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displacedtexan · 06-16-2009, 10:03 PM

HX35 ain't gonna live long with spray...

For 650 get a SO, big sticks, cam, and a 66

georgboy · 06-16-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BgBlDodge

No. I'm saying that you can reach 650hp without a dragon fire pump. The dragon fire will make more but it's not needed for his goal. And trying to spray nitrous or run a dragon fire pump on a stock turbo is about as dumb as covering yourself in cow blood and slapping a lion on the nose with a baseball bat.

Lol I know he is a buddy of mine Just pulling your truck around dude. He knows what to do next, he just wanted to know if he could run the dragon fire on the street with a stock turbo. I told him he is going to run even hotter if he got into it. I plan on helping him get it built up. He is aiming for more than 650 I will tell him that lol. Thanks guys for all the advice and help.

BgBlDodge · 06-16-2009, 10:16 PM

He'll probably run cooler due to to much fuel being dumped in there that it will put out the flame.

*TheNatural31* · 06-16-2009, 10:18 PM

Go with the SO.......

red dodge2 · 06-16-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BgBlDodge

trying to spray nitrous or run a dragon fire pump on a stock turbo is about as dumb as covering yourself in cow blood and slapping a lion on the nose with a baseball bat.

hahahahaha...thats a good one..

MurdaManDiesels · 06-17-2009, 06:35 AM

your being pretty arrogant BigBlDodge. itm not gonna keep running my stock turbo for long. just long enough to save some money to get a bigger one. but i guess you dont know what its like to have to save your money. looks like you have plenty of it by the way your talkin.

BgBlDodge · 06-17-2009, 09:25 AM

Nope. Been working on my truck for the last 8 years. I've been around the block, I've seen the results, I know what combos work, I know how these trucks react, and I've made enough mistakes to know what not to do. And I'm not being arrogant, I'm being blunt. Your wasting your money buy buying a dragon fire now and waiting to buy a turbo. For the cost of a dragon fire you can buy a big ass set of sticks and a nice 66mm turbo and have better driveability, better smoke control, and close to the power your looking for. And if that doesn't satisfy you then go and get your dragon fire. But don't buy it now and baby it till you get a turbo cause if there's one thing I've learned in this sport is that even though you may plan on buying something in a couple of weeks doesn't mean its going to happen.

BgBlDodge · 06-17-2009, 09:36 AM

Let's also not forget that if the dragon fire is like the monster pump then your injectors are probably to small for it and you might damage the pump and I'm pretty sure II won't warranty it for that.

There's a reason everyone is telling you not to do it. Its not because we are arrogant or jackass's or anything like that. Its because we all know the consequences of what your doing and the benefits don't even come close to outweighing the risks.

red dodge2 · 06-17-2009, 09:47 AM

he's got a good point, i would go get a turbo and a good set of sticks and then if that isnt enough, then go get the dragon fire.

BgBlDodge · 06-17-2009, 10:04 AM

Heck, you could run a set of 200-230hp sticks and slap an ht3b or an s400 under your stock turbo and have 600-620hp on fuel only. And that would cost close to the same as a dragon fire. Not to mention that when your VP goes out (which it will) you'll only have to spend a $1000 on an SO pump vs what, $2300 for a dragon fire?

Phooker · 06-17-2009, 11:08 AM

Tyler, who are we to give him advice? Why didn't you ask industrial? If you were truthful to them about it they should have told you the same thing we're telling you, NO. You will cook you're turbo.

globaltruck1 · 06-17-2009, 11:49 AM

Yea get your charger first! Way to much fuel out of the dragon. You can always send it back down the road and have it upgraded for the same price. You def would need new cross over tubes and biggers stix anyhow or they say the pump won't hold up.

displacedtexan · 06-17-2009, 02:57 PM

What is wrong with your HRVP that "needs work" I've never heard of a VP needing work. They either work or they don't.

IMO a better question would be "Do I need a Dragonfire for my goals?"

georgboy · 06-17-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by displacedtexan

What is wrong with your HRVP that "needs work" I've never heard of a VP needing work. They either work or they don't.

IMO a better question would be "Do I need a Dragonfire for my goals?"

The hrvp is acting just like the stock vp was before it went out, it is taking longer to crank in the mornings.

georgboy · 06-17-2009, 03:35 PM

On top of all this guys he has a 12 valve that he can drive around until he gets his turbo.

displacedtexan · 06-17-2009, 03:39 PM

If they are warranting it, I'd try to get a SO. But if he tapped it the warranty is gone so???

Regardless of turbo/injectors a Dragonfire is unnecessary. It's money that could be spent on a turbo, and better sticks.

