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Rods · 08-12-2008, 08:47 PM

What r u guys running ? So far I'v been on 25 20 and now 28 so far I couldnt tell much cept the low end was better on 20 . I'v been chasing a boost problem I couldnt get over 40lbs of boost no matter what I did went from 191 to full cuts nothing , changed timing nothing changed pop nothing even changed turbos and moved plate nothing cept a drop in egts ..SO the other day I had a friend check something while I was free reving to 2000 rpm I hit my water and it started pouring out of the bottom intake in about a 6 in long area next to the head so I hope thats were its going... Now on timing I here some say they white smoke at idle and such mine does neither not yet I was wondering were the max is for a stock cam and such when to much timing is doing nothing

roachie · 08-12-2008, 08:54 PM

Im only at 16ish.

Rods · 08-12-2008, 08:56 PM

And u have a cam ??

Rods · 08-12-2008, 09:00 PM

Also I noticed that with the plate all the way back the arm would hit the lip on the foot of a 100 plate , slid it half way foward and the arm is going under the foot and stoping about halfway , I thought they went above the foot or am I wrong ??

roachie · 08-12-2008, 09:09 PM

Yes I have a cam. I can get 55psi out of my setup. What turbo do you have? The gove arm should be above the foot.

coady · 08-12-2008, 09:17 PM

try anywhere form 18 to 26 on the timing, that is what i have read on here a lot of people have been running

Rods · 08-12-2008, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roachie

Yes I have a cam. I can get 55psi out of my setup. What turbo do you have? The gove arm should be above the foot.

I have a few 2.5 chargers I'v been swapping in and out , when the VP was on I was hitting 60+lbs , I hope this gasket is it

How can I get the foot were its supposed to b , is that in the adjustment arm in back ?

Bosshawg600 · 08-12-2008, 09:23 PM

got mine set at 20*, I runs great and spools a 71mm turbo to 60 no problem. I would like to bump it up a bit thoug, just to see were it realy likes it!

Rods · 08-12-2008, 09:28 PM

Mine feels great the more Rs it turns the needle lays on the peg for a few more R then it cuts out , I may turn it a click , last firday on the pull trac it started to cut out but when the sled box it they fell some but I was still peging the needle , I hope the V8 dash works this week

*dzlfarmboy* · 08-13-2008, 06:47 AM

The Gasser tach works like a drop in replacment. And to get the arm to hit above the plate foot with it slid up further, you'll need to make an adjustment in the back of the pump. It's the one on the left side, not the right.

*GOT-Torque* · 08-13-2008, 09:55 AM

As the arm comes forward with rack travel, does it also rise upwards with rpm? I noticed when my pump was on the bench, with the plate all the way back, the arm would just touch the bottom corner of the plate and then go under. My question is once this thing is running, will the arm sit alittle higher and not go under the plate anymore or do I need to adjust it?

Tate · 08-14-2008, 12:20 AM

The arm does rise with RPM, but how much, I'm not sure. I've heard of adjusting the gov. arm while the engine is running, but that scares the **** out of me, really don't want to drop something while the pump is spinning.

Rods · 08-14-2008, 06:37 PM

Well I couldnt get the back cover off , Is there a special tool for that ? I just saw the 2 bolt type heads but they were solid round with like a 1/8 hole through them so I took the plate and ground down the bottom side low enogh the arm started to work like its supposed , now its pretty much all the way back and the arm is riding on top but its still to much fuel it wont get over 1400 on egts , so I'm going to drop around 50% on my injector size

*BluegrassDiesel* · 08-15-2008, 12:43 AM

What size injectors you running Rodney?

Rods · 08-15-2008, 05:11 AM

7x14 but they have alot of lift and a few other tweaks they flow like a 7x18 when u call for fuel

Signal 73 · 08-15-2008, 05:48 PM

rear cover bolts are flat head #3 size. Put a bit in a 1/4" socket on a 1/4" ratchet and you will be able to get it off easily.
Tape the screwdriver bit into the socket so it does not fall out.

