Looking for info on factory A/W intercooler. - Competition Diesel.Com

admcummin · 03-09-2015, 08:28 PM

Can't seem to find anything searching, but I was wondering if anyone has info on the factory water to air ICs on the industrial motors. How much they flow and how much boost they can take?

CorneliusRox · 03-09-2015, 08:47 PM

You can snatch one or two off of a MaxForce15 (inter-stage cooling) and they are pretty damn stout. I don't think one is big enough to run alone, but two might be.

admcummin · 03-09-2015, 09:30 PM

I was talking about the factory 12v one that bolts where the intake plate normally goes. I've seen pictures of people running compounds into them just cant find any info.

yankneck696 · 03-10-2015, 09:25 AM

They are constructed very well. I would guess that 75 psi would not be a challenge. I would suggest a girdle machined to better clamp it to the intake. I have no idea of the flow numbers of it, or how much restriction it would introduce.
If you want to test it, clamp it to a plate & charge it with the max pressure you expect +25% for safety.

Ed

9724VF350 · 03-10-2015, 09:28 AM

While I've never put one on the flowbench, they sure appear to be very restrictive.

CorneliusRox · 03-10-2015, 09:58 AM

Pictures? I haven't seen one of these bad boys.

*Big Blue24* · 03-10-2015, 11:32 AM

I had one and sold it dirt cheap, it didn't interest me after seeing the restrictive cover vs small core of actual cooling. Add in that you have to run custom injection lines and it's not a cost effective upgrade.

admcummin · 03-10-2015, 01:14 PM

I have a chance to pic up a motor with lines and and cooler for 500 bucks. Be aide of all the negative feedback I might just use it for somthing else.

Signature600 · 03-10-2015, 01:22 PM

We ran one on a factory pump VE truck...Twins go to 80ish PSI, so I'm guessing pretty restrictive, but we haven't tested without it.

It's clicking off smoke free 12.30's, so we haven't worried about the restrictive intake, as we still need more fuel.

Chris

9724VF350 · 03-10-2015, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Signature600

We ran one on a factory pump VE truck...Twins go to 80ish PSI, so I'm guessing pretty restrictive, but we haven't tested without it.

It's clicking off smoke free 12.30's, so we haven't worried about the restrictive intake, as we still need more fuel.

Chris

Gauges before and after would provide some handy info.

Signature600 · 03-10-2015, 05:44 PM

Truck is at his place in Florida...we haven't done much since a few months after he got it running.

Chris

biggy238 · 03-10-2015, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CorneliusRox

You can snatch one or two off of a MaxForce15 (inter-stage cooling) and they are pretty damn stout. I don't think one is big enough to run alone, but two might be.

I've been speculating on those but where to get?

CorneliusRox · 03-10-2015, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by biggy238

I've been speculating on those but where to get?

I even had a few but they didn't make the cut for taking up space when moving from CO to MN last year...

Scrap trucks are the best option. One's that have been in accidents. Oh and they are no picnic to take off either. Bring some metric sockets, a knife, and some pry bars unless you want to take Everything off.

SuperiorRam · 03-11-2015, 05:30 PM

This one holds 90psi

CorneliusRox · 03-11-2015, 07:12 PM

That's a sexy pic, but I do feel bad for those injector lines with no support!

SuperiorRam · 03-11-2015, 07:18 PM

Ha ya got me on that one

admcummin · 03-11-2015, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperiorRam

This one holds 90psi

Have you measured the restriction with boost gauges on it? Or dynoed it?

SuperiorRam · 03-11-2015, 09:05 PM

No and no
The gauge tap is under the w2a. there is just too much going on when I'm on it to pay attention to get another gauge let alone compare two lol. it's a bit of a handful.
I have been thinking of changing things up with either interstage cooling or find a air to air that will fill the grill area (remove the whole grill) for a diffrent look on a first gen

okish · 03-11-2015, 09:55 PM

what about a 6cta 8.3 aftercooler or an aftercooler for a marine 6bt?

yankneck696 · 03-12-2015, 09:20 AM

That is the marine aftercooler for a 6bt.

Ed

03-09-2015, 08:28 PM	#1
admcummin Name: admcummin Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 222	Looking for info on factory A/W intercooler. Can't seem to find anything searching, but I was wondering if anyone has info on the factory water to air ICs on the industrial motors. How much they flow and how much boost they can take?

03-09-2015, 08:47 PM	#2
CorneliusRox Name: CorneliusRox Title: Seasoned Rookie Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Detroit, MI Member`s Gallery Posts: 4,154	You can snatch one or two off of a MaxForce15 (inter-stage cooling) and they are pretty damn stout. I don't think one is big enough to run alone, but two might be. __________________ Corey - BSME '21 Tesla Model 3 Perf '22 DMax AT4 2500

03-10-2015, 09:28 AM	#5
9724VF350 Name: 9724VF350 Title: Tractor Guy Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Northeast Ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,784	While I've never put one on the flowbench, they sure appear to be very restrictive. __________________ 97 F350 4X4 CC Dually 5spd 24V 913 S300/HT3B Ranch Hand. Playtoy-Oliver 1655. 12V now, 13mm, S475 Wife's ride-03 Excursion 12V swap in the works.