BgBlDodge · 06-17-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by georgboy

The hrvp is acting just like the stock vp was before it went out, it is taking longer to crank in the mornings.

Usually they take longer to crank after they've been run for a while. Not first thing in the morning. Is he losing prime somewhere? How often does the truck get driven?

MurdaManDiesels · 06-17-2009, 05:53 PM

i drive it just about every day... and its still under warranty. so i need to decide to spend and extra 300 bucks now and get it. or spend 2300 when its out of warranty..

MurdaManDiesels · 06-17-2009, 05:56 PM

what exactly is an SO pump?

MAXTORQ · 06-17-2009, 06:00 PM

There are two versions of a VP in our trucks SO = standard output or HO = high output.

You can put a SO pump on a HO truck but not a HO pump on a SO truck won't work.

SO puts out more pressure.

06-16-2009, 10:03 PM	#21
displacedtexan Name: displacedtexan Title: $500 PREMIUM MEMBER Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mobilehoma Member`s Gallery Posts: 13,876	HX35 ain't gonna live long with spray... For 650 get a SO, big sticks, cam, and a 66 __________________ I talk loud.

06-16-2009, 10:16 PM	#23
BgBlDodge Name: BgBlDodge Title: Hates hippies Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: Buda, Tx Member`s Gallery Posts: 16,647	He'll probably run cooler due to to much fuel being dumped in there that it will put out the flame. __________________ 2003 Nissan 350z Touring 6mt 2000 4runner Limited Tyler Williams We have become educated beyond our intelligence. -Jerry Clower

06-16-2009, 10:18 PM	#24
TheNatural31 Name: TheNatural31 Title: Missing pieces..... Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Texas Member`s Gallery Posts: 848	Go with the SO....... __________________ Ronnie (830).201.4063 Visit us @ Altered Diesel Wurks Mumau Diesel

06-17-2009, 06:35 AM	#26
MurdaManDiesels Name: MurdaManDiesels Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Madison, Ga Member`s Gallery Posts: 68	your being pretty arrogant BigBlDodge. itm not gonna keep running my stock turbo for long. just long enough to save some money to get a bigger one. but i guess you dont know what its like to have to save your money. looks like you have plenty of it by the way your talkin. __________________ '00 2500 QCSB 4x4 Lowered- Drag Comp, .020 flycut pistons, hammilton 188/220, II Hrvp44, sps66, ARP studs, CPP 6x.014's, cpp 110# springs/hammilton push rods, Ported head, water meth, fass 150 and Beans sump, Fully built trans.

06-17-2009, 09:25 AM	#27
BgBlDodge Name: BgBlDodge Title: Hates hippies Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: Buda, Tx Member`s Gallery Posts: 16,647	Nope. Been working on my truck for the last 8 years. I've been around the block, I've seen the results, I know what combos work, I know how these trucks react, and I've made enough mistakes to know what not to do. And I'm not being arrogant, I'm being blunt. Your wasting your money buy buying a dragon fire now and waiting to buy a turbo. For the cost of a dragon fire you can buy a big ass set of sticks and a nice 66mm turbo and have better driveability, better smoke control, and close to the power your looking for. And if that doesn't satisfy you then go and get your dragon fire. But don't buy it now and baby it till you get a turbo cause if there's one thing I've learned in this sport is that even though you may plan on buying something in a couple of weeks doesn't mean its going to happen. __________________ 2003 Nissan 350z Touring 6mt 2000 4runner Limited Tyler Williams We have become educated beyond our intelligence. -Jerry Clower

06-17-2009, 09:36 AM	#28
BgBlDodge Name: BgBlDodge Title: Hates hippies Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: Buda, Tx Member`s Gallery Posts: 16,647	Let's also not forget that if the dragon fire is like the monster pump then your injectors are probably to small for it and you might damage the pump and I'm pretty sure II won't warranty it for that. There's a reason everyone is telling you not to do it. Its not because we are arrogant or jackass's or anything like that. Its because we all know the consequences of what your doing and the benefits don't even come close to outweighing the risks. __________________ 2003 Nissan 350z Touring 6mt 2000 4runner Limited Tyler Williams We have become educated beyond our intelligence. -Jerry Clower

06-17-2009, 09:47 AM	#29
red dodge2 Name: red dodge2 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ireland, Indiana Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,803	he's got a good point, i would go get a turbo and a good set of sticks and then if that isnt enough, then go get the dragon fire. __________________ Sunday driver: 01 6psd laramie Tow rig: 2022 ram 3500 Laramie puller: 97 3.6 pro stock diesel truck "CUMMIN ATCHA" thanks to: Puredieselpower, Haisley Machine, Miley machine & fabrication, Northeast Diesel

