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GorillaDave · 02-06-2013, 05:18 PM

Dropped the pan on the trans to change fluid and filter today. Fluid didn't look too bad but figured it was time for a change anyway. When I finally got the pan down this was laying in the bottom. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1360192526.289773.jpg ImageUploadedByTapatalk1360192585.428816.jpg ImageUploadedByTapatalk1360192667.523716.jpg
What is it and what am I in for?

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TheBigNasty · 02-06-2013, 05:21 PM

Looks like the remains of a snap ring

zstroken · 02-06-2013, 05:30 PM

Yep part of a snap ring!

mathews8pt · 02-06-2013, 05:31 PM

Definitely a snap ring. Hard to say for sure where it came from but the snap ring for OD direct is known for breaking a lot.

12VRoush · 02-06-2013, 06:39 PM

^^^ All the trans I have been into. 75% of them have had the O/D snap ring in pieces in the pan.

GorillaDave · 02-06-2013, 07:18 PM

Good to know. Thanks guys. From what I could see the rest of it was beautiful. Previous owner had it rebuilt approx 30k before I got it so its around 80k now. It was bone stock when I bought it and all I have done is free pump mods. I reckon it's time to start buying trans stuff.

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JSaat · 02-06-2013, 09:14 PM

When I dropped the pan on my dads dtt tranny I found a snap ring in the pan. Been like that for 2 years now.

GorillaDave · 02-06-2013, 09:21 PM

I figured it has been in the pan for who knows how long, so I put a new filter in it and filled it up with some Hy-Guard and took her down the road. Still shifts fine. BTW....I am extremely impressed with that fluid. Best my tranny has shifted since I have had the truck. Firm when needed but nice and supple during normal driving. Seems like it may have lowered my stall a bit as well.

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zukgod1 · 02-06-2013, 09:39 PM

Hy-guard is John Deer ya?

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chance cobb · 02-06-2013, 09:50 PM

what kind of fuild is Hy-Guard?

CGD · 02-06-2013, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zukgod1

Hy-guard is John Deer ya?

sent from my mobile thingy while picking my nose.

Ya

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Gasoline Sucks · 02-06-2013, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GorillaDave

. Seems like it may have lowered my stall a bit as well.

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How much did it lower it? 100rpm? 500rpm?

GorillaDave · 02-06-2013, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zukgod1

Hy-guard is John Deer ya?

sent from my mobile thingy while picking my nose.

Yep Deere product. Only cause the CAT stuff is too far away and kinda pricey.

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GorillaDave · 02-06-2013, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gasoline Sucks

How much did it lower it? 100rpm? 500rpm?

200-250rpm. I'll look farther into it tomorrow.

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madmikeismad · 02-07-2013, 04:16 AM

Dropped my stall about 100, but i only mixed 50/50. Its hydraulic oil. I've also used the cheap "tractor hydraulic oil" with same results. Trans always comes apart looking like new.

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BlackSkyRacing · 02-07-2013, 08:00 AM

Looks like the OD direct snap ring as stated earlier... The only thing you'll lose when it finally goes is reverse, so it should get you home. Looks like it wasn't replaced on the rebuild, which is kinda ridiculous since it's only $5.

As for the Hy-Gard, if you are running straight Hy-Gard then yes, you will see about 200rpm reduction, but I do hope you are running a brass screen type filter. Being in Florida will be the only thing to save your arse from starving it for fluid in the cold. But if your filter starts to get clogged up at all it will have issues pulling fluid. Now Low Viscosity Hy-Gard on the other hand seems to perform just fine in cold climates with standard filters and still lowers stall a touch while firming up shifts under throttle.

BlackSkyRacing · 02-07-2013, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by madmikeismad

Dropped my stall about 100, but i only mixed 50/50. Its hydraulic oil. I've also used the cheap "tractor hydraulic oil" with same results. Trans always comes apart looking like new.

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As long as it isn't green and minty smelling I can't say anything bad about cheaper fluids... But if it is, then I personally wouldn't go near it, I've seen more than a few friction material types literally fall of because it releases the adhesive.

