2015 ppl 2.6 rules

[Smokem]

These rule threads go full retard real quick, never fails.

[JL Builders]

Originally Posted by Smokem

These rule threads go full retard real quick, never fails.

"Never go full retard"

[jones95runner]

Originally Posted by 01PPUMP

So the current 3.0 guys will have to buy new...

Turbo
Injection pump(will need at least 1150-1200cc)
Bigger tips for injectors
Cut tires(probably 2 sets if you are really serious,1 set on truck 1 set in trailer)
New wheels(again 2 sets)
Rockwell in front(Maybe)
With the power the 4.1's will produce the non-decks engines will never live.
That is a LOAD of money that most will not spend. I'm sure there are things I am missing from that list, that is just off the top of my head. Yes I know you don't have to buy all the upgrades to run the class but you WILL if you want to compete. If you can't compete why go and waste time and look like a fool 40+ft back. This would be a class killer IMO.

Agree 100%. Best thing we did for our local org was go backwards to 3x3.6 rule. We have consistently 8 or so trucks with some being built and rumors of more next year. Next year we hope to have 10-12 regulars. By our rules a guy can build a pretty good running truck for 25k. Our local economy doesn't support the 100k+ pullers so we felt that was the right decision for us.

[DISTURBED]

Originally Posted by 01PPUMP

So the current 3.0 guys will have to buy new...

Turbo
Injection pump(will need at least 1150-1200cc)
Bigger tips for injectors
Cut tires(probably 2 sets if you are really serious,1 set on truck 1 set in trailer)
New wheels(again 2 sets)
Rockwell in front(Maybe)
With the power the 4.1's will produce the non-decks engines will never live.
That is a LOAD of money that most will not spend. I'm sure there are things I am missing from that list, that is just off the top of my head. Yes I know you don't have to buy all the upgrades to run the class but you WILL if you want to compete. If you can't compete why go and waste time and look like a fool 40+ft back. This would be a class killer IMO.

I'm fine keeping it 3.0 I just would like the tires. We make enough HP now to turn them.

[gotta12v]

the two options we should explore I believe are

a. leave turbo rules alone and go open driveline 2.6 cut tire 3.0
b. replace 2.6 with open driveline smooth bore 3.0 and replace 3.0 with cut tire smooth 4.1

this would allow the lower level 3.0 guys to drop back. the cost of the current 3.0 isn't just the engine its the fact that's its basically a national level class and the cost to follow the silver series is much greater than the Midwest or western regional circuits.

I believe a lower hp open driveline class could be very successful state level and regionally

[01PPUMP]

Originally Posted by gotta12v

the two options we should explore I believe are

a. leave turbo rules alone and go open driveline 2.6 cut tire 3.0
b. replace 2.6 with open driveline smooth bore 3.0 and replace 3.0 with cut tire smooth 4.1

this would allow the lower level 3.0 guys to drop back. the cost of the current 3.0 isn't just the engine its the fact that's its basically a national level class and the cost to follow the silver series is much greater than the Midwest or western regional circuits.

I believe a lower hp open driveline class could be very successful state level and regionally

These a two VERY good options.

What is the reasoning for the cuts and bigger chargers in 3.0?

[ComnRailPwr]

Originally Posted by gotta12v

the two options we should explore I believe are

a. leave turbo rules alone and go open driveline 2.6 cut tire 3.0
b. replace 2.6 with open driveline smooth bore 3.0 and replace 3.0 with cut tire smooth 4.1

this would allow the lower level 3.0 guys to drop back. the cost of the current 3.0 isn't just the engine its the fact that's its basically a national level class and the cost to follow the silver series is much greater than the Midwest or western regional circuits.

I believe a lower hp open driveline class could be very successful state level and regionally

I agree with this.

[gotta12v]

Originally Posted by 01PPUMP

These a two VERY good options.

What is the reasoning for the cuts and bigger chargers in 3.0?

several I suppose

the class is at a power level they could benefit from the tires
it would give the trucks a different appearance from the 2.6
in the long run the tires may save money because a serious puller now could go through 2 sets of dots a season and they cant be sharpened.

as far as chargers the move to slick face would be to eliminate the grey area issues that you will always fight in a slotted class. size wise I chose smooth 3.0 for 2.6 replacement because that would hold power at current levels.

4.1 for 3.0 replacement because its a common charger already used in limited pro that is available from many turbo vendors. however it would be a roughly 400hp increase. if the goal was to hold power at current level a smooth 3.6 would be closest choice most likley

[bob 99]

Originally Posted by gotta12v

the two options we should explore I believe are

a. leave turbo rules alone and go open driveline 2.6 cut tire 3.0
b. replace 2.6 with open driveline smooth bore 3.0 and replace 3.0 with cut tire smooth 4.1

this would allow the lower level 3.0 guys to drop back. the cost of the current 3.0 isn't just the engine its the fact that's its basically a national level class and the cost to follow the silver series is much greater than the Midwest or western regional circuits.

