Silver Bullet vs HTT 66/16 vs Turbonetics - Competition Diesel.Com

sleepin-sport · 01-27-2008, 07:04 PM

I'm basically looking for the ultimate single. Would like for the turbo to support 600hp on #2 only and also able to squeeze 700hp with some giggle gas. I like the Silver Bullet but have heard of several blown chargers. My truck is a daily driver and turbo lag doesn't bother me. Is there any ball bearing turbos from Turbonetics or Garrett that will perform similar to the SB and can also be daily driven?
Thanks

02, HRVP, mach 6, Fass 150

97' CTD · 01-27-2008, 07:09 PM

I ran the SB for awhile loved it! If I was going back to a 66 I am going to look into Turbonetics. I know Tom and Garrett run their locomotive singles and have yet to here them complain?
Brandon

*Slowpoke* · 01-27-2008, 07:18 PM

I've got a HT 64/14 @ 620 on a dialy driver/worktruck. Lag isn't bad at all, however with my torque converter it is a little much for towing. Had it on the truck for over two years with no troubles.

Mo Smoke · 01-28-2008, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Slowpoke

I've got a HT 64/14 @ 620 on a dialy driver/worktruck. Lag isn't bad at all, however with my torque converter it is a little much for towing. Had it on the truck for over two years with no troubles.

Slowpoke,
What are you running for injectors and timing ? I have a set of believed to be Garmons' 370's and am at 18* but will probably dyno at around 25-30.

Jim Fulmer · 01-28-2008, 05:42 AM

I've got a T-66 P trim with a .81 A/R housing that should be for sale in the near future.

Jim

sleepin-sport · 01-28-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Fulmer

I've got a T-66 P trim with a .81 A/R housing that should be for sale in the near future.

Jim

Are you still running the Silver Bullet in your signature. Just curious as to why you would sell the T-66 and still run the SB....?

Jim Fulmer · 01-28-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepin-sport

Are you still running the Silver Bullet in your signature. Just curious as to why you would sell the T-66 and still run the SB....?

Yes I still run the bullet and will continue to do so but it may get a big turbo added to the bottom.

The T-66, T-88 and T-106 along with a liquid to air intercooler and a 13mm pump are all parts I have that I'm going to be selling one at a time.

First is the 88, it's at the turbo shop as we speak for a complete check-up, once it sells I'll go to another part as I'm not going to put huge amounts of money into parts and hope they all sell.

Jim

extreme_cummins · 01-28-2008, 08:47 PM

Buck88 · 02-17-2008, 01:20 PM

Yeah I'm kinda curious why you dont see a lot of turbonetics chargers on Cummins, and Garretts for that matter. Is the s300 frame just a better all around base charger?

joefarmer · 02-17-2008, 03:56 PM

I don't know about Turbonetics, but every Garrett that I've touched has melted the turbine wheel. I don't think they were designed for the continuous heat and exhaust flow our engines put out.

zstroken · 02-17-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by joefarmer

I don't know about Turbonetics, but every Garrett that I've touched has melted the turbine wheel. I don't think they were designed for the continuous heat and exhaust flow our engines put out.

Interesting, cause I have heard of someone else melting the turbine wheel.
I have seen 1800-1900 on my egt and all of the borgs I have taken off have looked great.

joefarmer · 02-17-2008, 06:13 PM

With the exception of snapping one shaft and destroying the fins, BorgWarner turbines that I've dealt with have all looked great.

sleepin-sport · 02-17-2008, 07:19 PM

I'm thinking of going with a SB for now and when the time comes for

I'll be in the market for an external wastegate. Which size would be best for a dual stage kit? 38mm.....? Or how about a 50mm blow off valve? would this work just as effectively as a external wastegate? I'm just trying to save the SB while it's under the squeeze

zstroken · 02-17-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepin-sport

I'm thinking of going with a SB for now and when the time comes for

I'll be in the market for an external wastegate. Which size would be best for a dual stage kit? 38mm.....? Or how about a 50mm blow off valve? would this work just as effectively as a external wastegate? I'm just trying to save the SB while it's under the squeeze

I think the SB will work fine with nitrous check with some of the guys on here. I do have a SB for sale for a second gen.

sleepin-sport · 02-17-2008, 08:37 PM

I've heard from other guys on here that they have blown on the giggle gas (700+hp dyno runs). How much do you want for the SB? I'm kind of weary of buying a used one incase it breaks and have no warrantee.

