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Subman631 · 12-11-2009, 12:37 AM

I think they are meeting tomorrow to decide what the rules will be. I think a weight increase in inevitable. Not sure about slicks though, they are not legal on the street. Probably let the 2 wheel drive have them but not the 4? Some weight difference but not too much between the two. You can't hook a 2 wheel drive truck on street legal tires and have it competitive in that class. But on the other hand, you can't give the 2 wheel drive trucks too much of a weight advantage if you let them have slicks.

01quadcab · 12-11-2009, 01:23 AM

it really depends on your definition of "street" tires is because a good set of dot approved cheater slicks can work just fine.

Subman631 · 12-11-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 01quadcab

it really depends on your definition of "street" tires is because a good set of dot approved cheater slicks can work just fine.

What do you consider a good set, we have MT's and can't cut the 60's with them we can the full out slicks. Probably at about 2/10's difference in ET

01quadcab · 12-11-2009, 10:09 PM

m&h makes some good ones

Subman631 · 12-11-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 01quadcab

m&h makes some good ones

Is that the ones with the really soft thin side walls?

pbft · 12-12-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Subman631

Is that the ones with the really soft thin side walls?

I use M&H DOT Cheater Slicks, 30/14.0-16LT. I started using tubes after the Fallon race due to a small, sharp rock that put a hole in one of my brand new slicks. This did allow me to run a lower pressure because the sidewalls were stiffer. Overall, the tire pressures remained more consistant over a day of racing and gave me a little better consistancy. It took a while to find the best pressure but I ending up running something around 17 PSI. At 17 without tubes the back end of the truck felt like it was walking around on me. I have to do a hard burnout to get them hot enough to hook up.

Jim

01quadcab · 12-12-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pbft

I use M&H DOT Cheater Slicks, 30/14.0-16LT. I started using tubes after the Fallon race due to a small, sharp rock that put a hole in one of my brand new slicks. This did allow me to run a lower pressure because the sidewalls were stiffer. Overall, the tire pressures remained more consistant over a day of racing and gave me a little better consistancy. It took a while to find the best pressure but I ending up running something around 17 PSI. At 17 without tubes the back end of the truck felt like it was walking around on me. I have to do a hard burnout to get them hot enough to hook up.

Jim

I remember that you had to run street tires and didn't do so hot. I always ran tubes with my slicks. Did you screw the slick in the rim too?

pbft · 12-13-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 01quadcab

I remember that you had to run street tires and didn't do so hot. I always ran tubes with my slicks. Did you screw the slick in the rim too?

Fallon was fun, trying to run with street tires. I was told that on one of my qual runs I smoked the tires all the way to the 1/8th. Interesting day. Historicly, I started out with 26" BFGs on 8" rims. Then I ran 28" Hoosiers on those rims. Not using bead lock screws I spun the tires on the rims. Then I switched to the 30" M&Hs on 10" rims. I have 8 screws on each side of the rim, no more tire movement. I got the screw kit from Summit.

Jim

Dockboy · 12-13-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Twisted Shifter

We are close, every time we think we have it, we find something that we are not sure on ..... understand that this is a daily evolution and we are doing our best to get it finalized and out to the "troops" asap.

Any updates Chris?

NHRDA · 12-13-2009, 12:31 PM

Dockboy · 12-13-2009, 12:46 PM

Well............................

I guess I'm out of Super Street even though I weigh 7500 lbs.

"Fuel Tank must be in stock location. (Fuel Cells prohibited)"

I have no desire to race ET Bracket and can't compete in Pro Street. Not looking good for me.

And to think, I had plans to move my batteries to the bed this winter also

syrupdawg · 12-13-2009, 01:05 PM

well im glad i held off on doing both the fuel cell and moving the batteries last week. I almost bought the fuel cell and was going to move the batteries when i did the fuel cell.

cranked_dodge · 12-14-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dockboy

Well............................

I guess I'm out of Super Street even though I weigh 7500 lbs.

"Fuel Tank must be in stock location. (Fuel Cells prohibited)"

I have no desire to race ET Bracket and can't compete in Pro Street. Not looking good for me.

And to think, I had plans to move my batteries to the bed this winter also

Put the batteries in the bed...

And why cant you compete in pro street. How many times do the faster trucks even make it through a day of racing there is no reason why you cant compete in pro street and still do good.

Dockboy · 12-14-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cranked_dodge

Put the batteries in the bed...

And why cant you compete in pro street. How many times do the faster trucks even make it through a day of racing there is no reason why you cant compete in pro street and still do good.

I will still show up

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Originally Posted by Dockboy

I will still show up at NHRDA races and race in whatever class I get put in, but I can also race my truck the way it is every other weekend in a NHRA based Super Street 10.90.

neilden · 12-14-2009, 11:21 PM

What is the time range for ET or is it just open on both ends?

Twisted Shifter · 12-14-2009, 11:25 PM

No time limits on ET

neilden · 12-14-2009, 11:29 PM

Oooooooo This Is Going To Be Fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Toolman* · 12-15-2009, 11:47 AM

It looks like my truck still falls in no mans land too. It doesn't fit in Super Street and I am not going to run with the 20 sec trucks in ET it is just to hard on the converter and trans. Well maybe next year there will be a place for the 11.00 and 12 sec trucks

cranked_dodge · 12-15-2009, 02:12 PM

Wow everyone wanted changes what everyone got was changes and people are still not happy.

