Dragon Fire Daily Driver? - Competition Diesel.Com

MurdaManDiesels · 06-16-2009, 08:47 PM

Im runnin a comp box, 100 horse injectors, and a hot rod vp44 with a 150 fass on a stock turbo. im thinking about getting the dragon fire pump instead of the hot rod. has anyone ran the dragon fire with a stock turbo?

BgBlDodge · 06-16-2009, 08:52 PM

Your joking right? That stock turbo isn't enough for what you have now much less for running the dragon fire. Not to mention that your gonna need to step up on injectors big time to run a dragon fire in order to actually use the fuel the pump is capable of.

MurdaManDiesels · 06-16-2009, 08:57 PM

no im not joking. im gonna baby the truck around until i choose a turbo for my setup. any sugestions on a turbo if i step the injectors up?

BgBlDodge · 06-16-2009, 08:59 PM

66mm at least. Save yourself the hassle and buy the turbo first and then step up to a big set of injectors and then if you want more then go and get the dragon fire.

MurdaManDiesels · 06-16-2009, 09:03 PM

well i need to decide about the pump soon bc mine has to be sent back for a little work. and i might just get them to swap it out for the dragonfire if it will be ok for a month or two with the stock turbo

BgBlDodge · 06-16-2009, 09:04 PM

How high in power are you wanting to go because an SO vp pump on spray can hit 700+.

MAXTORQ · 06-16-2009, 09:04 PM

Agreed you will just burn the motor down with no air.

*TheNatural31* · 06-16-2009, 09:06 PM

sent back for a little work???

MurdaManDiesels · 06-16-2009, 09:07 PM

i would like to see 650+ on #2 in the future. keep in mind that im not gonna be hot rodding the truck with the dragon fire until i get the bigger turbo.. i just need to know if it will be ok for a short period of time.

MurdaManDiesels · 06-16-2009, 09:09 PM

yea... its giving me problems and they agreed to swap the hot rod pump and some cash for the dragon fire

BgBlDodge · 06-16-2009, 09:14 PM

Go to an SO vp, a big set of twins or a big single, big injectors, upgrade the comp to a drag comp, and that'll get you close to your goal. Then spray it and you'll be well north of your goal.

kjpcummins · 06-16-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BgBlDodge

Your joking right? That stock turbo isn't enough for what you have now much less for running the dragon fire. Not to mention that your gonna need to step up on injectors big time to run a dragon fire in order to actually use the fuel the pump is capable of.

i would have to disagree if his truck runs like mine IIhrvp 100s and quad boostfooler is a perfect setup for a hx35 my truck makes more power than a sovp 150s and edge comp hot hx35
but i highly reccomend you do injectors and turbos first then decided to go with a big vp

MurdaManDiesels · 06-16-2009, 09:23 PM

ok thanks!

BgBlDodge · 06-16-2009, 09:27 PM

It's not enough turbo with a comp, 100's, and a hrvp.

And I would expect your truck to make more power with just a set of injectors and a hrvp on a stock turbo than a guy with a fueling box and bigger sticks on a stock turbo. Your not pushing near the fuel that guy is. And once you tap the wire on a HRVP it's gonna make the same power as an SO.

kjpcummins · 06-16-2009, 09:38 PM

same dyno i ran both truck he did 407 i did 420 my truck defuels at 3300rpms has more power runs alot harder a drag comp would only gain 20hp over a hrvp its not that much

01CumminsSport · 06-16-2009, 09:43 PM

how streetable is this pump im wonderig if i should go with one or stay with the SO's, im running a bullet with 7x.018 injectors and a comp, and i have an s480 sitting here to go under the bullet if need be. the truck hazes all the time right now but how much more fuel is there down low because its fairly smokey with the comp off and driving it like a grandma.

BgBlDodge · 06-16-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kjpcummins

same dyno i ran both truck he did 407 i did 420 my truck defuels at 3300rpms has more power runs alot harder a drag comp would only gain 20hp over a hrvp its not that much

He's WAY overfueled for that stock turbo. Contrary to popular belief, to much fuel is just as bad as not enough. In this case he's the first. Slap a 62 on there and try again. Bet you get drastically different results.

