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09-14-2009, 10:34 AM
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Name: Shambo
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My 2 cents is I think a 11.50/ or 12.0 class is needed. I have a truck to build for that right now, I started when SS was @ 12 sec, now before i could get it built up its obsolete and I want to drive it on the street every day like I do now. A cage would be too dangerous for me. there is too big of a disparity now between Brackets and the other classes.
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09-14-2009, 10:48 AM
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Name: trentnell
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The bottom line guys is we need people to come out for races first , show that the trucks are there and i am shure NHRDA will give us any class we ask for , but to set up another class when they cant fill any class but brackets ........................................... it will never happen . I traveled to every race that was within 800 miles this year racing SS, and plan to extend that a bit next year so i can to make shure i hit a few more . And as Michael said about being able to finish, my truck was running high to mid elleven's and i manadged to place 1st or secound each event simply be being able to not break and or work the tree .
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09-14-2009, 11:53 AM
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Name: Redneck6.0L
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The classes are fine, simple, I like it the way it is. 12.0 class sucks. I won't go to a nadm race bacause of it. How many 11 or 10 second trucks show up at events, not many. We all know guys that know's guys that have them, but only a few show up to race, the rest leave there trucks in the parking lot. A 12.3 truck won super street in medford. Last year I was at a NHRDA event which had six 10sec trucks and 6 low 11sec trucks in superstreet and I won with a 11.8. If you want a 12 index go race brackets cause that's basically what a 12.0 class is. Yes I agree when you have ct performance and maxed out at an event it may seem unfair, I just hope they both break in boise before I have to race them and beat them with a ford . I wish. Its all in fun, at least we have an organization that brings us events all over the country.
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09-14-2009, 12:21 PM
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Name: cranked_dodge
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09-14-2009, 01:30 PM
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Name: Toolman
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I think an 11.8 index class would work great . There are allot of 11 sec trucks out there. And just like the old 12.00 quick diesel class DHRA had most of the trucks were actually capable of running faster. If you put the index at 11.8 they could be true street trucks, they wouldn't need to have a cage or bar. but they could still run a little under the index if necessary and not need the bar. I think if would draw allot of trucks . Where they are still running the quick diesel classes they are drawing more trucks all the time.
The bad thing about the heads up classes is the guy with the most money wins. If you have a bunch of money or sponsers you can build an 9 sec without much problem but they are trailer queens and not really street trucks . And who wants to race in super street class if you have a low 11 sec truck? You can't win all you are doing is going out a breaking your stuff for nothing.
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09-14-2009, 01:49 PM
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Name: triton
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I totally understand where you guys are coming from but, at most every race, the biggest field is the ET class with 12 index being the next biggest. Theres more of a challenge when the driver has to do some work too and a index race does just that. Heads up is fun too but, $$$ wins that race more than skill
There aren't enough true 11 second ( DD ) trucks to make a good showing, as Bruce said... most are trailer queens.
We can't expect the organizations to cater to everyone with an opinion so with that in mind, if you want to race.... you build a truck to race the classes offered.
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09-14-2009, 04:04 PM
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Name: trentnell
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Tell me this guys , is it really that hard to build a truck that can race any class ? I know most dont have the coin for SS but ............... when mine is done next year , ( going down for built motor and roll bar ) i think I could race any class offered, just have to turn it down some ( from 10.5-12.8 ) , hell i could still run a bracket class if i felt the need to do so . I just dont understand about " i built the truck for this class ", short of a roll bar i dont see what is so specialized about these trucks and certain classes. unless you are building a 4000 lb pro street truck ? I will race anywere there is a race period , if there is only brackets then i will be running them and having fun long before i am sitting home on my A** .
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09-14-2009, 04:18 PM
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Name: cranked_dodge
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If need be I can drive our "trailer queen" to and from the track it will be a rough boring ride but I can do it. Alot of guys will trailer even their bracket truck to and from events due to the fact that if you break your not screwed.
I have a few friends that have daily driver cars that they run a full cage in them and they will run low tens in them when they go to the track.
Trent I know for a fact that you and I have had to race a few times but because we push our truck hard to go the speed we do you have beat me because of breakage. So I think we should leave it and bring up a "street" class in a meeting but like Trent said we need truck to show up first
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09-14-2009, 04:29 PM
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Name: Twisted Shifter
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Guys, I just want to say Thank You! We encourage input from the racers and we plan to evaluate the classes when the season is over. Please continue to express your views as its the only way we know what you "the racer" want.
