New starter, stick with OEM? - Competition Diesel.Com

madmikeismad · 10-19-2013, 06:12 PM

My starter has been on its way out since TS. Now it's starting about 1 in 15 tries, nothing more than a click. I think it's time for a new one.

Is there a decent starter worth spending money on, or just pick up the cheapo from oreillys/autozone/napa?

Jim Fulmer · 10-19-2013, 09:50 PM

O'Reilly's or other for the lifetime warranty, the small wire stud is prone to breaking internally when you break it loose, been there a few times.

Jim

99GreenCummins · 10-19-2013, 10:43 PM

Napa reman has been doing the job for me.

madmikeismad · 10-19-2013, 11:05 PM

Roger that, thanks guys.

EDIT: On 2nd thought, the re-mans are only a few bucks cheaper than the new ones, except the super cheap one from autozone. I'll probably just get a new one.

But before I do anything, with the symptoms I mentioned, is there any chance its anything else? Contacts or anything?

Cummins610 · 10-19-2013, 11:31 PM

Mean Green, supposed to be super, no long term experience though..

madmikeismad · 10-19-2013, 11:41 PM

Never heard of that, hopefully google knows.

12vriviera · 10-19-2013, 11:44 PM

Yes to the contacts, a few dollars at any starter shop.
Pull apart solenoid and replace, good for another 100k.

madmikeismad · 10-19-2013, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cummins610

Mean Green, supposed to be super, no long term experience though..

Found this, looks really good. Gotta try to find a better deal though.

Mean Green Gear Reduction Starter 7548

Quote:

Originally Posted by 24vriviera

Yes to the contacts, a few dollars at any starter shop.
Pull apart solenoid and replace, good for another 100k.

I can't remember ever seeing a "starter" shop. Where can you get just the solenoid? I can't seem to find it by itself.

Found this also, I've been wanting a stronger alternator for a while now.
Mean Green High Output Alternator 1331

4thesporty · 10-20-2013, 12:05 AM

larryb's

rebuild it yourself, it will last 100k plus

edit Larryb - LarryB's Cummins Dodge Denso Starter EASY rebuild kit 94-06

12vriviera · 10-20-2013, 12:08 AM

Shop that rebuild starters and alternators.. You have one local, if we do, then you do...

madmikeismad · 10-20-2013, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4thesporty

larryb's

rebuild it yourself, it will last 100k plus

edit Larryb - LarryB's Cummins Dodge Denso Starter EASY rebuild kit 94-06

I like that, I'll try it first, that way I'm only out 60 bucks if I mess it up with my lack of expertise.

Should I bother with this kit, or just the "easy" one?

Larryb - LarryB's Cummins Dodge Denso Starter COMPLETE rebuild kit 94-06

Quote:

Originally Posted by 24vriviera

Shop that rebuild starters and alternators.. You have one local, if we do, then you do...

No doubt, OKC has a lot of stuff, its just me not being from here.

4thesporty · 10-20-2013, 12:26 AM

if the starter is just clicking when you hit it, its probably just the contacts. Its up to you how much stuff you want to replace though. Either way, its easy to do.

madmikeismad · 10-20-2013, 12:31 AM

Yeah, I've never had one apart before, just curious how long the bearings lasted and if they were worth replacing.

madmikeismad · 10-22-2013, 02:54 PM

Ended up going with larry b's kit, just can't justify the mean green starter, although I was on the fence for the last 3 days about it. I think I'm definitely getting the mean green alternator though when the time comes. That would be nice for running the trailer winch and aux lighting and such.

Larrybs Cummins Dodge Denso Starter Easy Rebuild Kit 94 06 | eBay

madmikeismad · 10-27-2013, 04:30 PM

What justifies a bad contact? These ones didn't look that bad. also I don't know where the washer came from

I was going to do the brush kit too but when I saw it required soldering, i changed my mind.

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madmikeismad · 10-27-2013, 04:32 PM

Also, the stud that the little wire connects to is pulling out of the starter body, along with the soft plug its part of. Is it ok to just glue/rtv that back in?

