Steed speed vs stainless diesel manifold - Competition Diesel.Com

cumminsrulez · 02-05-2015, 01:14 AM

Ok guys. I know this has been cover a few times. I've been going back and forth between building a manifold, buying a ats big foot, or going all out and getting a t4 SD or steed. I figured it may be time to pony up the cash and buy a manifold. Being this is the last manifold I'll probably buy for the life of the truck i want to get a good one first.

But every thread I've found on this topic has turned into a pissing match. I'm not worried so much about what manifold makes peak power. This is my dd, i wanna hear some results on spool characteristics. How has your stock manifold compared to the SD or steed. Or a comparison of any manifold really. I've called and talked to both companies. They both seem top notch and really friendly to talk to. I want to run my external gate which pushes me towards the steed, but a few peoples reviews of the SD manifold have raved about the better spool characteristics over stock (and i could simply run a gate plate). I have heard a little bad about both, steed coating peeling (which seems to be fixed) and SD manifolds bolt holes to the had not being quite right. But i wanna hear your guys thoughts. Obviously i probably couldn't go wrong either way. I guess i just need sometime to push me and to take the leap in one direction. So lets hear it

dangerous06 · 02-05-2015, 09:04 AM

Flip a coin you won't be sorry either way! Stainless does hold the heat better which translates to better spool but a 1/2 second faster isn't going to matter on a DD. The steed wastegate mount is awesome to have. So flip a coin!

cumminsrulez · 02-05-2015, 10:45 AM

There us so many options though haha, i want both to test back to back honestly. But funds won't allow that..

MufflerBearing · 02-05-2015, 10:50 AM

I've ran all 3 that you mentioned. Didn't care for the ATS. The stainless is very nice and now on my 6.7 and I run a steed on the puller which is very nice. I prefer the steed due to options they offer. Just my .02

Ghostman · 02-05-2015, 01:27 PM

If you need a e-gate, it seems a no-brainer on which one to get.

cumminsrulez · 02-05-2015, 03:51 PM

After talking to Taylor Manning, and Leen at steed i think I'm gunna go with a t4 steed stock angle with the inverted gate port. Also will be picking up a turbosmart hyper gate to go on it and sell my manifold and wastegate setup.

Longcummins · 02-05-2015, 06:35 PM

I would suggest you look up a post by Ryan Millikan at about the benefit of the steed speed wategate port ( the pros and cons) google hardway performance. It was very informative post and info with real world data provided. Just food for thought.

12vriviera · 02-05-2015, 06:37 PM

The new gate ports are fixed appropriately

Longcummins · 02-05-2015, 06:39 PM

I was not aware of the fix but it was accurate info the Ryan put out at that time.

12vriviera · 02-05-2015, 10:11 PM

Yes it was

cumminsrulez · 02-05-2015, 10:36 PM

I have read the mentioned article by Ryan. And spoke with Leen at steed (great guy btw) and he mentioned the new design goes right to the valve face. And i will be running a gate so itll still be divided.

Also have 5x.018s in the works...so it'll be a busy tax return haha

Black_Widow · 03-14-2015, 07:52 PM

I have a Super B Special which is 64.5/71/14 on my truck. When I had the stocker it wouldnt even try to spool until around 2300 rpm, I bought a stainless diesel manifold and now she starts to spool around 1500 rpm thats with my manifold and turbo in twin position. This was before the compounds.

'07 Ram 3500 QCLB 4x4 5.9 Cummins
64.5/71/14 over a 75/86/91, Hamilton 103# Valve Springs, Arp Headstuds, Arp Injectorstuds, Hamilton Extremeduty Pushrods, GDP Fuel Boss, EFI Live, ATS Dual CP3, Exergy 150% Injectors, Rotating Assembly Balanced at 5k RPM, Valair Dual Disk Clutch (upgrade soon), AutoMeter Gauges and a heavy right foot.

02-05-2015, 01:14 AM	#1
cumminsrulez Name: cumminsrulez Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2012 Member`s Gallery Posts: 150	Steed speed vs stainless diesel manifold Ok guys. I know this has been cover a few times. I've been going back and forth between building a manifold, buying a ats big foot, or going all out and getting a t4 SD or steed. I figured it may be time to pony up the cash and buy a manifold. Being this is the last manifold I'll probably buy for the life of the truck i want to get a good one first. But every thread I've found on this topic has turned into a pissing match. I'm not worried so much about what manifold makes peak power. This is my dd, i wanna hear some results on spool characteristics. How has your stock manifold compared to the SD or steed. Or a comparison of any manifold really. I've called and talked to both companies. They both seem top notch and really friendly to talk to. I want to run my external gate which pushes me towards the steed, but a few peoples reviews of the SD manifold have raved about the better spool characteristics over stock (and i could simply run a gate plate). I have heard a little bad about both, steed coating peeling (which seems to be fixed) and SD manifolds bolt holes to the had not being quite right. But i wanna hear your guys thoughts. Obviously i probably couldn't go wrong either way. I guess i just need sometime to push me and to take the leap in one direction. So lets hear it __________________ 97 5spd fuel: drp sump, homebrew a1000 fuel system, .025 dvs, 5x.016 vco 295 bar. Air: s&b, 38mm external gate, fmw 62/68/.83 t4....soon to be sitting next to a ht4b

02-05-2015, 09:04 AM	#2
dangerous06 Name: dangerous06 Title: diesel tech Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Escondido CA Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,564	Flip a coin you won't be sorry either way! Stainless does hold the heat better which translates to better spool but a 1/2 second faster isn't going to matter on a DD. The steed wastegate mount is awesome to have. So flip a coin! __________________ E.D. 66-74-091, T-4 exhaust, 2 Micron filter pre CP3, EFI, S&B intake, ARP 625 head studs, 182-214 Hamilton Cam,springs and push rods,40% injectors, Banks Intercooler, T&C CP-3 & PRV, Built 48RE, 5" exhaust,Carrillo rods, Pacbrake!

