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07-19-2018, 11:38 AM
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Name: metchosin joe
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Give me some guidance
I have a 98 12 valve with some deep etching on the block from a blown head gasket that was left too long.
So I picked up a 93 low mile complete motor.
My plan is to swap my ppump, pump gear,lines, timing cover etc.
Over to the 93 and run it. I’ll swap my head studs over as well.
Or I swap my 98 head which has 60# valve springs in it over to the 93 block
I read a lot of conflicting information on injector spray patterns and thread pitch from first to second Gen injectors.
The only real difference I see on the heads is the fuel filter setup.
Forgive my some what newbie questions cumminsforum is no help and you guys know what your talking about
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07-19-2018, 12:00 PM
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Name: Mark Nixon
Title: No Savior among the flesh
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The injector spray pattern is the same, but the line end is 12mm on a VE injector and 14mm on the P-7100.
Also, a '98 used a STORM block, same as a 24 valve, although the '93 block will still work.
Mark.
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07-19-2018, 12:08 PM
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Name: smokinVE
Title: $$+VE=NO HP
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How much do you want for the VE pump you’re taking off to replace with the Pee pump?
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I don't think they let hair sniffer twit much. Or the little gay guy. Only the Indian does.
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07-19-2018, 12:19 PM
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Name: Red Sleeper
Title: Too Much Time
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Originally Posted by smokinVE
How much do you want for the VE pump you’re taking off to replace with the Pee pump?
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Dang it! I’m always late to the party.
OP. I think no matter what you need to have the head surfaced whichever route you choose.
Mark,
Difference only being the main stud size for STORM? I remember your post a while back on this.
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07-19-2018, 12:25 PM
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Name: Mark Nixon
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Hah! I already PMed him an offer on the pump and also mentioned I was interested in all of the lines, timing case and stuff.
As far as block differences, bolt size on the mains is different, a STORM also has extra side reinforcements and 2 more bolt holes for motor mounts.
Mark.
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If you or I did business like the PEOPLE in government do business, we'd be put in jail. Government is coercive.
Anarchy: The state of existence where there are no masters & no slaves. Therefore, Anarchy means the ABSENCE OF SLAVERY, or, in other words, FREEDOM.
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07-19-2018, 12:54 PM
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Name: metchosin joe
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I see the ve is a hot ticket item
I’m just trying to get my truck back on The road
The ve looks complete maybe I need Do some more learning and run it instead
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07-19-2018, 02:48 PM
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Name: Snedge
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Originally Posted by metchosin joe
The ve looks complete maybe I need Do some more learning and run it instead
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You want to stick with the P7100. There, you're done learning.
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07-19-2018, 10:40 PM
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Name: DDually
Title: Still spooling..
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Originally Posted by Snedge
You want to stick with the P7100. There, you're done learning.
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07-20-2018, 12:38 AM
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Name: Tate
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Nixon
Hah! I already PMed him an offer on the pump and also mentioned I was interested in all of the lines, timing case and stuff.
As far as block differences, bolt size on the mains is different, a STORM also has extra side reinforcements and 2 more bolt holes for motor mounts.
Mark.
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Plus the extra oil drain.
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07-20-2018, 05:53 AM
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Name: RacinDuallie
Title: Black Sheep Racing
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Quote:
Originally Posted by smokinVE
How much do you want for the VE pump you’re taking off to replace with the Pee pump?
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Do you have a closet full of VE pumps? Wtf do you do with all of them?
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07-20-2018, 06:26 AM
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Name: jasonc
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Originally Posted by RacinDuallie
Do you have a closet full of VE pumps? Wtf do you do with all of them?
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He keeps them on a display shelf in the living room.
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07-20-2018, 08:20 AM
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Name: RacinDuallie
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonc
He keeps them on a display shelf in the living room.
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07-20-2018, 09:06 AM
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Name: Snedge
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SmokinVE has to represent is screen name. Pretty sure he's fond of the pumps.
From what I know from his postings, he know's them better than most.
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07-20-2018, 09:49 AM
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Name: Justappumped24v
Title: Too Much Time
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Snedge
SmokinVE has to represent is screen name. Pretty sure he's fond of the pumps.
From what I know from his postings, he know's them better than most.
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Must be cool being captain of the short bus
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07-20-2018, 11:38 AM
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Name: jasonc
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Just think how much money the VE guys save on transmissions and rear tires, ha.
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07-20-2018, 11:44 AM
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Name: 79powerwagon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonc
Just think how much money the VE guys save on transmissions and rear tires, ha.
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Not me
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07-20-2018, 02:41 PM
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Name: smokinVE
Title: $$+VE=NO HP
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RacinDuallie
Do you have a closet full of VE pumps? Wtf do you do with all of them?
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I have a shelf dedicated to the mighty VE pump!
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Originally Posted by Justappumped24v
Must be cool being captain of the short bus
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Hey peckerwood, you owe me an ice tea! I spit mine out of my nose reading that!
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Originally Posted by jasonc
He keeps them on a display shelf in the living room.
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I like this idea! Climate controlled for my obsession!
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93D350, VE powered, slow but reliable:-))
Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonc
I don't think they let hair sniffer twit much. Or the little gay guy. Only the Indian does.
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07-20-2018, 03:02 PM
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Name: Mark Nixon
Title: No Savior among the flesh
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RacinDuallie
Do you have a closet full of VE pumps? Wtf do you do with all of them?
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He doesn't get 'em all, bought several off of here over the years.
Even one that "just leaks" from a guy in NM, with a busted off fuel screw and rust inside.
Mark.
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If you or I did business like the PEOPLE in government do business, we'd be put in jail. Government is coercive.
Anarchy: The state of existence where there are no masters & no slaves. Therefore, Anarchy means the ABSENCE OF SLAVERY, or, in other words, FREEDOM.
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07-20-2018, 03:08 PM
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Name: Justappumped24v
Title: Too Much Time
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Quote:
Originally Posted by smokinVE
I have a shelf dedicated to the mighty VE pump!
Hey peckerwood, you owe me an ice tea! I spit mine out of my nose reading that!
I like this idea! Climate controlled for my obsession!
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Glad you found the humor! Pm me your address I’ll send you one
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07-20-2018, 07:10 PM
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Name: RacinDuallie
Title: Black Sheep Racing
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonc
Just think how much money the VE guys save on transmissions and rear tires, ha.
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I don't like the racial tone in your post.
Have broken trans parts and plenty of balded out Duallie tires with a tweaked VE.
Although it's now sitting in a box, just don't say it too loudly or the old sharks will swarm.
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