Ramtd02 · 02-17-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepin-sport

I'm thinking of going with a SB for now and when the time comes for

I'll be in the market for an external wastegate. Which size would be best for a dual stage kit? 38mm.....? Or how about a 50mm blow off valve? would this work just as effectively as a external wastegate? I'm just trying to save the SB while it's under the squeeze

The wastegate is a much better idea. The blow-off valve will only limit boost pressures seen in the manifold, not the speed of the turbine.....so the wastegate is what i would go with!!

zstroken · 02-17-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramtd02

The wastegate is a much better idea. The blow-off valve will only limit boost pressures seen in the manifold, not the speed of the turbine.....so the wastegate is what i would go with!!

The idea behind the blowoff valve is if you have something in the intake after the turbo that can block airflow. It lets the boost dump when the butterfly is shut.

There have been several guys hit 800 with this charger.

Charger for sale here.

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/for...ad.php?t=22498

Reb.B · 02-20-2008, 08:52 AM

i did 1289.3 HP on my single and it was a daily dragster, oh i meen daily driver. It was a Turbnetics. They have the best warrenty. It wasn't a perfect fit, but after some mods it looked stock. Also it takes time figuring out the correct size. As for the best bolt in turbo, minus the warrenty, the ATS 5000 (k31) was real nice. ATS had there wheels CNC'd and it spooled real well. I,m really looking forward to trying the NEW WASTEGATED 71 that Industrial has. This looks to be one of the best bolt units out, in my opinion.

sleepin-sport · 02-20-2008, 09:56 AM

Thanks for the opinions guys but I ordered a gray bullet 66 from industrial yesterday. I spoke with Brady and they had some kind of turbo special going on and he got me a pretty good deal.

joefarmer · 02-20-2008, 05:47 PM

Nitrous VOIDS your warranty on all except Turbonetics units. I wish someone would have told me that before I bought the turbo with the warranty.

01-27-2008, 07:04 PM	#1
sleepin-sport Name: sleepin-sport Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2007 Member`s Gallery Posts: 513	Silver Bullet vs HTT 66/16 vs Turbonetics I'm basically looking for the ultimate single. Would like for the turbo to support 600hp on #2 only and also able to squeeze 700hp with some giggle gas. I like the Silver Bullet but have heard of several blown chargers. My truck is a daily driver and turbo lag doesn't bother me. Is there any ball bearing turbos from Turbonetics or Garrett that will perform similar to the SB and can also be daily driven? Thanks 02, HRVP, mach 6, Fass 150

01-27-2008, 07:18 PM	#3
Slowpoke Name: Slowpoke Title: Properly Valved Status: Not Here Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Second Childhood Member`s Gallery Posts: 772	I've got a HT 64/14 @ 620 on a dialy driver/worktruck. Lag isn't bad at all, however with my torque converter it is a little much for towing. Had it on the truck for over two years with no troubles. __________________ GEORGIA DIESEL MAFIA HITMAN

01-28-2008, 05:42 AM	#5
Jim Fulmer Name: Jim Fulmer Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2006 Location: Quanah Tx. Member`s Gallery Posts: 5,013	I've got a T-66 P trim with a .81 A/R housing that should be for sale in the near future. Jim __________________ 01' 12V, S/B, Q/C, 4WD 98' 12V, S/B, Q/C, 2WD

01-28-2008, 08:47 PM	#8
extreme_cummins Name: extreme_cummins Title: Diesel Enthusiast Status: Not Here Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wauchula, Florida Member`s Gallery Posts: 127	Turbonetics __________________ 2004 305hp 555tq. 5.9 CUMMINS work in progress

02-17-2008, 01:20 PM	#9
Buck88 Name: Buck88 Title: Simple Man Status: Not Here Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Temecula, S. MEXIfornia Member`s Gallery Posts: 233	Yeah I'm kinda curious why you dont see a lot of turbonetics chargers on Cummins, and Garretts for that matter. Is the s300 frame just a better all around base charger? __________________ 1998 Dodge Ram 2500 Quad Cab LB, 4x4, 12V, Suncoast Billet, Goerends TC, #100 plate, 3k GSK, PDR 370's, PDR HX40, FASS 150/180 @45psi, 5" straight pipe, Autometer boost/pyro/trans.

