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01-18-2011, 10:49 PM
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Name: 5.9 Cummins Fan
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Anyone know if this would be a little easier on the engine than nitrous? water is formed with cleans really well, as i inject water now and it looked brand new when i pulled my head to o ring. So its cleans and gives more oxygen, quite a bit more.would really like to see someone try it lol, i don't like to be the guinea pig
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01-19-2011, 12:01 AM
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Name: RonA
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It chemical formula is H2O2 so just mix it up in your intake manifold. All you have to do is put 4 equal sized jets in your intake. Run liquid hydrogen through 2 jets and liquid oxygen into the other 2.
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01-19-2011, 01:13 AM
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Name: JQmile
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I tried some nitromethane in my engine and...when you actually do it, it seems odd to risk it, just for a few hp, when you can get that with more fuel and air, or nitrous if you need it.
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01-19-2011, 06:25 AM
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Name: jkretzer
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[QUOTE=some 98 cummins;1344205]Thanks! good info! how much you getting it for by the drum?
i believe it is around 300 a barrel, it is the shipping that runs the price up.
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01-19-2011, 08:39 AM
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Name: jkidd_39
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geeze everywhere i go...somebody has to give me crap about that....am i really that bad? i thought my chrome spell checker was working....
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419 @ 90mph at II 8/14/10
Billit = billet.
tripple = triple
if you managed to spell dynamics right without cutting and pasting these other words should be cake.
Good luck.
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01-19-2011, 08:49 AM
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Name: 4x4dually
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geeze everywhere i go...somebody has to give me crap about that....am i really that bad?
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We are just bored. Don't take it personnel.
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01-19-2011, 10:37 AM
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Name: XLR8R
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We are just bored. Don't take it personnel.
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No need to involve HR in this... but it's still a good idea not to take it personally!
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01-19-2011, 11:02 AM
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Name: 4x4dually
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I'm hoping you knew I typed that on purpose. Actually, I had to type it in and spell check it for "HR" because I wanted to make sure I mis-typed it correctly.
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01-19-2011, 11:12 AM
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Name: XLR8R
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Nice save!
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01-19-2011, 11:31 AM
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Only expect the best from Jory!
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01-19-2011, 12:18 PM
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Name: 4x4dually
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I knew I should have added a disclaimer for a correctly mis-spelled word.
I said what I meant...and I meant what I said..and an elephant faithful...100%.
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01-19-2011, 01:49 PM
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Name: some 98 cummins
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Originally Posted by jkidd_39
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Billit = billet.
tripple = triple
if you managed to spell dynamics right without cutting and pasting these other words should be cake.
Good luck.
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Jkidd...DieselAutopower.com jkidd? thanks...see if i buy anything from you now....
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We are just bored. Don't take it personnel.
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ya i dont....i like to have a good time and laugh...mixed with useful info...but now i dont want to post anymore because all that gets looked at is my spelling....i know im not the best speller and i dont really care that much...its all about if i can get my point across.
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98.5 QCLB, 180 p-pump tuned by Goff. Colt stg 2. 3 piece manifold. HTT 35/40. AirDog I with 40psi spring. Diesel Dynamics injectors. Built tranny with tripple disk, billet input, output and basket. 3.55 gears with 35" tires, soon to be 4.11's
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01-19-2011, 01:59 PM
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Name: some 98 cummins
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Originally Posted by jkretzer
i believe it is around 300 a barrel, it is the shipping that runs the price up.
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ya hazmat is a PITA...but 5.50$ a gal is a lot better price...it would take a long time to go through 55 gal.
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Originally Posted by JQmile
I tried some nitromethane in my engine and...when you actually do it, it seems odd to risk it, just for a few hp, when you can get that with more fuel and air, or nitrous if you need it.
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ya i wouldn't want to mess with nitro...nasty stuff. i wouldn't be as worried about H202 because its basically water with a higher oxygen content. i do agree more fuel and enough air to be self contained with no spray of any kind would be the best.
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98.5 QCLB, 180 p-pump tuned by Goff. Colt stg 2. 3 piece manifold. HTT 35/40. AirDog I with 40psi spring. Diesel Dynamics injectors. Built tranny with tripple disk, billet input, output and basket. 3.55 gears with 35" tires, soon to be 4.11's
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01-19-2011, 02:20 PM
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Name: some 98 cummins
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side note i am very surprised to see some of the big names in my rookie thread...
4X4dually, Zstrokin, Rona, Xlr8r, jkretzer, JQmile....thanks guys for the info and laughs! its nice being able to get to know some of yall.