I believe a lower hp open driveline class could be very successful state level and regionally

This sounds like a great ideal

[gotta12v]

also we would have easily identifiable separation between the classes

2.5 oem driveline bed stacks
2.6? open drive bed stacks
3.0? cut tires oem chassis
superstock

[Smokem]

Originally Posted by gotta12v

a. leave turbo rules alone and go open driveline 2.6 cut tire 3.0
b. replace 2.6 with open driveline smooth bore 3.0 and replace 3.0 with cut tire smooth 4.1

The first option is the only real choice, the second would require everyone to at least buy a new cover/wheel if not an entire turbocharger. If option two were viable, I would suggest 3.0" smoothbore and 3.6" smoothbore.

Originally Posted by gotta12v

2.5 oem driveline bed stacks
2.6? open drive bed stacks
3.0? cut tires oem chassis
superstock

I believe you meant;

2.5" OEM driveline no hoodstack
2.6" open driveline hoodstack
3.0" cut tire OEM chassis
Superstock

[Smokem]

I struggle with the idea of allowing open driveline in 2.6", I can see allowing any rear axle, but at what point is it going to end? Just seems to me that lowering the hitch is a real solution that would cost virtually nothing to most competitors.

[kleann]

Originally Posted by Smokem

I struggle with the idea of allowing open driveline in 2.6", I can see allowing any rear axle, but at what point is it going to end? Just seems to me that lowering the hitch is a real solution that would cost virtually nothing to most competitors.

Thank you! I love the amount of participation/competition in 2.6 right now, not going to have anywhere near the amount of trucks able to afford to switch to open driveline after they've already spend money beefing up their current stuff.

[Sancrest]

They can buy the latest greatest charger for $5000 but not afford a $4500 rear end. Like I stated before you don't have to spend the money to still be competitive. A large rear end adds no HP to the truck. It's an option to the puller.

[Smokem]

Originally Posted by Sancrest

Like I stated before you don't have to spend the money to still be competitive.

Spend money on ring and pinions, or spend money on a different axle, you still spend money. Lowering the hitch could alleviate this for little to no cost, saying you don't have to go to a different rear axle to still be competitive doesn't solve the real issue.

[CGD]

Originally Posted by Smokem

Spend money on ring and pinions, or spend money on a different axle, you still spend money. Lowering the hitch could alleviate this for little to no cost, saying you don't have to go to a different rear axle to still be competitive doesn't solve the real issue.

BINGO!!!

[TheHammer]

we can all sit on here and talk dumb. I do not see much changing in the rules. people are going to be opposed to a lot of ideas involving change. those pushing for change will be upset when no change happens. the sport has great numbers! there are plenty of trucks that are currently being built for the existing rules. the numbers are not going to decline at this time with the current rules! seeing an sqhd or 20-145 under a 2.6 would make me laugh, just would not look right. cut tire in 3.0 would change a lot of things. then track conditions and hook position would come into play even more. with some hooks having in excess of 20 3.0 trucks I don't see cut tire being a good idea. as for guys needing bigger pumps to support a bigger charger/more hp, I would say atleast 33% of the class is already running 14mm pumps. and one truck for sure a 16, maybe 2. with more switching to them or being built utilizing one. either 3000, 7100 or 8600... hitch height change in 2.6 cost effective and will make hooking a tad cheaper. 3.0 rules leave alone or go backwards like mr Scruggs organization yielding it a 1600hp (ish) class again.

[DISTURBED]

The track is going to change regardless and hook position is still going to come into affect as it always has. My main complaint is the price of the dot tires is going through the roof. For instance out here sts tires work well at the hp we are at. My BFG aren't cutting it so I can spend $2500 on a new set of sts and need a new set every year or spend $2500 on a set of cuts and have them for 5 years. There is no need for 2 sets of them if the first set it done right. And from what I heard about guys paying for the nitto's before Scheid is just completely stupid. It always seems these dot tires that work are always on national back order and cost double what they should.

[Badbrad3701]

I think everything should be smooth bore that away turbo guys cant rape us.

[97crewcab]

Originally Posted by Badbrad3701

I think everything should be smooth bore that away turbo guys cant rape us.

You don't think the current 3.0 tractors aren't out paying what ever shop has the best 3.0 smooth bore? A 3.0 smooth bore rule would make every current 2.6 charger worth pennies and these turbo guys you speak of would be happy to sell you their new 3.0. A good rule but a few years late.

Every year this comes up and no one wants to break but they aren't willing to give up hp or traction to keep it from happening.