01-27-2008, 07:09 PM	#2
97' CTD Name: 97' CTD Title: FeFiFo-FoFeFeFi Status: Not Here Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SW Central, OH Member`s Gallery Posts: 4,301	I ran the SB for awhile loved it! If I was going back to a 66 I am going to look into Turbonetics. I know Tom and Garrett run their locomotive singles and have yet to here them complain? Brandon __________________ 1986 Fummins on 40's

02-17-2008, 03:56 PM	#10
joefarmer Name: joefarmer Title: MR. Supreme Overlord Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,137	I don't know about Turbonetics, but every Garrett that I've touched has melted the turbine wheel. I don't think they were designed for the continuous heat and exhaust flow our engines put out. __________________ brandon'); DROP TABLE Users;-- 1948 Dodge 1.5t 12v RH swap \| 99 F250 12v RE test rkt \| 11 X5 'no soup' \| 08 F250 CR RE swap \| 05 2500 CR 68 standalone firepunk.com

02-17-2008, 06:13 PM	#12
joefarmer Name: joefarmer Title: MR. Supreme Overlord Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,137	With the exception of snapping one shaft and destroying the fins, BorgWarner turbines that I've dealt with have all looked great. __________________ brandon'); DROP TABLE Users;-- 1948 Dodge 1.5t 12v RH swap \| 99 F250 12v RE test rkt \| 11 X5 'no soup' \| 08 F250 CR RE swap \| 05 2500 CR 68 standalone firepunk.com

02-17-2008, 07:19 PM	#13
sleepin-sport Name: sleepin-sport Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2007 Member`s Gallery Posts: 513	I'm thinking of going with a SB for now and when the time comes for I'll be in the market for an external wastegate. Which size would be best for a dual stage kit? 38mm.....? Or how about a 50mm blow off valve? would this work just as effectively as a external wastegate? I'm just trying to save the SB while it's under the squeeze Last edited by sleepin-sport; 02-17-2008 at 07:33 PM.

02-17-2008, 08:37 PM	#15
sleepin-sport Name: sleepin-sport Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2007 Member`s Gallery Posts: 513	I've heard from other guys on here that they have blown on the giggle gas (700+hp dyno runs). How much do you want for the SB? I'm kind of weary of buying a used one incase it breaks and have no warrantee.

02-20-2008, 08:52 AM	#18
Reb.B Name: Reb.B Title: horsepower junkie Status: Not Here Join Date: May 2007 Location: Riverdale, CA Member`s Gallery Posts: 116	i did 1289.3 HP on my single and it was a daily dragster, oh i meen daily driver. It was a Turbnetics. They have the best warrenty. It wasn't a perfect fit, but after some mods it looked stock. Also it takes time figuring out the correct size. As for the best bolt in turbo, minus the warrenty, the ATS 5000 (k31) was real nice. ATS had there wheels CNC'd and it spooled real well. I,m really looking forward to trying the NEW WASTEGATED 71 that Industrial has. This looks to be one of the best bolt units out, in my opinion. __________________ Couple dodges with never enough power. F-1, Smarty and Goerend trans Go Brownsdiesel! The Supreme Diesel ARP Master Distributor Goerend, Smarty, Airdog, Formula 1 Dealer Brown's Diesel, Home of the Highest Horsepower CR trucks in the World!

02-20-2008, 09:56 AM	#19
sleepin-sport Name: sleepin-sport Title: Too Much Time Status: Not Here Join Date: Oct 2007 Member`s Gallery Posts: 513	Thanks for the opinions guys but I ordered a gray bullet 66 from industrial yesterday. I spoke with Brady and they had some kind of turbo special going on and he got me a pretty good deal.

02-20-2008, 05:47 PM	#20
joefarmer Name: joefarmer Title: MR. Supreme Overlord Status: Not Here Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: ohio Member`s Gallery Posts: 6,137	Nitrous VOIDS your warranty on all except Turbonetics units. I wish someone would have told me that before I bought the turbo with the warranty. __________________ brandon'); DROP TABLE Users;-- 1948 Dodge 1.5t 12v RH swap \| 99 F250 12v RE test rkt \| 11 X5 'no soup' \| 08 F250 CR RE swap \| 05 2500 CR 68 standalone firepunk.com