Turbos for 1300 Hp ?

[Mazak]

Originally Posted by blackmega3500

It'd do good. The v2 cover is a must. This is one of the things that helps the sxe s488.

Have not asked Firepunk yet , but will . When I initially talked to them Larson suggested what Lavon has on his quad cab: 472/87/1.0 T4 paired with a 488/96/1.32 T6 on a steed speed or stainless manifold .

I would like to give Weston a Kudos. He talked to me for over 1 hour answering my questions. This is what customers service is all about !

Thanks for everyone’s input!

[bracker8040]

Originally Posted by jasonc

A smaller S400 secondary is so much more durable, but loose the internal gate. Best case, most cost effective would be a 68mm S400 secondary, with a external gate.
Along with a 88mm S400. And a T4 manifold

And for 1300hp range, I'd just vent the external gate to atmosphere.

I agree that the small S400 is more durable, but he’ll end up with a somewhat laggier setup with an S4 on the manifold.

I don’t like the idea of an external gate vented to atmosphere on a fuel only street truck because you take drive away from the primary and the secondary ends up doing a lot more of the work.

[jasonc]

Originally Posted by bracker8040

I agree that the small S400 is more durable, but he’ll end up with a somewhat laggier setup with an S4 on the manifold.

I don’t like the idea of an external gate vented to atmosphere on a fuel only street truck because you take drive away from the primary and the secondary ends up doing a lot more of the work.

I disagree running "small" turbos to 1300hp.

I used to run an external gate into the hot pipe on my old set. Was constantly changing I blamed on heat soak of the gate spring.
Then just slowed the secondary down. A 800hp street truck that tows, yes plumb back into the hotpipe, an extreme use app, vent that chit out.

[Smokem]

Originally Posted by Mazak

I would like to give Weston a Kudos. He talked to me for over 1 hour answering my questions. This is what customers service is all about !

I enjoyed the conversation Chris, hopefully you find the information I emailed useful in making your decision.

[Mazak]

Was looking for piping and ran across the knuckle sandwich kit .


Knuckle Sandwich 400/400

Anyone have this on their 6.7 ?

Thoughts ?

[zfaylor]

Originally Posted by Mazak

Was looking for piping and ran across the knuckle sandwich kit .


Knuckle Sandwich 400/400

Anyone have this on their 6.7 ?

Thoughts ?

You spent an hour on the phone with Weston to turn around and consider a Stainless Kit?

k.

[RacinDuallie]

Originally Posted by zfaylor

You spent an hour on the phone with Weston to turn around and consider a Stainless Kit?

k.

Time burglar.

[zfaylor]

Originally Posted by RacinDuallie

Time burglar.

No joke. This gives me heartburn.

[Mazak]

Originally Posted by zfaylor

No joke. This gives me heartburn.

I do appreciate Westons help , but there are varying opinions .Secondly, I was told to call him. Everyone has the best turbos . The OP was intended for informational purposes not derogatory and egotistical comments .


Westons suggestion is 366/73 T4 and 488/96 T6

Fire Punk 472/87 T4 and 488/96 T6

Forced Ind. 472/88 T4 and 488/102 T6

Stainless Diesel 472/87or 96 T4 or T6 485/96 T6

If you haven't noticed all the setups are different and Weston is the only one with a S300. Certainly there is one that a best fit my needs.

At the end of the day , best turbos to meet my needs wins.
I am doing it once and doing it right . With around $8k going out of my bank account, due dillegence is necessary from my prospective .



By the way , I don't see your opinion on the subject at hand.
Why not ?

[RonA]

There are many ways to get to where you want. You won't actually know what's best until you try at least 3 to 5 different combinations. Not meaning to rain on your parade, just speaking from experience.

[zfaylor]

Originally Posted by Mazak

I do appreciate Westons help , but there are varying opinions .Secondly, I was told to call him. Everyone has the best turbos . The OP was intended for informational purposes not derogatory and egotistical comments .


Westons suggestion is 366/73 T4 and 488/96 T6

Fire Punk 472/87 T4 and 488/96 T6

Forced Ind. 472/88 T4 and 488/102 T6

Stainless Diesel 472/87or 96 T4 or T6 485/96 T6

If you haven't noticed all the setups are different and Weston is the only one with a S300. Certainly there is one that a best fit my needs.

At the end of the day , best turbos to meet my needs wins.
I am doing it once and doing it right . With around $8k going out of my bank account, due dillegence is necessary from my prospective .



By the way , I don't see your opinion on the subject at hand.
Why not ?

You will not do it once unless you are easily satisfied. I would sure hope you don't spend $8k on two turbochargers regardless of what they are. I would tend to agree with Weston on this subject. One large reason: shaft speed. We see small frame turbochargers live a lot longer life as secondaries due to their ability to take overspeed much better. S400s do not like overspeed. Their larger shaft diameter results in a much higher surface speed at the bearing and the largest number of failures we see out of them is from just that. You will get a differing opinion out of everywhere you call but nobody can guarantee you in writing what will happen because every setup is different and every driver has a different taste. The reason you rarely see my opinion on this stuff is the fact that people are generally window shoppers so unless I am asked directly I do not waste my breath. Not saying you are a window shopper but that is why.