03-10-2015, 09:58 AM	#6
CorneliusRox Name: CorneliusRox Title: Seasoned Rookie Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Detroit, MI Member`s Gallery Posts: 4,154	Pictures? I haven't seen one of these bad boys. __________________ Corey - BSME '21 Tesla Model 3 Perf '22 DMax AT4 2500

03-10-2015, 11:32 AM	#7
Big Blue24 Name: Big Blue24 Title: Comp Diesel Sponsor Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cedar City, UT Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,310	I had one and sold it dirt cheap, it didn't interest me after seeing the restrictive cover vs small core of actual cooling. Add in that you have to run custom injection lines and it's not a cost effective upgrade. __________________ 95' 2wd Junker Drag Truck 1502 HP Fuel-Only 12mm P7100 Pump SXE 472 over GTX55 116mm OEM 12v Block

03-09-2015, 09:30 PM	#3
admcummin Name: admcummin Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 222	I was talking about the factory 12v one that bolts where the intake plate normally goes. I've seen pictures of people running compounds into them just cant find any info.

03-10-2015, 09:25 AM	#4
yankneck696 Name: yankneck696 Title: Master tinkerer Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kanab, UT Member`s Gallery Posts: 115	They are constructed very well. I would guess that 75 psi would not be a challenge. I would suggest a girdle machined to better clamp it to the intake. I have no idea of the flow numbers of it, or how much restriction it would introduce. If you want to test it, clamp it to a plate & charge it with the max pressure you expect +25% for safety. Ed

03-10-2015, 01:14 PM	#8
admcummin Name: admcummin Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2011 Member`s Gallery Posts: 222	I have a chance to pic up a motor with lines and and cooler for 500 bucks. Be aide of all the negative feedback I might just use it for somthing else.

03-10-2015, 01:22 PM	#9
Signature600 Name: Signature600 Title: THA MAN! Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Jeffersonville, Ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 11,975	We ran one on a factory pump VE truck...Twins go to 80ish PSI, so I'm guessing pretty restrictive, but we haven't tested without it. It's clicking off smoke free 12.30's, so we haven't worried about the restrictive intake, as we still need more fuel. Chris __________________ THANKS TO: Tim Barber @ TRE Diesel Jeff Mumau @ Mumau Diesel Service Rip @ Source Automotive Don Thuren @ ThurenFab Suspension Columbus Diesel Supply

03-10-2015, 05:44 PM	#11
Signature600 Name: Signature600 Title: THA MAN! Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Jeffersonville, Ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 11,975	Truck is at his place in Florida...we haven't done much since a few months after he got it running. Chris __________________ THANKS TO: Tim Barber @ TRE Diesel Jeff Mumau @ Mumau Diesel Service Rip @ Source Automotive Don Thuren @ ThurenFab Suspension Columbus Diesel Supply

03-11-2015, 05:30 PM	#14
SuperiorRam Name: SuperiorRam Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northern Minnesota Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,239	This one holds 90psi __________________ 97 12v 5spd 83 Grumman Olson bread van 4bt and a chev nv4500 83 RCSB 12V almost all the way in cab more fiberglass than steel SRT Challenger 6 speed

03-11-2015, 07:12 PM	#15
CorneliusRox Name: CorneliusRox Title: Seasoned Rookie Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Detroit, MI Member`s Gallery Posts: 4,154	That's a sexy pic, but I do feel bad for those injector lines with no support! __________________ Corey - BSME '21 Tesla Model 3 Perf '22 DMax AT4 2500

03-11-2015, 07:18 PM	#16
SuperiorRam Name: SuperiorRam Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northern Minnesota Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,239	Ha ya got me on that one __________________ 97 12v 5spd 83 Grumman Olson bread van 4bt and a chev nv4500 83 RCSB 12V almost all the way in cab more fiberglass than steel SRT Challenger 6 speed

03-11-2015, 09:05 PM	#18
SuperiorRam Name: SuperiorRam Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northern Minnesota Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,239	No and no The gauge tap is under the w2a. there is just too much going on when I'm on it to pay attention to get another gauge let alone compare two lol. it's a bit of a handful. I have been thinking of changing things up with either interstage cooling or find a air to air that will fill the grill area (remove the whole grill) for a diffrent look on a first gen __________________ 97 12v 5spd 83 Grumman Olson bread van 4bt and a chev nv4500 83 RCSB 12V almost all the way in cab more fiberglass than steel SRT Challenger 6 speed

03-11-2015, 09:55 PM	#19
okish Name: okish Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: East bay area Member`s Gallery Posts: 250	what about a 6cta 8.3 aftercooler or an aftercooler for a marine 6bt? __________________ 02 2500 4x4, PDI 3 piece, 62/68/14, 7x.010 +.010, Quad Adr, super low stall DTT Super Single, built 47re. Foreign Car Center Vallejo, CA

03-12-2015, 09:20 AM	#20
yankneck696 Name: yankneck696 Title: Master tinkerer Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kanab, UT Member`s Gallery Posts: 115	That is the marine aftercooler for a 6bt. Ed