Scooter's Roofing · 10-27-2013, 06:15 PM

I only run OEM on diesels. The original lasts 100-400k, so why run something else? A lifetime warranty doesn't mean squat when you're laying on the ground in a parking lot for the fifth time getting ready to warranty it out for another POS

madmikeismad · 12-20-2013, 11:15 PM

So starter crapped out again. Now it clicks once and is done. I can get it cranking by jumping the two terminals on the starter body, but it doesn't seem to spin fast enough to start the truck. power is not an issue, verified that already.

Probably just gonna get a napa in the morning. And of course this happens in an ice storm.

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madmikeismad · 12-21-2013, 12:49 AM

I should add the click is real faint. The dash lights won't even dim.

Why would it start when jumped, but not with the ignition?

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6spdCR · 12-21-2013, 07:05 PM

You went the cheap route and it cost you $60 and your time. Learn from that, put in a new factory starter and be done with it. I have been dealing with major Quality control issues from all aftermarket electronics companies lately.

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10-19-2013, 06:12 PM	#1
madmikeismad Name: madmikeismad Title: So mad Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Newalla, OK Member`s Gallery Posts: 14,347	New starter, stick with OEM? My starter has been on its way out since TS. Now it's starting about 1 in 15 tries, nothing more than a click. I think it's time for a new one. Is there a decent starter worth spending money on, or just pick up the cheapo from oreillys/autozone/napa? __________________ Mike Hill

10-19-2013, 09:50 PM	#2
Jim Fulmer Name: Jim Fulmer Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2006 Location: Quanah Tx. Member`s Gallery Posts: 5,013	O'Reilly's or other for the lifetime warranty, the small wire stud is prone to breaking internally when you break it loose, been there a few times. Jim __________________ 01' 12V, S/B, Q/C, 4WD 98' 12V, S/B, Q/C, 2WD

10-19-2013, 10:43 PM	#3
99GreenCummins Name: 99GreenCummins Title: That guy.... Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Marietta, Ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,387	Napa reman has been doing the job for me. __________________ Todd Some farm trucks 2014 Ram 3500 19.5s, aisin 1999 Ram 2500,6 spd, typical mods

10-19-2013, 11:05 PM	#4
madmikeismad Name: madmikeismad Title: So mad Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Newalla, OK Member`s Gallery Posts: 14,347	Roger that, thanks guys. EDIT: On 2nd thought, the re-mans are only a few bucks cheaper than the new ones, except the super cheap one from autozone. I'll probably just get a new one. But before I do anything, with the symptoms I mentioned, is there any chance its anything else? Contacts or anything? __________________ Mike Hill Last edited by madmikeismad; 10-19-2013 at 11:19 PM.

10-19-2013, 11:31 PM	#5
Cummins610 Name: Cummins610 Title: Rookie Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alberta Member`s Gallery Posts: 455	New starter, stick with OEM? Mean Green, supposed to be super, no long term experience though.. __________________ 2005 CR - 1389hp with spray, S4 Single Last edited by Cummins610; 10-19-2013 at 11:39 PM.

10-19-2013, 11:41 PM	#6
madmikeismad Name: madmikeismad Title: So mad Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Newalla, OK Member`s Gallery Posts: 14,347	Never heard of that, hopefully google knows. __________________ Mike Hill

10-19-2013, 11:44 PM	#7
12vriviera Name: 12vriviera Title: That Guy with that car Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: north texas Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,846	Yes to the contacts, a few dollars at any starter shop. Pull apart solenoid and replace, good for another 100k. __________________ Brandon Carr. Owner of the 24V RIV Competition Diesel.Com - Bringing The BEST Together I am a pushover https://www.facebook.com/#!/24VRIVIERA

10-20-2013, 12:05 AM	#9
4thesporty Name: 4thesporty Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Burleson, TX Member`s Gallery Posts: 395	larryb's rebuild it yourself, it will last 100k plus edit Larryb - LarryB's Cummins Dodge Denso Starter EASY rebuild kit 94-06 __________________ Adam Couple of diesels, a tow rig and a commuter. Last edited by 4thesporty; 10-20-2013 at 12:08 AM.

