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Is there some sort of calculator or formula to figure out how much of a cooler you need for X amount of air? Looking on frozen boost website I believe I can cram two type 52's behind my grill with some cutting and grinding, bubble gum and zip ties.

Second question with water to air coolers how do you figure out how much water flow you need for the cooler you are using?

I'm open to suggestions if frozen boost isn't the prime place to shop, I'm only saying that because I read of them being used on here, but not much specifics past the company name.
 
Yeah David that little lesson brought up more questions than answers. I found a little information on the Garrett site but lots of numbers I don't have to try and plug in.

Bell and Garrett make nice cores from what I'm reading, but they are NOT cheap and I'm horrible at aluminum welding. That's what attracted me to the frozen boost units, more or less plug and play.

From what I'm looking at the larger box style ones cool much better. I don't have room for that, I'd like to keep it as old man looking as I can. I don't care about cutting up the core support and or grinding out the back of my grill. I also don't want a massive unit sitting shot gun in the cab. I maybe able to cut out the HVAC box and gain a bunch of room to toss it there. I didn't want to loose my AC but that's looking like what will happen. That would give me better room for my inter stage w/a unit anyways.

I'm just trying to understand it a bit better before I make a decision if it's even worth the effort for this little ol ve.
 
I don't have much to add. From what I recently gathered, garrett cores are the best mass produced cores to be had. I saw a photo comparing fin density between bell and garrett and the Garrett won hands down. Also, garrett cores are underated compared to other's hp ratings. Look for cfm ratings at 1 psi drop. Look at treadstone for cheaper cores that are a step above ebay stuff.
 
The higher the boost is the harder it is to cool the air. Requiring a larger core. Most core ratings are based on 20psi. So a 1000hp garrett core isn't anywhere enough for a 1000 hp diesel because of the higher boost. Bell is super easy to work with and get cores from. They also have about every size configuration. With the garrett cores your extremely limited on arrangement. Garrett cores are slightly better than bell but not much but I would say bell is better for assembly.
 
What about the cores in the precision intercoolers? You know anything about them? Picked up a pt3000 and hoping it's enough for a 3.0 smoothbore truck alone.
 
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What about the cores in the precision intercoolers? You know anything about them? Picked up a pt3000 and hoping it's enough for a 3.0 smoothbore truck alone.
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It will work fine. You need three 3700gph bilge pumps at one per core. Other option is use a belt driven sprayer pump. If you don't give it enough water the water going into the core can flash boil and ruin the core.
 
J.P. I'm not seeing any water to Air's on that tread stone website? I could be over looking them or possibly wrong site!?

KJP, are you suggesting that 3,700 GPH is needed for every unit? Guess I screwed up with my rule 2K? Any more info on the belt driven system's?

Is anyone running a radiator with fans for the W/A water circuit before it goes back to the ice tank?

What if we were to try to factor in water/Meth. Does that allow you to get by with a smaller W/A unit? I have a 600 psi unit I was going to use to shove some Meth and or water into the intake post IC's.

After some beers and a tape measure it's looking like I can cut out my HVAC box and mount my inner/inter stage w/a unit in its place. Would free up a decent amount of core support room..
 
smokinVE said:
J.P. I'm not seeing any water to Air's on that tread stone website? I could be over looking them or possibly wrong site!?

KJP, are you suggesting that 3,700 GPH is needed for every unit? Guess I screwed up with my rule 2K? Any more info on the belt driven system's?

Is anyone running a radiator with fans for the W/A water circuit before it goes back to the ice tank?

What if we were to try to factor in water/Meth. Does that allow you to get by with a smaller W/A unit? I have a 600 psi unit I was going to use to shove some Meth and or water into the intake post IC's.

After some beers and a tape measure it's looking like I can cut out my HVAC box and mount my inner/inter stage w/a unit in its place. Would free up a decent amount of core support room..
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Treadstone might only be air-air. I was only looking at a/a when on the site.
 
smokinVE said:
J.P. I'm not seeing any water to Air's on that tread stone website? I could be over looking them or possibly wrong site!?

KJP, are you suggesting that 3,700 GPH is needed for every unit? Guess I screwed up with my rule 2K? Any more info on the belt driven system's?

Is anyone running a radiator with fans for the W/A water circuit before it goes back to the ice tank?

What if we were to try to factor in water/Meth. Does that allow you to get by with a smaller W/A unit? I have a 600 psi unit I was going to use to shove some Meth and or water into the intake post IC's.

After some beers and a tape measure it's looking like I can cut out my HVAC box and mount my inner/inter stage w/a unit in its place. Would free up a decent amount of core support room..
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For his application yes. Those pumps are rated free flow and don't flow anywhere near that when you hook a hose to it. What are you doing with this truck and are you running a single or twins. I have a feeling I would recommend a large a2a intercooler for you.
 
My truck is just for fun, drags, sand drags, head out to the street races, not really being built for anything specific just fun, it won't really be on the street much. Yes compounds FI 63&76. I was thinking water to air because I need to give my little pump all the advantages I can, I'm fuel and RPM limited, so I figured adding better stuff elsewhere would help. Yes/no?
 
Are you just running the stock intercooler currently. Do you know what your current intake air temps are. Typically twins will running lower temps than a pulling truck with a single. Do you plan to tote around ice. Or possibly just use water with a small radiator/fan setup to cool the water back down.
 
Why not use a air to air and an intercooler spray bar ,lighter weight than hauling 100# of ice
 
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No numbers yet, still building the truck. I was planning on a small radiator with fans and an ice/water tank both. I have a small water to air in my inner stage piping and a second Gen air to air on my core support.

Will the track allow a spray bar? I'd think they'd get pissy about water dripping? I really like the idea though, didn't think of that.
 
with that much turbo, good head work, and a VE pump, i don't see the need for 3 air/water coolers.

i'd plumb the inner-stage to a radiator with fans for street driving with an ice box option and water meth for racing. then just run an air/air out front.
 
smokinVE said:
No numbers yet, still building the truck. I was planning on a small radiator with fans and an ice/water tank both. I have a small water to air in my inner stage piping and a second Gen air to air on my core support.

Will the track allow a spray bar? I'd think they'd get pissy about water dripping? I really like the idea though, didn't think of that.
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Use nitrous oxide, co2 makes more moisture
 
Well I really wasn't thinking then, thought you meant water...

Okay so does the above statement of IC's being rated at 20PSI hold true for all? Let's say I want 1,000 HP (just a round #) but I have 60# of boost, do I need a 3K cooler?
 
Second question with water to air coolers how do you figure out how much water flow you need for the cooler you are using?
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There is a magic number, I'm sure. We just open circulated and everything seemed to work just fine. We use the frozen boost stuff. Works for us.
 
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