*TheNatural31* · 06-16-2009, 09:47 PM

funny.......

for similar reasons...I agree with Blue!

georgboy · 06-16-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BgBlDodge

It's not enough turbo with a comp, 100's, and a hrvp.

And I would expect your truck to make more power with just a set of injectors and a hrvp on a stock turbo than a guy with a fueling box and bigger sticks on a stock turbo. Your not pushing near the fuel that guy is. And once you tap the wire on a HRVP it's gonna make the same power as an SO.

So your saying you could take a stock pump and spray it and make more horsepower,than putting a dragon fire on the same set up? thats true but thats only because of the stock turbo right?

BgBlDodge · 06-16-2009, 10:01 PM

No. I'm saying that you can reach 650hp without a dragon fire pump. The dragon fire will make more but it's not needed for his goal. And trying to spray nitrous or run a dragon fire pump on a stock turbo is about as dumb as covering yourself in cow blood and slapping a lion on the nose with a baseball bat.

06-16-2009, 08:47 PM	#1
MurdaManDiesels Name: MurdaManDiesels Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Madison, Ga Member`s Gallery Posts: 68	Dragon Fire Daily Driver? Im runnin a comp box, 100 horse injectors, and a hot rod vp44 with a 150 fass on a stock turbo. im thinking about getting the dragon fire pump instead of the hot rod. has anyone ran the dragon fire with a stock turbo?

06-16-2009, 08:59 PM	#4
BgBlDodge Name: BgBlDodge Title: Hates hippies Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: Buda, Tx Member`s Gallery Posts: 16,647	66mm at least. Save yourself the hassle and buy the turbo first and then step up to a big set of injectors and then if you want more then go and get the dragon fire. __________________ 2003 Nissan 350z Touring 6mt 2000 4runner Limited Tyler Williams We have become educated beyond our intelligence. -Jerry Clower

06-16-2009, 09:04 PM	#6
BgBlDodge Name: BgBlDodge Title: Hates hippies Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: Buda, Tx Member`s Gallery Posts: 16,647	How high in power are you wanting to go because an SO vp pump on spray can hit 700+. __________________ 2003 Nissan 350z Touring 6mt 2000 4runner Limited Tyler Williams We have become educated beyond our intelligence. -Jerry Clower

06-16-2009, 09:06 PM	#8
TheNatural31 Name: TheNatural31 Title: Missing pieces..... Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Texas Member`s Gallery Posts: 848	sent back for a little work??? __________________ Ronnie (830).201.4063 Visit us @ Altered Diesel Wurks Mumau Diesel

06-16-2009, 09:14 PM	#11
BgBlDodge Name: BgBlDodge Title: Hates hippies Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: Buda, Tx Member`s Gallery Posts: 16,647	Go to an SO vp, a big set of twins or a big single, big injectors, upgrade the comp to a drag comp, and that'll get you close to your goal. Then spray it and you'll be well north of your goal. __________________ 2003 Nissan 350z Touring 6mt 2000 4runner Limited Tyler Williams We have become educated beyond our intelligence. -Jerry Clower

06-16-2009, 08:52 PM	#2
BgBlDodge Name: BgBlDodge Title: Hates hippies Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: Buda, Tx Member`s Gallery Posts: 16,647	Your joking right? That stock turbo isn't enough for what you have now much less for running the dragon fire. Not to mention that your gonna need to step up on injectors big time to run a dragon fire in order to actually use the fuel the pump is capable of. __________________ 2003 Nissan 350z Touring 6mt 2000 4runner Limited Tyler Williams We have become educated beyond our intelligence. -Jerry Clower

06-16-2009, 08:57 PM	#3
MurdaManDiesels Name: MurdaManDiesels Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Madison, Ga Member`s Gallery Posts: 68	no im not joking. im gonna baby the truck around until i choose a turbo for my setup. any sugestions on a turbo if i step the injectors up?