06-17-2009, 10:04 AM	#30
BgBlDodge Name: BgBlDodge Title: Hates hippies Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: Buda, Tx Member`s Gallery Posts: 16,647	Heck, you could run a set of 200-230hp sticks and slap an ht3b or an s400 under your stock turbo and have 600-620hp on fuel only. And that would cost close to the same as a dragon fire. Not to mention that when your VP goes out (which it will) you'll only have to spend a $1000 on an SO pump vs what, $2300 for a dragon fire? __________________ 2003 Nissan 350z Touring 6mt 2000 4runner Limited Tyler Williams We have become educated beyond our intelligence. -Jerry Clower

06-17-2009, 11:08 AM	#31
Phooker Name: Phooker Title: Gluten Free Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lake Charles, La Member`s Gallery Posts: 7,467	Tyler, who are we to give him advice? Why didn't you ask industrial? If you were truthful to them about it they should have told you the same thing we're telling you, NO. You will cook you're turbo.

06-17-2009, 11:49 AM	#32
globaltruck1 Name: globaltruck1 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2009 Location: FROSTBURG MD Member`s Gallery Posts: 634	Yea get your charger first! Way to much fuel out of the dragon. You can always send it back down the road and have it upgraded for the same price. You def would need new cross over tubes and biggers stix anyhow or they say the pump won't hold up. __________________ 04.5 Twined, Big Don M's Roll Caged and ready! 00 DRAGON FIRE VP 6X16'S, SILVER BULLET, MAX SPOOL 2.5++, SBC DD3600 Deceased!!

06-17-2009, 02:57 PM	#33
displacedtexan Name: displacedtexan Title: $500 PREMIUM MEMBER Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mobilehoma Member`s Gallery Posts: 13,876	What is wrong with your HRVP that "needs work" I've never heard of a VP needing work. They either work or they don't. IMO a better question would be "Do I need a Dragonfire for my goals?" __________________ I talk loud.

06-17-2009, 03:35 PM	#35
georgboy Name: georgboy Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2008 Member`s Gallery Posts: 232	On top of all this guys he has a 12 valve that he can drive around until he gets his turbo. __________________ 05 DODGE 2500,4X4,3.73,BOOST FOOLER,ISSPRO GAUGES,BDTD{SCARY LARRY},EDGE EZ,AEM BRUTE FORCE,SILENCER RING MIA,STRAIGHT PIPE,SOUTH BEND 3600 DUAL DISC CLUTCH.BIGGER INJECTORS. 551/1074 STOCK TURBO, STOCK CP3, STOCK LIFT PUMP.

06-17-2009, 03:39 PM	#36
displacedtexan Name: displacedtexan Title: $500 PREMIUM MEMBER Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mobilehoma Member`s Gallery Posts: 13,876	If they are warranting it, I'd try to get a SO. But if he tapped it the warranty is gone so??? Regardless of turbo/injectors a Dragonfire is unnecessary. It's money that could be spent on a turbo, and better sticks. __________________ I talk loud.

06-17-2009, 05:53 PM	#38
MurdaManDiesels Name: MurdaManDiesels Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Madison, Ga Member`s Gallery Posts: 68	i drive it just about every day... and its still under warranty. so i need to decide to spend and extra 300 bucks now and get it. or spend 2300 when its out of warranty.. __________________ '00 2500 QCSB 4x4 Lowered- Drag Comp, .020 flycut pistons, hammilton 188/220, II Hrvp44, sps66, ARP studs, CPP 6x.014's, cpp 110# springs/hammilton push rods, Ported head, water meth, fass 150 and Beans sump, Fully built trans.

06-17-2009, 05:56 PM	#39
MurdaManDiesels Name: MurdaManDiesels Title: Green Behind the Ears Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Madison, Ga Member`s Gallery Posts: 68	what exactly is an SO pump? __________________ '00 2500 QCSB 4x4 Lowered- Drag Comp, .020 flycut pistons, hammilton 188/220, II Hrvp44, sps66, ARP studs, CPP 6x.014's, cpp 110# springs/hammilton push rods, Ported head, water meth, fass 150 and Beans sump, Fully built trans.

06-17-2009, 06:00 PM	#40
MAXTORQ Name: MAXTORQ Title: Drop by, beers on me ! Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Golden,Colorado Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,566	There are two versions of a VP in our trucks SO = standard output or HO = high output. You can put a SO pump on a HO truck but not a HO pump on a SO truck won't work. SO puts out more pressure.