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09-14-2009, 04:40 PM
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Name: Devon E
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Yep for a guy wanting to move up from having a hot ET truck to being competitive in super street its a really big chunk of dollars. you would get alot of guys from ET atleast in div 6 moving to if they would rather spend another 5 to 8 grand on there trucks and have a class they can win. Then move to SS and and travel to a race hoping they win cause the fast guys all break. The NHRDA has more classes catering to the big budjet builders then you can shake a stick at why not make a cheaper class to intice people to get into it on a more competative basis.
Please excuse the spelling this is me and alot of tylenol 3s typing here
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09-14-2009, 04:49 PM
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Name: cranked_dodge
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Well like Chris said they will be looking into the classes a little different for next year, so I think thats where the split will come in just as long as they dont make the fast super street guys go into pro street
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09-14-2009, 05:08 PM
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Name: trentnell
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cranked_dodge
Well like Chris said they will be looking into the classes a little different for next year, so I think thats where the split will come in just as long as they dont make the fast super street guys go into pro street
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I dont see how they can , pretty big disadvantage in weight and tires allowed in pro street to have to be competitive . I still dont see how another class would even be able to be added unless alot of people step it up to attend events next year
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09-14-2009, 05:46 PM
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Name: SCHOOL BUS
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im with toolman! 11.8 class works for me!
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09-14-2009, 06:27 PM
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Name: joefarmer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SCHOOL BUS
im with toolman! 11.8 class works for me!
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I'd vote 12.00 instead of 11.80 and remove the runaway SuperStreet class. The cost difference for a VP44 truck adding 50hp from 650 (12.0x) to 700(11.7x) would be prohibitive for most of the trucks out there.
I'd like to see a tire-limited heads-up class, but we're a few years off from that.
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09-14-2009, 11:12 PM
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Name: cranked_dodge
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remove the runaway SuperStreet class and put those that run in it where. You get rid of that class then you have the same problem as now guys with trucks and no class to run in.
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09-14-2009, 11:16 PM
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Name: joefarmer
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Originally Posted by cranked_dodge
remove the runaway SuperStreet class and put those that run in it where. You get rid of that class then you have the same problem as now guys with trucks and no class to run in.
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Hadn't thought that far. I suppose they would run back to the 12.00 class like was originally intended to be. Or cut some more weight off and run pro-street. I'm a fan of index racing- same excitement as heads-up without the extreme cost.
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09-14-2009, 11:40 PM
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Name: IdahoRob
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I'll have a bit more imput on this topic when I give it some thought. Here are a few of my points.
I feel that there needs to be a real street class, I like 12.0 index. Max'd out is street legal(I've driven it around Boise, but not a lot) but is not a "street truck"
I feel that a few of us fast S.S guys have set the bar too high and have limited entries because some felt they could not compete(I hope that doesn't come across as bragging). That needs to change. We need more entering the sport.
My 12 sec daily driver won as much in S.S. and P.S. as Max'd out did this year.
Getting the truck to all the events and finishing will put you close to the top, even with a daily driver. That is until more trucks show up to the races.
Every event I went to this year, I did not see a 9 sec pro street pass. Maybe set the pro street rules closer to the super street and run the light weight race only trucks in the pro stock class? You can then do away with either S.S. or P.S. really no need for both the way it's been this year.
Some of these thoughts seem conflicting, but they are just my thoughts from running the season in the two classes.
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09-14-2009, 11:58 PM
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Name: cranked_dodge
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Good insight on this Rob. I agree with you on it.
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09-15-2009, 12:42 AM
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Name: Devon E
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I guess its true that a 12.0 truck can win super street i did win with a 16 second pass. I think if its an index class fine run what you want you can only go so fast anyway. if its a heads up class then I think the dot slicks should be banned i dont run them on my truck cause i dont run them when i drive it on the street. cops would have a feild day with me if i did.
reason being the ones i looked at stick out to far passed the fender there dot approved in tread depth and width only if there fully coverd. there not approved to carry the weight of the veichle and its load. I got a ticket for having d rated tires on my 3/4 ton wonder what they would do with street slicks that stuck out 8 inches passed the fender. my seat and seat belts are not dot approved my stacks are less then seven feet off the ground i run a compressed gas cyl with no placard stating i do. so really in canada anyway my truck isnt street legal anymore and should be in pro street.
I really dont plan on runnin the new street class if it comes around or pro street my truck is for sale and im building a different diesel powerd vehicle im just stating some points i heard brought up at races by guys and some of my own
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09-15-2009, 06:02 AM
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Name: Pitz
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I hope another index class isn't the answer. I like the heads up racing feel more than the brackets. There's got to be some way to make the class more of a super STREET class without ruining it for everyone.
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