Your 11.00 - 12.00 second truck can win super street. Show up to races and go rounds, thats what makes you win.

Twisted Shifter · 12-15-2009, 03:18 PM

98% of all the trucks that ran in SS for 2009 ran 11.4 to 12.2. With the new rules you are going to have less than 1% running in the 10's or faster.

As a driver in ET, part of your job is know the dial of the guy in the other lane. If he has a 5 second start on you, then you need to adjust accordingly.

12-11-2009, 12:37 AM	#281
Subman631 Name: Subman631 Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Madras, Oregon, Pahrump NV Member`s Gallery Posts: 4,311	I think they are meeting tomorrow to decide what the rules will be. I think a weight increase in inevitable. Not sure about slicks though, they are not legal on the street. Probably let the 2 wheel drive have them but not the 4? Some weight difference but not too much between the two. You can't hook a 2 wheel drive truck on street legal tires and have it competitive in that class. But on the other hand, you can't give the 2 wheel drive trucks too much of a weight advantage if you let them have slicks. __________________ 2007 LBZ Classic Idaho Rob ATP tuning, MPI twin turbos.

12-11-2009, 01:23 AM	#282
01quadcab Name: 01quadcab Title: Just a slow VP truck Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Redding Member`s Gallery Posts: 315	it really depends on your definition of "street" tires is because a good set of dot approved cheater slicks can work just fine. __________________ 683hp so vp 44 with compounds and transmission by Jefferson State. Runs 11.91 daily driver.

12-11-2009, 10:09 PM	#284
01quadcab Name: 01quadcab Title: Just a slow VP truck Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Redding Member`s Gallery Posts: 315	m&h makes some good ones __________________ 683hp so vp 44 with compounds and transmission by Jefferson State. Runs 11.91 daily driver.

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NHRDA Name: NHRDA Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Feb 2008 Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,108	__________________ Event Schedule Race Classes Join the NHRDA

12-13-2009, 12:46 PM	#291
Dockboy Name: Dockboy Title: Comps BFF Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Member`s Gallery Posts: 3,341	Well............................ I guess I'm out of Super Street even though I weigh 7500 lbs. "Fuel Tank must be in stock location. (Fuel Cells prohibited)" I have no desire to race ET Bracket and can't compete in Pro Street. Not looking good for me. And to think, I had plans to move my batteries to the bed this winter also __________________ Greg Last edited by Dockboy; 12-13-2009 at 12:58 PM.

12-13-2009, 01:05 PM	#292
syrupdawg Name: syrupdawg Title: GA Diesel Mafia Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Cairo, GA Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,792	well im glad i held off on doing both the fuel cell and moving the batteries last week. I almost bought the fuel cell and was going to move the batteries when i did the fuel cell. __________________ Motor boatin'

12-14-2009, 11:21 PM	#295
neilden Name: neilden Title: ready to kick some ass Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: San Diego Member`s Gallery Posts: 616	What is the time range for ET or is it just open on both ends?

12-14-2009, 11:25 PM	#296
Twisted Shifter Name: Twisted Shifter Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: TN Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,323	No time limits on ET

12-14-2009, 11:29 PM	#297
neilden Name: neilden Title: ready to kick some ass Status: Not Here Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: San Diego Member`s Gallery Posts: 616	Oooooooo This Is Going To Be Fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

12-15-2009, 11:47 AM	#298
Toolman Name: Toolman Title: Comp Diesel Sponsor Status: Not Here Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Southern Michigan Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,077	It looks like my truck still falls in no mans land too. It doesn't fit in Super Street and I am not going to run with the 20 sec trucks in ET it is just to hard on the converter and trans. Well maybe next year there will be a place for the 11.00 and 12 sec trucks __________________ 04.5 Dodge ,PPE Dual Fueler, Stainless Diesel, Bullseye Power Turbo, Fass Fuel Systems, M & J Tool Converter and shafts, Smarty UDC Tuning , Isspro Gauges, Fluidampr B&B Tooling 269-496-9021 B & B Tooling Intakes and custom machined parts. Member of Drive by Wire Mafia

12-15-2009, 02:12 PM	#299
cranked_dodge Name: cranked_dodge Title: Diesel Pro Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Rimbey, AB Member`s Gallery Posts: 1,103	Wow everyone wanted changes what everyone got was changes and people are still not happy. Your 11.00 - 12.00 second truck can win super street. Show up to races and go rounds, thats what makes you win. __________________ 2009-2010 NHRDA Division 6 SS Champion 2009 West Coast Regional Champion 2012 NHRDA Division 6 Pro Stock Champion Thanks to: CT Racing, Alamo Turbo, DCR and Extreme Engine Development

12-15-2009, 03:18 PM	#300
Twisted Shifter Name: Twisted Shifter Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: TN Member`s Gallery Posts: 2,323	98% of all the trucks that ran in SS for 2009 ran 11.4 to 12.2. With the new rules you are going to have less than 1% running in the 10's or faster. As a driver in ET, part of your job is know the dial of the guy in the other lane. If he has a 5 second start on you, then you need to adjust accordingly.