ILLINOISRAM · 08-15-2008, 06:49 PM

Wow 7x14. that is decent size. I was going to run the same size but the laser guy said he didnt reccommend 7 hole tips for p-pump applications. I went with 6x18 with lift and pintle work and extrude honed bodies. I dont have the motor in the truck yet, but hopefully it will be ready to run by schieds. My pump is internally timed at 25* Tim

Rods · 08-18-2008, 10:25 PM

Well I changed the tips today went with a 7x10 and still 40lbs so I went to LOWES and got some plugs to pressure test the system , while I went to pull the boot off that connects the turbo to the piping I saw a hole in the back side after prying the boot off it has a 2in long rip 1/2 in wide hole, so I put a stock one on and took it down the road and boost was up to 50+ almost instantly then the clutch would slip , one down side to the weighted , so now after a few weeks here of beating my head I hope its coming around , and the V8 dash works great

08-12-2008, 08:47 PM	#1
Rods Name: Rods Title: Turbo Crasher Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Scottsville Ky Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,972	Timing ? and plates What r u guys running ? So far I'v been on 25 20 and now 28 so far I couldnt tell much cept the low end was better on 20 . I'v been chasing a boost problem I couldnt get over 40lbs of boost no matter what I did went from 191 to full cuts nothing , changed timing nothing changed pop nothing even changed turbos and moved plate nothing cept a drop in egts ..SO the other day I had a friend check something while I was free reving to 2000 rpm I hit my water and it started pouring out of the bottom intake in about a 6 in long area next to the head so I hope thats were its going... Now on timing I here some say they white smoke at idle and such mine does neither not yet I was wondering were the max is for a stock cam and such when to much timing is doing nothing Last edited by Rods; 08-12-2008 at 08:58 PM.

08-12-2008, 08:54 PM	#2
roachie Name: roachie Title: Taco Master Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East TN Member`s Gallery Posts: 11,133	Im only at 16ish. __________________ 99 F250____sold (to a ninja) 01 F250____Mexican F150 04 F350____Fat boy

08-12-2008, 09:09 PM	#5
roachie Name: roachie Title: Taco Master Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East TN Member`s Gallery Posts: 11,133	Yes I have a cam. I can get 55psi out of my setup. What turbo do you have? The gove arm should be above the foot. __________________ 99 F250____sold (to a ninja) 01 F250____Mexican F150 04 F350____Fat boy

08-12-2008, 09:17 PM	#6
coady Name: coady Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Granite City IL Member`s Gallery Posts: 271	try anywhere form 18 to 26 on the timing, that is what i have read on here a lot of people have been running __________________ Daily Driver---08 silverado 4 door, bone stock

08-12-2008, 09:23 PM	#8
Bosshawg600 Name: Bosshawg600 Title: PDP.com FireFighter Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Monticello,In Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,651	got mine set at 20*, I runs great and spools a 71mm turbo to 60 no problem. I would like to bump it up a bit thoug, just to see were it realy likes it! __________________ 2011 Ram Mega, Because my old bones need Comfort!

08-12-2008, 08:56 PM	#3
Rods Name: Rods Title: Turbo Crasher Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Scottsville Ky Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,972	And u have a cam ??

08-12-2008, 09:00 PM	#4
Rods Name: Rods Title: Turbo Crasher Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Scottsville Ky Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,972	Also I noticed that with the plate all the way back the arm would hit the lip on the foot of a 100 plate , slid it half way foward and the arm is going under the foot and stoping about halfway , I thought they went above the foot or am I wrong ??