10-20-2013, 12:08 AM	#10
12vriviera Name: 12vriviera Title: That Guy with that car Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: north texas Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,846	Shop that rebuild starters and alternators.. You have one local, if we do, then you do... __________________ Brandon Carr. Owner of the 24V RIV Competition Diesel.Com - Bringing The BEST Together I am a pushover https://www.facebook.com/#!/24VRIVIERA

10-20-2013, 12:26 AM	#12
4thesporty Name: 4thesporty Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Burleson, TX Member`s Gallery Posts: 395	if the starter is just clicking when you hit it, its probably just the contacts. Its up to you how much stuff you want to replace though. Either way, its easy to do. __________________ Adam Couple of diesels, a tow rig and a commuter.

10-20-2013, 12:31 AM	#13
madmikeismad Name: madmikeismad Title: So mad Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Newalla, OK Member`s Gallery Posts: 14,347	Yeah, I've never had one apart before, just curious how long the bearings lasted and if they were worth replacing. __________________ Mike Hill

10-22-2013, 02:54 PM	#14
madmikeismad Name: madmikeismad Title: So mad Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Newalla, OK Member`s Gallery Posts: 14,347	Ended up going with larry b's kit, just can't justify the mean green starter, although I was on the fence for the last 3 days about it. I think I'm definitely getting the mean green alternator though when the time comes. That would be nice for running the trailer winch and aux lighting and such. Larrybs Cummins Dodge Denso Starter Easy Rebuild Kit 94 06 \| eBay __________________ Mike Hill

10-27-2013, 04:30 PM	#15
madmikeismad Name: madmikeismad Title: So mad Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Newalla, OK Member`s Gallery Posts: 14,347	What justifies a bad contact? These ones didn't look that bad. also I don't know where the washer came from I was going to do the brush kit too but when I saw it required soldering, i changed my mind. Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk __________________ Mike Hill

10-27-2013, 04:32 PM	#16
madmikeismad Name: madmikeismad Title: So mad Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Newalla, OK Member`s Gallery Posts: 14,347	Also, the stud that the little wire connects to is pulling out of the starter body, along with the soft plug its part of. Is it ok to just glue/rtv that back in? __________________ Mike Hill

10-27-2013, 06:15 PM	#17
Scooter's Roofing Name: Scooter's Roofing Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2006 Member`s Gallery Posts: 17,007	I only run OEM on diesels. The original lasts 100-400k, so why run something else? A lifetime warranty doesn't mean squat when you're laying on the ground in a parking lot for the fifth time getting ready to warranty it out for another POS

12-20-2013, 11:15 PM	#18
madmikeismad Name: madmikeismad Title: So mad Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Newalla, OK Member`s Gallery Posts: 14,347	So starter crapped out again. Now it clicks once and is done. I can get it cranking by jumping the two terminals on the starter body, but it doesn't seem to spin fast enough to start the truck. power is not an issue, verified that already. Probably just gonna get a napa in the morning. And of course this happens in an ice storm. Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk __________________ Mike Hill

12-21-2013, 12:49 AM	#19
madmikeismad Name: madmikeismad Title: So mad Status: Not Here Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Newalla, OK Member`s Gallery Posts: 14,347	I should add the click is real faint. The dash lights won't even dim. Why would it start when jumped, but not with the ignition? Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk __________________ Mike Hill

12-21-2013, 07:05 PM	#20
6spdCR Name: 6spdCR Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2011 Location: Somerset, MA Member`s Gallery Posts: 174	You went the cheap route and it cost you $60 and your time. Learn from that, put in a new factory starter and be done with it. I have been dealing with major Quality control issues from all aftermarket electronics companies lately. Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 2 __________________ 2003 Dodge QCSB 4x4,NV5600,TST box,TST box Flux3.5s VGT 60/74 overS475 compounds,SB3250 clutch,dual walbro pumps, dual CP3s,Banks intercooler, Lowered 3"front 4"rear, bilstiens, Nitto 285/75-16 Duras Last edited by 6spdCR; 12-21-2013 at 07:06 PM.