GorillaDave · 02-07-2013, 09:31 AM

I am running a brass screen filter as that is all they had in stock. I am driving now up to Lakeland. Couple things I have noticed.
1) cruising temps seems to be 8-10* higher at ambient temp of 75*
2) TQ has stopped shuttering
3) locked up in 3rd, when matted, it will push this little un gated hx35 to 40 psi as opposed to 32 before and EGT still in Check.

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hainesboy · 02-12-2013, 12:34 AM

Which HY-GARD did you use? They have the normal hydraulic oil then they make low-vis HY-GARD. The low-vis actually is almost the same as factory standards as some ATF.

hainesboy · 02-12-2013, 12:36 AM

The reasons for that i bet are because yur running true hydraulic oil. Its heavier and will cause quicker heat build-up. It may raise your pressures a bit but its also robbing horsepower.

02-06-2013, 05:18 PM	#1
GorillaDave Name: GorillaDave Title: Aníbal Catastrophe Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Jamestown Tn Member`s Gallery Posts: 809	Wtf is this??? Dropped the pan on the trans to change fluid and filter today. Fluid didn't look too bad but figured it was time for a change anyway. When I finally got the pan down this was laying in the bottom. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1360192526.289773.jpg ImageUploadedByTapatalk1360192585.428816.jpg ImageUploadedByTapatalk1360192667.523716.jpg What is it and what am I in for? Sent from the BooBoo Bus __________________ Currently diesel deprived

02-06-2013, 05:21 PM	#2
TheBigNasty Name: TheBigNasty Title: Project bish Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: Magnolia, TX Member`s Gallery Posts: 5,385	Looks like the remains of a snap ring __________________ Brandon 2012 Ford F250 King Ranch 2004 Dodge 2500 Sport

02-06-2013, 05:30 PM	#3
zstroken Name: zstroken Title: For $$$ your name here Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Western Michigan(by the lake) Member`s Gallery Posts: 23,151	Yep part of a snap ring! __________________ 2008 4x4 Megacab, 68RFE 97 Dodge gone.... 24V P-Pump Mafia member #1(retired) Thanks to Mumau Diesel, Goerend Transmission, Northeast Diesel Service!

02-06-2013, 05:31 PM	#4
mathews8pt Name: mathews8pt Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2009 Location: central ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,269	Definitely a snap ring. Hard to say for sure where it came from but the snap ring for OD direct is known for breaking a lot. __________________ Hobie 2000 QCSB, 180 pump, 6x.013's, maxspool 2.5, trans built by me, AD150, 64/80 compounds 11.51@119mph w/s468 single

02-06-2013, 06:39 PM	#5
12VRoush Name: 12VRoush Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2008 Location: Frankfort, Ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 402	^^^ All the trans I have been into. 75% of them have had the O/D snap ring in pieces in the pan. __________________ 14 CCLB Longhorn Limited 96 12V ECLB - New paint, just wish the phrase "look good run good" was always true 03 Ford CCLB Puller- "How 'Bout That"

02-06-2013, 07:18 PM	#6
GorillaDave Name: GorillaDave Title: Aníbal Catastrophe Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Jamestown Tn Member`s Gallery Posts: 809	Good to know. Thanks guys. From what I could see the rest of it was beautiful. Previous owner had it rebuilt approx 30k before I got it so its around 80k now. It was bone stock when I bought it and all I have done is free pump mods. I reckon it's time to start buying trans stuff. Sent from the BooBoo Bus __________________ Currently diesel deprived

02-06-2013, 09:14 PM	#7
JSaat Name: JSaat Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Hillsboro, IL Member`s Gallery Posts: 142	When I dropped the pan on my dads dtt tranny I found a snap ring in the pan. Been like that for 2 years now. __________________ Jesse 2001 2500 ECSB 4x4, ATS Stg. 4, 62/65-14, DDP 150s, Airdog 165, Fluidamper, studded, and still slow 2001 2500 ECLB 4x4, DTT, FASS, 100 hp inj, TST-PowerMax 2002 F-450 Crew 2wd zf6 service truck w/ 4.88s, TS 6 position, straight pipe Rt. 66 Truck Repair

