01' hard start/knock/tons of white smoke after injector install - Page 2 - Competition Diesel.Com

Mudn_1 · 10-23-2011, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ctdiesel99

Tell him to give me a call in the morning. Sounds like there's a chit load of air in the system, and can take as much as 100 miles to work its way out, but if it's not even driveable, there may be something else going on.

It doesnt seem right to me... but thats coming from a cummins opinion....

nevermind...if I would read......

*ctdiesel99* · 10-23-2011, 07:51 PM

Eric, extension 22. Having worked on nothing but cummin's previously, it threw me for a loop too the first time i heard an initial startup after a 7.3 injector swap. Sounds nothing like a 24valve after an injector swap, but we'll get it figured out for him tomorrow!!

DISTURBED · 10-23-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mudn_1

It doesnt seem right to me... but thats coming from a cummins opinion....

nevermind...if I would read......

Just an fyi. You should always pull the rail plugs before pulling the injectors to allow the oil to drain out of the rail. That stops almost all of the oil from going into the cylinders. What scares me is it hydro locked and could have bent a rod or few

Mudn_1 · 10-23-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ctdiesel99

Eric, extension 22. Having worked on nothing but cummin's previously, it threw me for a loop too the first time i heard an initial startup after a 7.3 injector swap. Sounds nothing like a 24valve after an injector swap, but we'll get it figured out for him tomorrow!!

thanks.... and for the record I didnt think it was the injectors.... just something he has done... but thats my opinion

Mudn_1 · 10-23-2011, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DISTURBED

Just an fyi. You should always pull the rail plugs before pulling the injectors to allow the oil to drain out of the rail. That stops almost all of the oil from going into the cylinders. What scares me is it hydro locked and could have bent a rod or few

yeah it scares me too and thats what I told him about the bent rods...... but I shut it off and cranked again and thats when it wouldnt even turn over....people here in hillbilly country never listen to me.... I always tell them, i might not know the answer but I'll sure find out for them......

DISTURBED · 10-23-2011, 08:07 PM

Good luck!

JJeepyjohn · 10-23-2011, 08:41 PM

He didnt by chance shoot it with ether did he ???

Mudn_1 · 10-23-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JJeepyjohn

He didnt by chance shoot it with ether did he ???

he says No, but I honestly don't have a clue.....

JJeepyjohn · 10-23-2011, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mudn_1

he says No, but I honestly don't have a clue.....

A little sniff is OK, but if he did shoot it that could be your lock up. And if he did shoot it,disconnect the GPR before you crank it... can you say BOOOM!!

Mudn_1 · 10-23-2011, 09:02 PM

Oh....

... no it will crank on its own, just a hard start....

JJeepyjohn · 10-23-2011, 09:15 PM

Dumb question... Does he have enough oil in it?

Mudn_1 · 10-23-2011, 09:23 PM

Yes....i checked that....lol

sent from my damn phone

*ctdiesel99* · 10-24-2011, 10:21 AM

You all get anything figured out on it yet? He can call me anytime today if he'd like.

JJeepyjohn · 10-24-2011, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mudn_1

whats the knock from?

The person on the other side of the door?

Sorry, Im bored Had to do it..

JJeepyjohn · 10-25-2011, 10:33 PM

So..... what have we found out ?

Mudn_1 · 10-26-2011, 08:21 AM

nothing yet... i told him to call Eric and I haven't spoke to him since.... I did find out the cold start injector probably isnt in the right place and he did not drain the oil rail pryor to injector install...... so those things are probably the culprit.....

Explain to me the cold start injector?

TRUBBS · 10-26-2011, 08:48 AM

As far as I know their isn't a "cold start" injector, theirs a LL (long lead) injector that goes in number 8 to get rid of the fuel knock the later superduty's had. (maybe it only had fuel knock when cold?)

Are all injectors seated fully down & tight? Sounds like he didn't purge the oil out of the cylinders and hydro locked it...

JJeepyjohn · 10-26-2011, 08:53 AM

The cold start inj. Blah blah blah... It also known as a long lead inj.. and it don't mean shyt.. the truck will run with it in any hole.. When he pulled the injectors he drained the oil rail, no way to stop it. And all that fuel and oil went right in the cylinders...
More useless info can be found on the LL inj if you do a search for CACKLE..

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Mudn_1 · 10-26-2011, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JJeepyjohn

The cold start inj. Blah blah blah... It also known as a long lead inj.. and it don't mean shyt.. the truck will run with it in any hole.. When he pulled the injectors he drained the oil rail, no way to stop it. And all that fuel and oil went right in the cylinders...
More useless info can be found on the LL inj if you do a search for CACKLE..

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he says he cleaned the pistons the 2nd go around after the hydro locked it..... but the only thing I can figure is it started the push alot of that oil out, so its stuck somewhere in between...... I told him to drain the oil first, pull all of the injectors, then rotate engine by hand and clean crap out of cylinders, reinstall and let it run a while and see if it dont start to clear up....... so we will see how it goes

CATmech945 · 10-31-2011, 07:21 AM

Did he change the injector cups? Or at least clean the old ones up good before installing the new injectors? Sounds like some sort of issue with the way the o-rings are sealing. I've had them run rough after a fresh install but never as bad as you're describing unless something was installed wrong. O-rings flip flopped, etc.