06-16-2009, 09:03 PM	#5
MurdaManDiesels Name: MurdaManDiesels Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Madison, Ga Member`s Gallery Posts: 68	well i need to decide about the pump soon bc mine has to be sent back for a little work. and i might just get them to swap it out for the dragonfire if it will be ok for a month or two with the stock turbo

06-16-2009, 09:04 PM	#7
MAXTORQ Name: MAXTORQ Title: Drop by, beers on me ! Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Golden,Colorado Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,566	Agreed you will just burn the motor down with no air.

06-16-2009, 09:07 PM	#9
MurdaManDiesels Name: MurdaManDiesels Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Madison, Ga Member`s Gallery Posts: 68	i would like to see 650+ on #2 in the future. keep in mind that im not gonna be hot rodding the truck with the dragon fire until i get the bigger turbo.. i just need to know if it will be ok for a short period of time.

06-16-2009, 09:09 PM	#10
MurdaManDiesels Name: MurdaManDiesels Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Madison, Ga Member`s Gallery Posts: 68	yea... its giving me problems and they agreed to swap the hot rod pump and some cash for the dragon fire

06-16-2009, 09:23 PM	#13
MurdaManDiesels Name: MurdaManDiesels Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Madison, Ga Member`s Gallery Posts: 68	ok thanks! __________________ '00 2500 QCSB 4x4 Lowered- Drag Comp, .020 flycut pistons, hammilton 188/220, II Hrvp44, sps66, ARP studs, CPP 6x.014's, cpp 110# springs/hammilton push rods, Ported head, water meth, fass 150 and Beans sump, Fully built trans.

06-16-2009, 09:27 PM	#14
BgBlDodge Name: BgBlDodge Title: Hates hippies Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: Buda, Tx Member`s Gallery Posts: 16,647	It's not enough turbo with a comp, 100's, and a hrvp. And I would expect your truck to make more power with just a set of injectors and a hrvp on a stock turbo than a guy with a fueling box and bigger sticks on a stock turbo. Your not pushing near the fuel that guy is. And once you tap the wire on a HRVP it's gonna make the same power as an SO. __________________ 2003 Nissan 350z Touring 6mt 2000 4runner Limited Tyler Williams We have become educated beyond our intelligence. -Jerry Clower

06-16-2009, 09:38 PM	#15
kjpcummins Name: kjpcummins Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: leon, ia Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,322	same dyno i ran both truck he did 407 i did 420 my truck defuels at 3300rpms has more power runs alot harder a drag comp would only gain 20hp over a hrvp its not that much __________________ 1997 2500 4x4 5spd 2011 2500 4x4 6spd

06-16-2009, 09:43 PM	#16
01CumminsSport Name: 01CumminsSport Title: CapeCodDieselPerformance Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Cape Cod Member`s Gallery Posts: 559	how streetable is this pump im wonderig if i should go with one or stay with the SO's, im running a bullet with 7x.018 injectors and a comp, and i have an s480 sitting here to go under the bullet if need be. the truck hazes all the time right now but how much more fuel is there down low because its fairly smokey with the comp off and driving it like a grandma. __________________ 01 ctd, edge comp, redline unlimited, meth, E.D.s469w/.90 housing, stage 2 monster pump with hurricane 2 6x.013's or 7x.018's and a few other goodies to make a fun daily driven street truck "FOR SALE" 06 ccsb laramie, Smarty, AFE, CCDP exhaust

06-16-2009, 09:47 PM	#18
TheNatural31 Name: TheNatural31 Title: Missing pieces..... Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Texas Member`s Gallery Posts: 848	funny....... for similar reasons...I agree with Blue! __________________ Ronnie (830).201.4063 Visit us @ Altered Diesel Wurks Mumau Diesel

06-16-2009, 10:01 PM	#20
BgBlDodge Name: BgBlDodge Title: Hates hippies Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: Buda, Tx Member`s Gallery Posts: 16,647	No. I'm saying that you can reach 650hp without a dragon fire pump. The dragon fire will make more but it's not needed for his goal. And trying to spray nitrous or run a dragon fire pump on a stock turbo is about as dumb as covering yourself in cow blood and slapping a lion on the nose with a baseball bat. __________________ 2003 Nissan 350z Touring 6mt 2000 4runner Limited Tyler Williams We have become educated beyond our intelligence. -Jerry Clower