02-06-2013, 09:21 PM	#8
GorillaDave Name: GorillaDave Title: Aníbal Catastrophe Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Jamestown Tn Member`s Gallery Posts: 809	I figured it has been in the pan for who knows how long, so I put a new filter in it and filled it up with some Hy-Guard and took her down the road. Still shifts fine. BTW....I am extremely impressed with that fluid. Best my tranny has shifted since I have had the truck. Firm when needed but nice and supple during normal driving. Seems like it may have lowered my stall a bit as well. Sent from the BooBoo Bus __________________ Currently diesel deprived

02-06-2013, 09:39 PM	#9
zukgod1 Name: zukgod1 Title: Old fart Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Utah Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,397	Hy-guard is John Deer ya? sent from my mobile thingy while picking my nose. __________________ COMPETITIONDIESEL. 08 F-350 King Ranch, 6.4, H&S. EGR and DPF delete, 5" exhaust and THAT'S IT! Well, aside from wheels/ tires and a leveling kit. Tired of broken crap.

02-06-2013, 09:50 PM	#10
chance cobb Name: chance cobb Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2010 Location: Red deer Member`s Gallery Posts: 167	what kind of fuild is Hy-Guard? __________________ 06 mega cab 3500 efi live ! ppes dual cp3 ddp150s ddp twins Hamilton springs fass 220 fs2500 tsl17 autometer gauges billit goerend 12.20 @117 mph @ 8500lb 2012 3500 white limited emission stuff mia.

02-07-2013, 04:16 AM	#15
madmikeismad Name: madmikeismad Title: So mad Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Newalla, OK Member`s Gallery Posts: 14,347	Dropped my stall about 100, but i only mixed 50/50. Its hydraulic oil. I've also used the cheap "tractor hydraulic oil" with same results. Trans always comes apart looking like new. Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2 __________________ Mike Hill

02-07-2013, 08:00 AM	#16
BlackSkyRacing Name: BlackSkyRacing Title: Living Under a Rock Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sparta, WI Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,394	Looks like the OD direct snap ring as stated earlier... The only thing you'll lose when it finally goes is reverse, so it should get you home. Looks like it wasn't replaced on the rebuild, which is kinda ridiculous since it's only $5. As for the Hy-Gard, if you are running straight Hy-Gard then yes, you will see about 200rpm reduction, but I do hope you are running a brass screen type filter. Being in Florida will be the only thing to save your arse from starving it for fluid in the cold. But if your filter starts to get clogged up at all it will have issues pulling fluid. Now Low Viscosity Hy-Gard on the other hand seems to perform just fine in cold climates with standard filters and still lowers stall a touch while firming up shifts under throttle. __________________ Stan 08 QCSB 4x4 stock (ish) - 68RFE parts test pig 49 Dodge 2.6 pulling project "Gold Digger"

02-07-2013, 09:31 AM	#18
GorillaDave Name: GorillaDave Title: Aníbal Catastrophe Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Jamestown Tn Member`s Gallery Posts: 809	I am running a brass screen filter as that is all they had in stock. I am driving now up to Lakeland. Couple things I have noticed. 1) cruising temps seems to be 8-10* higher at ambient temp of 75* 2) TQ has stopped shuttering 3) locked up in 3rd, when matted, it will push this little un gated hx35 to 40 psi as opposed to 32 before and EGT still in Check. Sent from the BooBoo Bus __________________ Currently diesel deprived

02-12-2013, 12:34 AM	#19
hainesboy Name: hainesboy Title: Tech in training Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Haines,Or Member`s Gallery Posts: 51	Which HY-GARD did you use? They have the normal hydraulic oil then they make low-vis HY-GARD. The low-vis actually is almost the same as factory standards as some ATF. __________________ 97' 12v 5-speed xclb II comp sticks, 3200k squishies, S364ETT, 4" straight, slid plate, secret squirrel..., Project name; Black pearl Slowly learnin'

02-12-2013, 12:36 AM	#20
hainesboy Name: hainesboy Title: Tech in training Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Haines,Or Member`s Gallery Posts: 51	The reasons for that i bet are because yur running true hydraulic oil. Its heavier and will cause quicker heat build-up. It may raise your pressures a bit but its also robbing horsepower. __________________ 97' 12v 5-speed xclb II comp sticks, 3200k squishies, S364ETT, 4" straight, slid plate, secret squirrel..., Project name; Black pearl Slowly learnin'