Advertisement
If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Home Who's Online Today's Posts HP Calculator CompD Gift Shop Mark Forums Read
Go Back   Competition Diesel.Com - Bringing The BEST Together > The Starting Line > Drag Racing
Register Members List Timeslips EFI Live Library Invite Your Friends FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read

Drag Racing Where ALL Racers are Welcome- From ET Bracket, all the way to ProStreet and Top Diesel!

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-09-2008, 10:14 PM   #61
Burner
 
Burner's Avatar

Name: Burner
Title: slow poke
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Apr 2006
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 4,393
If chemicals are needed (large quantity)..... contact me.
__________________
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -- Thomas Jefferson
 
Old 03-09-2008, 10:55 PM   #62
John Robinson
 
John Robinson's Avatar

Name: John Robinson
Title: Too Much Time
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Weatherford, Tx.
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 2,384
Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner View Post
If chemicals are needed (large quantity)..... contact me.
Help getting chemicals or shipping from europe? elaborate please.
 
Old 03-09-2008, 11:03 PM   #63
toolmanoffroad
 
toolmanoffroad's Avatar

Name: toolmanoffroad
Title: Dont tread on me
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Oklahoma
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 917
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Robinson View Post
I couldnt find anything on saberchem? Got a link or #
Ill post up His number tomorrow.. Be sure to tell him that Aaron from "Extreme off road" sent ya!

he also sells fuel lube, and upper lube for water meth injection....
__________________
Click the image to open in full size.
 
Old 03-09-2008, 11:09 PM   #64
nwpadmax
 
nwpadmax's Avatar

Name: nwpadmax
Title: Turbo Geek
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Out in the shop
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 3,128
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sledpuller View Post
Careful with fuel mixing boys, because the day is coming, when the techs are going to dip yer fuel, and you will be watching from the stands, or worse, DQd, after you win.

You may as well add sparkplugs and turn it into a alky motor, which is about a 1/2 step away from a few of the V-8 "diesel' racers right now.

DIESEL means something.

Well, I know where you're coming from on this Gene, but I think all of the sanctioning bodies would do well to better define what they want. Most state:

"Pump diesel (#1/#2) or bio only".

Doesn't say what % the "pump" portion is. Almost everyone I know runs some additive, say for example, Stanadyne. So if I take my tank of "pump" fuel (which is legal) and add some Stanadyne to it (which is also legal because it is not prohibited), then I consider it legal.

So what if some guy figures out that running 50% "pump" and 50% Stanadyne gives more power? Sounds like that's OK too. What about 90% additive?

I guess I'd like to know what NADM (and others) think about this. Because, as you well know, until you define what's illegal and in what %, and have a way to reliably test it, then the fuel doctoring will continue.

I think policing fuel is going to be pretty tough since the cocktails are gonna be tough to determine what they are. You'd have to take whatever tools you have and test them on a wide range of dino/bio mixtures, then add some cetane and do everything over. I'd be real interested in seeing if the data are reliable from whatever methods are out there.
__________________
"What I said does equate too what can happen....Alote."

Last edited by nwpadmax; 03-09-2008 at 11:13 PM.
 
Old 03-09-2008, 11:46 PM   #65
COMP461
 
COMP461's Avatar

Name: COMP461
Title: Comp Diesel Sponsor
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Aledo
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 4,009
Trust me, its real easy to police , but I’m never telling

We have played the fuel game for 20 years in comp. Comp racers find power; the tech guys find a way to detect it. , comp racers find a masking agent, the tech guys once again figure that out also. During the Rat Poison days in Pro Stock and Comp hot fuel with all the tricks and masking agents was about $500 a gallon. Cheap if you were 20 hp down on the field and need a few hundredths. But in the end NHRA fixed it with a spec fuel that was necessary to keep the playing fields level. . Every one in a performance based class, was required to buy or was given the exact same fuel out of the same lot number drums. This fuel was out of date a weekend later and cost $15 a gallon. V.P. C 25 .
It’s very easy to dip the tank or have a test tap on the car in a easy to get to location. It’s in the NHRA rule book now in Pro Stock, comp, Super Stock, and Stock. You use a dielectric meter to test, and a color strip to check that the color of the fuel is still the same. If you unsure you run a spectrograph on the fuel, it’s relatively easy.

It’s very simple, and if you really want the straight up details, it is more beneficial to a fixed timing mechanical pump program. The Electronic engines have the ability to gain back a high percentage
.
 
Old 03-10-2008, 08:59 AM   #66
quarterman
 
quarterman's Avatar

Name: quarterman
Title: Georgia diesel mafia
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: mafia hideout
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 985
keating been stocking sabre-chem for a couple of years now not a big news flash as this thread seems to be pointing out. contact him at keating machine

Last edited by quarterman; 03-10-2008 at 09:02 AM.
 
Old 03-10-2008, 09:06 AM   #67
Timbeaux
 
Timbeaux's Avatar

Name: Timbeaux
Title: Administrator and Head Thread Derailer
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Heart of Dixie
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 17,238
Darren, Keating has all sorts of stuff in that shop that most people would think is a news flash Don't tell all the secrets!!
__________________
COMPETITIONDIESEL.COM
BRINGING THE BEST TOGETHER
F250(DD) ANOTHER TRUCK (PROGRAM)
NO LIMIT FAB, DIESEL SOUTH, DC CUSTOMS
Quote:
"I just love everything about racing. I wanna race every single day. Its nothing for me to be cutting grass and the neighbor hoss the gas on his mower, and there we are, lined up in the the middle of the street." - Stevie KillinTime Jackson
"Against stupidity, the gods themselves fight unvictorious."



