-20-2012, 05:24 PM	#3
94adam89 Name: 94adam89 Title: Backwoods Dieselhead Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Three springs pa `7164 Member`s Gallery Posts: 121	I backed them off 2 clicks tonite. Not really any better or worse. I checked stud protrusion and they were the same. Not really sure what else to do.

12-20-2012, 05:25 PM	#4
94adam89 Name: 94adam89 Title: Backwoods Dieselhead Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Three springs pa `7164 Member`s Gallery Posts: 121	And by the way...... I had one heck of a time tellin the clicks. The first click was hard to go and the next one was hard to even tell id it clicked.

12-20-2012, 05:32 PM	#5
lenahan05 Name: lenahan05 Title: Comp Diesel Sponsor Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Terre Haute, Indiana Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,173	what shims are under the springs? wide bottom shim? thin idle shim?

12-20-2012, 05:58 PM	#6
94adam89 Name: 94adam89 Title: Backwoods Dieselhead Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Three springs pa `7164 Member`s Gallery Posts: 121	Ive never had the springs out so i have no clue what shims it has. I bought the pump as is. Ive never really gotten into how these pumps work. Ive read a good bit dont have any hands on experience with them.

12-20-2012, 06:10 PM	#8
94adam89 Name: 94adam89 Title: Backwoods Dieselhead Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Three springs pa `7164 Member`s Gallery Posts: 121	Maybe it has something to do with my timing? Ive only had it set at 20 and 26 degrees. At 20 i couldnt get it to rev above about 1500 but when i moved it to 26 i had good throttle response and it reved to its max potential.

12-20-2012, 06:20 PM	#10
94adam89 Name: 94adam89 Title: Backwoods Dieselhead Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Three springs pa `7164 Member`s Gallery Posts: 121	What do you use to turn the retainer off? I used needle nose pliers tonight. I couldnt get it to turn with a screw driver!

12-20-2012, 06:23 PM	#11
94adam89 Name: 94adam89 Title: Backwoods Dieselhead Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Three springs pa `7164 Member`s Gallery Posts: 121	Oh and if there are springs under the springs what should i be looking for. How many are there typically?

12-20-2012, 06:28 PM	#14
94adam89 Name: 94adam89 Title: Backwoods Dieselhead Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Three springs pa `7164 Member`s Gallery Posts: 121	Ok ill take them apart tomorrow.

12-20-2012, 06:34 PM	#15
94adam89 Name: 94adam89 Title: Backwoods Dieselhead Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Three springs pa `7164 Member`s Gallery Posts: 121	And am i supposed to pull the big outer spring out too? A quick pac brake search says that he outer spring is shimmed. Im thinking since these are 5k's the outer spring is different than stock?

12-20-2012, 06:38 PM	#16
94adam89 Name: 94adam89 Title: Backwoods Dieselhead Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Three springs pa `7164 Member`s Gallery Posts: 121	And could it have something to do with the afc? I dont have a boost line hooked up and the previous owner ran it that way. I think what I really need is someone to look at it in person haha

12-20-2012, 06:43 PM	#17
LuckyLegs Name: LuckyLegs Title: Whistling snail lover Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 376	Hook up your afc and tune it and you should be easily streetable. It may still be touchy but with some practice you can learn to drive a really touchy pump.

12-20-2012, 06:45 PM	#18
94adam89 Name: 94adam89 Title: Backwoods Dieselhead Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Three springs pa `7164 Member`s Gallery Posts: 121	Lol and i thought my dragonflow vp was touchy with an edge stacked with smarty and 7x16's hahahha

12-20-2012, 06:48 PM	#19
LuckyLegs Name: LuckyLegs Title: Whistling snail lover Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 376	Afc is your friend

12-20-2012, 07:28 PM	#20
94adam89 Name: 94adam89 Title: Backwoods Dieselhead Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Three springs pa `7164 Member`s Gallery Posts: 121	There is no reason i couldnt drill and tap my intake elbow and run my boost line thru a rubber hose is there? Thanks everyone. Ur all a great help!