08-12-2008, 09:28 PM	#9
Rods Name: Rods Title: Turbo Crasher Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Scottsville Ky Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,972	Mine feels great the more Rs it turns the needle lays on the peg for a few more R then it cuts out , I may turn it a click , last firday on the pull trac it started to cut out but when the sled box it they fell some but I was still peging the needle , I hope the V8 dash works this week

08-13-2008, 06:47 AM	#10
dzlfarmboy Name: dzlfarmboy Title: Supporting Vendor Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,448	The Gasser tach works like a drop in replacment. And to get the arm to hit above the plate foot with it slid up further, you'll need to make an adjustment in the back of the pump. It's the one on the left side, not the right. __________________ *F1 Diesel,HTT,Goerend Trans,410-490-6075*

08-13-2008, 09:55 AM	#11
GOT-Torque Name: GOT-Torque Title: is Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Falls City, NE Member`s Gallery Posts: 5,284	As the arm comes forward with rack travel, does it also rise upwards with rpm? I noticed when my pump was on the bench, with the plate all the way back, the arm would just touch the bottom corner of the plate and then go under. My question is once this thing is running, will the arm sit alittle higher and not go under the plate anymore or do I need to adjust it? __________________ "Enjoy the little things in life, because one day you will look back, and realize they were the big things" EATSOOT.com

08-14-2008, 12:20 AM	#12
Tate Name: Tate Title: What? Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Airdrie, Alberta Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,419	The arm does rise with RPM, but how much, I'm not sure. I've heard of adjusting the gov. arm while the engine is running, but that scares the **** out of me, really don't want to drop something while the pump is spinning. __________________ '98 3500 2wd, 24v, 5 spd, p-pumped '98 2500 4wd, 12v, 6 spd, VP'd '02 VW Jetta, 5 spd. My p-pump conversion pics

08-14-2008, 06:37 PM	#13
Rods Name: Rods Title: Turbo Crasher Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Scottsville Ky Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,972	Well I couldnt get the back cover off , Is there a special tool for that ? I just saw the 2 bolt type heads but they were solid round with like a 1/8 hole through them so I took the plate and ground down the bottom side low enogh the arm started to work like its supposed , now its pretty much all the way back and the arm is riding on top but its still to much fuel it wont get over 1400 on egts , so I'm going to drop around 50% on my injector size

08-15-2008, 12:43 AM	#14
BluegrassDiesel Name: BluegrassDiesel Title: UK2K! Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KENTUCKY Member`s Gallery Posts: 4,136	What size injectors you running Rodney? __________________ Josh Land Bluegrass Diesel Performance Lancaster, Ky SHOP ONLINE @ http://WWW.SHOPBLUEGRASS.COM 97 DodgePPL Limited Pro Stock "The Crippler" 09 3500 GMC CCDually 05 Silverado SS

08-15-2008, 05:11 AM	#15
Rods Name: Rods Title: Turbo Crasher Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Scottsville Ky Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,972	7x14 but they have alot of lift and a few other tweaks they flow like a 7x18 when u call for fuel

08-15-2008, 05:48 PM	#16
Signal 73 Name: Signal 73 Title: #2 is #1 Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Connecticut Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,124	rear cover bolts are flat head #3 size. Put a bit in a 1/4" socket on a 1/4" ratchet and you will be able to get it off easily. Tape the screwdriver bit into the socket so it does not fall out. __________________ 96 2500 5sp CTD 04 Jetta TDI 51 M37/4BT/NV4500

08-15-2008, 06:49 PM	#17
ILLINOISRAM Name: ILLINOISRAM Title: INLINE INSANITY Status: Not Here Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lane IL Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,891	Wow 7x14. that is decent size. I was going to run the same size but the laser guy said he didnt reccommend 7 hole tips for p-pump applications. I went with 6x18 with lift and pintle work and extrude honed bodies. I dont have the motor in the truck yet, but hopefully it will be ready to run by schieds. My pump is internally timed at 25* Tim __________________ 99 DODGE 2500 P-PUMP 24v. Hamilton valvetrain, Northeast Diesel fuel and alot of other parts put together.

08-18-2008, 10:25 PM	#18
Rods Name: Rods Title: Turbo Crasher Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Scottsville Ky Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,972	Well I changed the tips today went with a 7x10 and still 40lbs so I went to LOWES and got some plugs to pressure test the system , while I went to pull the boot off that connects the turbo to the piping I saw a hole in the back side after prying the boot off it has a 2in long rip 1/2 in wide hole, so I put a stock one on and took it down the road and boost was up to 50+ almost instantly then the clutch would slip , one down side to the weighted , so now after a few weeks here of beating my head I hope its coming around , and the V8 dash works great