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98.5 QCLB, 180 p-pump tuned by Goff. Colt stg 2. 3 piece manifold. HTT 35/40. AirDog I with 40psi spring. Diesel Dynamics injectors. Built tranny with tripple disk, billet input, output and basket. 3.55 gears with 35" tires, soon to be 4.11's
429 uncorrected @ Gillett
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01-19-2011, 04:06 PM
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Name: some 98 cummins
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Originally Posted by 5.9 Cummins Fan
Anyone know if this would be a little easier on the engine than nitrous? water is formed with cleans really well, as i inject water now and it looked brand new when i pulled my head to o ring. So its cleans and gives more oxygen, quite a bit more.would really like to see someone try it lol, i don't like to be the guinea pig
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since you have O-rings and a water injection setup already i would have to say you would be the perfect guinea pig...just use that same amount of hydrogen peroxide as you would with water and try it. and yes the water steam cleans everything from what i have heard. gets all the carbon off the valves and what not. i would like to see a before and after turbine shot...before water was injected and after xxxx miles using it.
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98.5 QCLB, 180 p-pump tuned by Goff. Colt stg 2. 3 piece manifold. HTT 35/40. AirDog I with 40psi spring. Diesel Dynamics injectors. Built tranny with tripple disk, billet input, output and basket. 3.55 gears with 35" tires, soon to be 4.11's
429 uncorrected @ Gillett
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01-20-2011, 12:30 AM
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Name: 5.9 Cummins Fan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by some 98 cummins
since you have O-rings and a water injection setup already i would have to say you would be the perfect guinea pig...just use that same amount of hydrogen peroxide as you would with water and try it. and yes the water steam cleans everything from what i have heard. gets all the carbon off the valves and what not. i would like to see a before and after turbine shot...before water was injected and after xxxx miles using it.
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Haha, well if I wasn't a full time college student and had some extra money I would try it out. Just afraid of breaking something. I'm not sure what concentration would be good to run, I know high concentrations were used as rocket fuel and it decomposes rapidly creating extreme heat, with would not be good if it started to decompose prior to the injection event. Like in your intake manifold. I got to play with some 50 percent hydrogen peroxide in an alternative fuels class, poured it on a pile of sawdust, and when the peroxide started to decompose it created enough heat to start the sawdust on fire. Would take some trial and error efforts from someone with a completely bulletproof engine.....ok ok I'm done blah blah ing
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01-20-2011, 09:30 AM
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Name: some 98 cummins
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Originally Posted by 5.9 Cummins Fan
Haha, well if I wasn't a full time college student and had some extra money I would try it out. Just afraid of breaking something. I'm not sure what concentration would be good to run, I know high concentrations were used as rocket fuel and it decomposes rapidly creating extreme heat, with would not be good if it started to decompose prior to the injection event. Like in your intake manifold. I got to play with some 50 percent hydrogen peroxide in an alternative fuels class, poured it on a pile of sawdust, and when the peroxide started to decompose it created enough heat to start the sawdust on fire. Would take some trial and error efforts from someone with a completely bulletproof engine.....ok ok I'm done blah blah ing
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you said "when it started to decompose"...meaning it took some time before it was able to ignite the sawdust correct? how long did it take to get enough heat to start the sawdust? im talking about spraying it in the intake at WFO maybe start injecting at like 30psi of boost. and the stuff is not going to have nearly enough time to start doing anything funny before its burned. i mean think about it theres a huge amount of flow at a high velocity going through the intake of these motors at wide open so the amount of time the stuff actually has in the intake is very small before its pushed into a cylinder.
was this guy teaching the alt. fuels class?
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98.5 QCLB, 180 p-pump tuned by Goff. Colt stg 2. 3 piece manifold. HTT 35/40. AirDog I with 40psi spring. Diesel Dynamics injectors. Built tranny with tripple disk, billet input, output and basket. 3.55 gears with 35" tires, soon to be 4.11's
429 uncorrected @ Gillett
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01-20-2011, 09:45 AM
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Name: some 98 cummins
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RonA
It chemical formula is H2O2 so just mix it up in your intake manifold. All you have to do is put 4 equal sized jets in your intake. Run liquid hydrogen through 2 jets and liquid oxygen into the other 2.
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i was thinking about this last night at the whole goal is to get more oxygen. hydrogen by itself H2 is a fuel...more like an explosive, and liquid oxygen is explosive, but compressed oxygen isn't. so why not run compressed oxygen through a nitrous system? you would have to regulate the pressure down to 900psi but that might be cheaper than N20...i haven't looked but i cant imagine a big welding bottle of compressed oxy would be very expensive.
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98.5 QCLB, 180 p-pump tuned by Goff. Colt stg 2. 3 piece manifold. HTT 35/40. AirDog I with 40psi spring. Diesel Dynamics injectors. Built tranny with tripple disk, billet input, output and basket. 3.55 gears with 35" tires, soon to be 4.11's
429 uncorrected @ Gillett
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01-20-2011, 10:02 AM
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Name: XLR8R
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was this guy teaching the alt. fuels class?
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More like the alternative needs class...
H202 prob'ly works fine on the short bus.
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01-20-2011, 10:35 AM
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Name: some 98 cummins
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98.5 QCLB, 180 p-pump tuned by Goff. Colt stg 2. 3 piece manifold. HTT 35/40. AirDog I with 40psi spring. Diesel Dynamics injectors. Built tranny with tripple disk, billet input, output and basket. 3.55 gears with 35" tires, soon to be 4.11's
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