02-05-2015, 10:45 AM	#3
cumminsrulez Name: cumminsrulez Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2012 Member`s Gallery Posts: 150	There us so many options though haha, i want both to test back to back honestly. But funds won't allow that.. __________________ 97 5spd fuel: drp sump, homebrew a1000 fuel system, .025 dvs, 5x.016 vco 295 bar. Air: s&b, 38mm external gate, fmw 62/68/.83 t4....soon to be sitting next to a ht4b

02-05-2015, 10:50 AM	#4
MufflerBearing Name: MufflerBearing Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Boyertown, PA Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,188	I've ran all 3 that you mentioned. Didn't care for the ATS. The stainless is very nice and now on my 6.7 and I run a steed on the puller which is very nice. I prefer the steed due to options they offer. Just my .02 __________________ 17' Mega 3500 W/Aisin, 2nd gen swap with billet S468 87' 4runner LS, NV4500, 1 Tons.

02-05-2015, 03:51 PM	#6
cumminsrulez Name: cumminsrulez Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2012 Member`s Gallery Posts: 150	After talking to Taylor Manning, and Leen at steed i think I'm gunna go with a t4 steed stock angle with the inverted gate port. Also will be picking up a turbosmart hyper gate to go on it and sell my manifold and wastegate setup. __________________ 97 5spd fuel: drp sump, homebrew a1000 fuel system, .025 dvs, 5x.016 vco 295 bar. Air: s&b, 38mm external gate, fmw 62/68/.83 t4....soon to be sitting next to a ht4b

02-05-2015, 06:35 PM	#7
Longcummins Name: Longcummins Title: Green Ears & Red Neck Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Ashville, Ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 121	I would suggest you look up a post by Ryan Millikan at about the benefit of the steed speed wategate port ( the pros and cons) google hardway performance. It was very informative post and info with real world data provided. Just food for thought. __________________ 2008 2500 CCSB 4x4 ,EFI Live, ATS IV TRANNY, Stainless Diesel 2nd Generation Swap 467.7 FMW, CNG, . Last edited by Longcummins; 02-05-2015 at 06:37 PM. Reason: Typo

02-05-2015, 06:37 PM	#8
12vriviera Name: 12vriviera Title: That Guy with that car Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: north texas Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,846	The new gate ports are fixed appropriately __________________ Brandon Carr. Owner of the 24V RIV Competition Diesel.Com - Bringing The BEST Together I am a pushover https://www.facebook.com/#!/24VRIVIERA

02-05-2015, 06:39 PM	#9
Longcummins Name: Longcummins Title: Green Ears & Red Neck Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Ashville, Ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 121	I was not aware of the fix but it was accurate info the Ryan put out at that time. __________________ 2008 2500 CCSB 4x4 ,EFI Live, ATS IV TRANNY, Stainless Diesel 2nd Generation Swap 467.7 FMW, CNG, .

02-05-2015, 10:11 PM	#10
12vriviera Name: 12vriviera Title: That Guy with that car Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: north texas Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,846	Yes it was __________________ Brandon Carr. Owner of the 24V RIV Competition Diesel.Com - Bringing The BEST Together I am a pushover https://www.facebook.com/#!/24VRIVIERA

02-05-2015, 10:36 PM	#11
cumminsrulez Name: cumminsrulez Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2012 Member`s Gallery Posts: 150	I have read the mentioned article by Ryan. And spoke with Leen at steed (great guy btw) and he mentioned the new design goes right to the valve face. And i will be running a gate so itll still be divided. Also have 5x.018s in the works...so it'll be a busy tax return haha __________________ 97 5spd fuel: drp sump, homebrew a1000 fuel system, .025 dvs, 5x.016 vco 295 bar. Air: s&b, 38mm external gate, fmw 62/68/.83 t4....soon to be sitting next to a ht4b

03-14-2015, 07:52 PM	#12
Black_Widow Name: Black_Widow Title: Rookie Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Odessa, TX Member`s Gallery Posts: 8	I have a Super B Special which is 64.5/71/14 on my truck. When I had the stocker it wouldnt even try to spool until around 2300 rpm, I bought a stainless diesel manifold and now she starts to spool around 1500 rpm thats with my manifold and turbo in twin position. This was before the compounds. '07 Ram 3500 QCLB 4x4 5.9 Cummins 64.5/71/14 over a 75/86/91, Hamilton 103# Valve Springs, Arp Headstuds, Arp Injectorstuds, Hamilton Extremeduty Pushrods, GDP Fuel Boss, EFI Live, ATS Dual CP3, Exergy 150% Injectors, Rotating Assembly Balanced at 5k RPM, Valair Dual Disk Clutch (upgrade soon), AutoMeter Gauges and a heavy right foot.