 
Old 03-10-2008, 09:09 AM   #68
alexlaughlin

Name: alexlaughlin
Title: Cool
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: stephenville, tx
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 605
We have been dyno testing our new additives... We have several different levels. The hottest stuff we have is unbelievably more powerful than ANYTHING on the market. It still has great amount of lubricity as well. I cant say any numbers yet but its amazing! All this still depends on what our associations (NADM, DHRA, etc) want to do for the fuel though.
 
Old 03-10-2008, 09:23 AM   #69
9 LIVES
 
9 LIVES's Avatar

Name: 9 LIVES
Title: Demolition Expert
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Midland, NC
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 4,051
Sabre-Chem Incorporated
PO Box 140296
Broken Arrow, OK 74014
Phone: (918) 587-1555
__________________
2001 Dodge 3500 Flatbed
1995 Dodge 3500 Flatbed
2021 Ford F-250 7.3


Heads I win, tails you lose....
-Lee-
 
Old 03-10-2008, 11:20 AM   #70
Fletcher
 
Fletcher's Avatar

Name: Fletcher
Title: Comp Diesel Sponsor
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Apr 2006
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 744
Quote:
Originally Posted by alexlaughlin View Post
We have been dyno testing our new additives... We have several different levels. The hottest stuff we have is unbelievably more powerful than ANYTHING on the market. It still has great amount of lubricity as well. I cant say any numbers yet but its amazing! All this still depends on what our associations (NADM, DHRA, etc) want to do for the fuel though.

! Mass burned fraction cycle variations are altered in HCCI from carbon chain dynamics. You ether rob from the top to feed the bottom even with 2ethyl-nitrite enrichments......

Where did your conbustion data go?
 
Old 03-10-2008, 02:51 PM   #71
Big Thumper
 
Big Thumper's Avatar

Name: Big Thumper
Title: N2O Pusher
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: SoCal
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 324
Quote:
Originally Posted by alexlaughlin View Post
We have been dyno testing our new additives... We have several different levels. The hottest stuff we have is unbelievably more powerful than ANYTHING on the market. It still has great amount of lubricity as well. I cant say any numbers yet but its amazing! All this still depends on what our associations (NADM, DHRA, etc) want to do for the fuel though.
I'd be interested in seeing your lubricity data and engine dyno test results as well.
__________________
Matt T @ Banks - Race Shop Lead
 
Old 03-12-2008, 02:27 PM   #72
Fletcher
 
Fletcher's Avatar

Name: Fletcher
Title: Comp Diesel Sponsor
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Apr 2006
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 744
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Thumper View Post
I'd be interested in seeing your lubricity data and engine dyno test results as well.
I'll drive down and by you steak if objective data's disiminate
 
Old 03-12-2008, 03:05 PM   #73
Dalpilot
 
Dalpilot's Avatar

Name: Dalpilot
Title: Joe Nobody!
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Austin, Texas
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 11,373
I have burned about half of the Hiperfuel that they sent me, and so far I like it. I cannot say that I am getting a whole bunch better performance for sure. Butt o meter says its got a little more kick. They say it smokes less, but that would be a big no! its got a 63 cetane rating and is supposed to burn hotter, but one thing that has me perplexed is my EGT's have dropped almost 150??????
__________________
2017 White f-250
COMPETITIONDIESEL.COM
Bringing the best together
 
Old 03-12-2008, 03:13 PM   #74
Fletcher
 
Fletcher's Avatar

Name: Fletcher
Title: Comp Diesel Sponsor
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Apr 2006
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 744
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalpilot View Post
I have burned about half of the Hiperfuel that they sent me, and so far I like it. I cannot say that I am getting a whole bunch better performance for sure. Butt o meter says its got a little more kick. They say it smokes less, but that would be a big no! its got a 63 cetane rating and is supposed to burn hotter, but one thing that has me perplexed is my EGT's have dropped almost 150??????
ref.#70 I've mixed for 5 years, yes. I'm a mixer
 
Old 03-12-2008, 08:19 PM   #75
Burner
 
Burner's Avatar

Name: Burner
Title: slow poke
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Apr 2006
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 4,393
Da, get a G-Tech (sp) and see if anything changes.
__________________
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -- Thomas Jefferson
 
Old 03-12-2008, 09:12 PM   #76
Scooter's Roofing

Name: Scooter's Roofing
Title: Too Much Time
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Oct 2006
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 17,007
this is so cool... furthur evidence that we are really all on the edge of a movement and a sport...

reminds me of listening to old school guys talking about hydrazine!
 
Old 03-12-2008, 10:45 PM   #77
Burner
 
Burner's Avatar

Name: Burner
Title: slow poke
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Apr 2006
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 4,393
you said N2H4. ......silly rabbit, tricks are for kids.
__________________
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -- Thomas Jefferson
 
Old 03-13-2008, 01:42 AM   #78
Big Thumper
 
Big Thumper's Avatar

Name: Big Thumper
Title: N2O Pusher
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: SoCal
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 324
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fletcher View Post
I'll drive down and by you steak if objective data's disiminate
And I'd buy the drinks.
__________________
Matt T @ Banks - Race Shop Lead
 
Old 03-14-2008, 09:41 AM   #79
Fletcher
 
Fletcher's Avatar

Name: Fletcher
Title: Comp Diesel Sponsor
Status: Not Here
Join Date: Apr 2006
Member`s Gallery
Posts: 744
Quote:
Originally Posted by Burner View Post
you said N2H4. ......silly rabbit, tricks are for kids.
SNAKE OIL from the tent
 
Closed Thread

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:13 PM.

 


Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2006 - 2024, CompetitionDiesel.com
all information found on this site is property of www.competitiondiesel.com