[biggy238]

To be clear, is the 366 Weston is pitching the clipped turbine?

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[Mazak]

Originally Posted by zfaylor

You will not do it once unless you are easily satisfied. I would sure hope you don't spend $8k on two turbochargers regardless of what they are. I would tend to agree with Weston on this subject. One large reason: shaft speed. We see small frame turbochargers live a lot longer life as secondaries due to their ability to take overspeed much better. S400s do not like overspeed. Their larger shaft diameter results in a much higher surface speed at the bearing and the largest number of failures we see out of them is from just that. You will get a differing opinion out of everywhere you call but nobody can guarantee you in writing what will happen because every setup is different and every driver has a different taste. The reason you rarely see my opinion on this stuff is the fact that people are generally window shoppers so unless I am asked directly I do not waste my breath. Not saying you are a window shopper but that is why.

Thanks for your input .
The $8k is the total package from stainless , not just turbos .

I have saw where a GTX4202R/GTX5533R(98mm) may cost $7- $8K for turbos.
If that combo would be the best of both worlds for me (power, responsiveness, longevity) I would buy them . If I can get something similar with BW for 1/3 of the cost or less (that's what I am hearing), that's the route I will go.

I assure you I am not a window shopper.

[Smokem]

Originally Posted by biggy238

To be clear, is the 366 Weston is pitching the clipped turbine?

S366 SX-E with a T4 0.83AR internally waste gated housing since lag was a concern. Certainly a 68-72mm S400 could be substituted on the manifold, seems a bit large for the power goal.

[Mazak]

Originally Posted by Mazak

I do appreciate Westons help , but there are varying opinions .Secondly, I was told to call him. Everyone has the best turbos . The OP was intended for informational purposes not derogatory and egotistical comments .


Westons suggestion is 366/73 T4 and 488/96 T6

Fire Punk 472/87 T4 and 488/96 T6

Forced Ind. 472/88 T4 and 488/102 T6

Stainless Diesel 472/87or 96 T4 or T6 485/96 T6

If you haven't noticed all the setups are different and Weston is the only one with a S300. Certainly there is one that a best fit my needs.

At the end of the day , best turbos to meet my needs wins.
I am doing it once and doing it right . With around $8k going out of my bank account, due dillegence is necessary from my prospective .



By the way , I don't see your opinion on the subject at hand.
Why not ?

The stainless setup is a package that is proven to be able to produce 1400HP range. Thats a plus.

The stainless setup is a complete package and is the only one I can find that sells a quality twin turbo piping kit for the 2012 . Weston recommended slosh Fab but they do not make a kit ,yet. Total package is a plus.

Gut feeling is the stainless 485 will spool better than the 488's others offer. I am pretty sure Weston said a 485 would be great but he only offers a 480 and 488 .

The knuckle sandwich offers a 472/96 on the manifold ,however I see a 468/83 on their site and my gut feeling is, it would have better street manners, but you probably would give up some power potential .

I do see where fleece offers a 468/87 (stainless only offers a 468/83 to my knowledge) sooo I am wondering how about putting the fleece 468/87 on the manifold with the Stainless 485 sxe. Wouldn't this potentially create the best responsiveness?
or Westons 366/73 on the manifold with the stainless 485SXE ??
I really am thinking the 485sxe is the best atmospheric at this point . Change my mind ......

[Mazak]

Originally Posted by blackmega3500

Don't over think this stuff. If you're wanting a good fitting drop in kit just get in touch with Firepunk, wherli, Evil, or HPP.

Stainless does great at marketing, and fitment is great. Beyond that the turbos aren't anything special.

Your power goal is very easy with your setup. The problem here is your on a T3 manifold with a relatively smallish and outdated seconday.

Switching to a T4 manifold and opening that turbine up a bit while keeping the 480 you already have would do wonders.

66sxe T4 with 1.0 exhaust gets my vote.

This may be the best proposition yet !

[zfaylor]

Not really the site to ask this on but I am curious: what do you need more horsepower to achieve on the street? You may find going to a larger setup will feel much slower. We see it a lot where a guy swaps his single S300 frame for an S400 frame and regrets every second of it. A snappy setup is loads more fun on the street than a laggy setup that makes 500 more hp for me.

[RacinDuallie]

Originally Posted by blackmega3500

Don't over think this stuff. If you're wanting a good fitting drop in kit just get in touch with Firepunk, wherli, Evil, or HPP.

Stainless does great at marketing, and fitment is great. Beyond that the turbos aren't anything special.

Your power goal is very easy with your setup. The problem here is your on a T3 manifold with a relatively smallish and outdated seconday.

Switching to a T4 manifold and opening that turbine up a bit while keeping the 480 you already have would do wonders.

66sxe T4 with 1.0 exhaust gets my vote.

he "could" use t3 to t4 adapter and keep current manifold.

[RacinDuallie]

Originally Posted by blackmega3500

True, just looking at the motor running a "stg 3 head" chances are there's some restriction taking place.

He said streetable. Id want to keep velocity numbers up.


Im waiting for his next thread on 1300hp streetable transmissions

[jasonc]

I bet Mazak has a good trans. He doesn't seem scared to spend money.