10-23-2011, 07:51 PM	#22
ctdiesel99 Name: ctdiesel99 Title: Comp Diesel Sponsor Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Lansdale, PA Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,789	Eric, extension 22. Having worked on nothing but cummin's previously, it threw me for a loop too the first time i heard an initial startup after a 7.3 injector swap. Sounds nothing like a 24valve after an injector swap, but we'll get it figured out for him tomorrow!! __________________ http://www.turn14.com 04.5 QC/SB 10.35 @ 135mph 2014 Jeep GC SRT

10-23-2011, 08:07 PM	#26
DISTURBED Name: DISTURBED Title: YEA WE RIDE THE SHORT BUS Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Winchester, Va Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,417	Good luck! __________________ Thanks, Jeremy 01 CTD Retired sled puller, dedicated "Twin Turbo" tow rig 96 CTD "TOO" Disturbed 3.0 - Built by Disturbed Diesel Performance 96 CTD "The Sickness" 2.6/2.8- Built by Disturbed Diesel Performance

10-23-2011, 08:41 PM	#27
JJeepyjohn Name: JJeepyjohn Title: Make Me Fries Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,807	He didnt by chance shoot it with ether did he ??? __________________ 2001 F-350 CC LWB Island Blue TS Performance,Suncoast TC Full Force Diesel Stage 1 Injectors Police Interceptor Pkg. 1999 Dodge 2500 QC 2wd COMPETITIONDIESEL.COM 1998 Ranger Interceptor 6BT FIREPUNK Golden Nugget Competition Stage1 DPC Billet Triple Disc Converter

10-23-2011, 09:02 PM	#30
Mudn_1 Name: Mudn_1 Title: Sweet Home Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Trussville Member`s Gallery Posts: 5,290	Oh.... ... no it will crank on its own, just a hard start.... __________________ "One Up'N The Competition" https://www.facebook.com/pages/Diese...73404032829197

10-23-2011, 09:15 PM	#31
JJeepyjohn Name: JJeepyjohn Title: Make Me Fries Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,807	Dumb question... Does he have enough oil in it? __________________ 2001 F-350 CC LWB Island Blue TS Performance,Suncoast TC Full Force Diesel Stage 1 Injectors Police Interceptor Pkg. 1999 Dodge 2500 QC 2wd COMPETITIONDIESEL.COM 1998 Ranger Interceptor 6BT FIREPUNK Golden Nugget Competition Stage1 DPC Billet Triple Disc Converter

10-23-2011, 09:23 PM	#32
Mudn_1 Name: Mudn_1 Title: Sweet Home Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Trussville Member`s Gallery Posts: 5,290	Yes....i checked that....lol sent from my damn phone __________________ "One Up'N The Competition" https://www.facebook.com/pages/Diese...73404032829197

10-24-2011, 10:21 AM	#33
ctdiesel99 Name: ctdiesel99 Title: Comp Diesel Sponsor Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Lansdale, PA Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,789	You all get anything figured out on it yet? He can call me anytime today if he'd like. __________________ http://www.turn14.com 04.5 QC/SB 10.35 @ 135mph 2014 Jeep GC SRT

10-25-2011, 10:33 PM	#35
JJeepyjohn Name: JJeepyjohn Title: Make Me Fries Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,807	So..... what have we found out ? __________________ 2001 F-350 CC LWB Island Blue TS Performance,Suncoast TC Full Force Diesel Stage 1 Injectors Police Interceptor Pkg. 1999 Dodge 2500 QC 2wd COMPETITIONDIESEL.COM 1998 Ranger Interceptor 6BT FIREPUNK Golden Nugget Competition Stage1 DPC Billet Triple Disc Converter

10-26-2011, 08:21 AM	#36
Mudn_1 Name: Mudn_1 Title: Sweet Home Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Trussville Member`s Gallery Posts: 5,290	nothing yet... i told him to call Eric and I haven't spoke to him since.... I did find out the cold start injector probably isnt in the right place and he did not drain the oil rail pryor to injector install...... so those things are probably the culprit..... Explain to me the cold start injector? __________________ "One Up'N The Competition" https://www.facebook.com/pages/Diese...73404032829197

10-26-2011, 08:48 AM	#37
TRUBBS Name: TRUBBS Title: Can You Keep Up? Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: BallsDeep Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,663	As far as I know their isn't a "cold start" injector, theirs a LL (long lead) injector that goes in number 8 to get rid of the fuel knock the later superduty's had. (maybe it only had fuel knock when cold?) Are all injectors seated fully down & tight? Sounds like he didn't purge the oil out of the cylinders and hydro locked it...

10-26-2011, 08:53 AM	#38
JJeepyjohn Name: JJeepyjohn Title: Make Me Fries Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,807	The cold start inj. Blah blah blah... It also known as a long lead inj.. and it don't mean shyt.. the truck will run with it in any hole.. When he pulled the injectors he drained the oil rail, no way to stop it. And all that fuel and oil went right in the cylinders... More useless info can be found on the LL inj if you do a search for CACKLE.. . __________________ 2001 F-350 CC LWB Island Blue TS Performance,Suncoast TC Full Force Diesel Stage 1 Injectors Police Interceptor Pkg. 1999 Dodge 2500 QC 2wd COMPETITIONDIESEL.COM 1998 Ranger Interceptor 6BT FIREPUNK Golden Nugget Competition Stage1 DPC Billet Triple Disc Converter

10-31-2011, 07:21 AM	#40
CATmech945 Name: CATmech945 Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2010 Member`s Gallery Posts: 93	Did he change the injector cups? Or at least clean the old ones up good before installing the new injectors? Sounds like some sort of issue with the way the o-rings are sealing. I've had them run rough after a fresh install but never as bad as you're describing unless something was installed wrong. O-rings flip flopped, etc. Last edited by CATmech945; 10-31-2011 at 07:34 AM.